Is God Moving In Ukraine?

[kaylagrl]

I don't understand what you

I believe that the fall of the USSR 1991 is where we said "peace and security" and this ushered in the most amazing period of peace, security and prosperity. The prosperity we have seen in the last 30 years since 1991 could only have been dreamed of in past generations.

I also believe that 1967 when Israel returned to Jerusalem was a jubilee year making 2017 a Jubilee year as well when we had the amazing Revelation 12 sign in the heavens. It would also be the 120th jubilee in human history.

However, 2020 is when the Lord came and asked why the fig tree didn't have any fruit and threatened to cut it down with the pandemic.

Then it was given one more year to dung it and 2021 in Hebrew was "the dung year".

What did we see happen in Canada with Trudeau freezing bank accounts -- the thief in the night. what just happened in Russia with us cutting them off from the SWIFT system -- the thief in the night, sudden destruction, banks went bankrupt, ruble lost half its value, stock market collapsed.

Think about it the USSR collapsed on Christmas, a holiday where we celebrate Santa (Satan) coming into your house like a thief and exchanging the grace of God for junk from the Mall. This is the apostasy, trading the word of God for the Satanic materialism gospel.

I was talking to JP...

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

The context of these verses is comparing the Lord's return to the ruler of a great house and the butler not knowing the day or the hour of the return. Therefore you should be preparing the house for his return so that when He does come it isn't a mess. Now if the master had gone on a long trip say from UK to America you might not know when he is returning but you should have a good idea. You might know when he is planning to take the boat back, you might know that he will take the train from London and you know when the train's arrive, and when he arrives in London he might call or send a telegram ahead to let you know he is almost there. That is the context of this verse, but there are other examples given as well.

1. The Jewish wedding. The Bridegroom spends two years preparing a place while the bride also spends two years preparing what she needs. Just because they aren't married doesn't mean they don't see each other. The Bride could easily visit Him every weekend to see how the construction is going along and so she would know when the place is prepared. She might not know the day or the hour but if she is watching she would have a very, very good idea of when it would be.

2. A thief in the night. You don't know the day or hour that a thief is going to strike which is why you have to watch.

3. A farmer with a crop he is harvesting. He doesn't know ahead of time the day or hour the crop will be ripe and need to be harvested which is why he must watch.

4. A pregnant woman doesn't know the day or the hour that the baby will be born which is why she must watch.

In every case the context is not "no one knows so why bother" rather it is "no one knows therefore you must be more diligent to watch".

Now consider as the day approaches the pregnant woman is going to know, the farmer is going to know, the bride is going to know. The only people who don't know are shameful and irresponsible.

Brother Z, I really appreciate all of the time that you have put into this. Truly, I really appreciate it. However, my Heart doesn't seem to ascend to truly understanding it. It would seem fair to suggest that those who do feel that they understand, well . . . they must have hundreds of hours of investigation and cataloging of some sort.

Not that I am the Powerful John the Baptist, but I see myself as a Type of him. It seems that the Lord has pressed into me the incredible desire to prepare the way. I see this as meaning that I might be one who is helping to shine the light on what it means to be saved and what is required of it. For, without Holy Salvation, knowing and understanding the Tribulation is useless. Specifically, the Lord has granted me one core level of understanding and it is the Spiritual Circumcision of Christ. I believe wholeheartedly that this is my role; my duty; my responsibility. Our Powerful God has allowed me to experience Him in the most unbelievable of ways, and I have no other choice but to reflect that Power (not personally) and that experience for the rest of my life. I am utterly convinced that this is my role and that I must do my best to express it. Discussing Eschatology is up to you folks who have been given the Heart to do so.

So, I have much respect for you folks who undertake such teaching, for it is not easy . . . if not a burden in some sense.

Respect is given, and thanks again for sharing so much of your time and knowledge.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

The book of Joel tells you that a worldwide pandemic precedes the day of the Lord and is the warning you get that the day of the Lord is here.

In typology the children of Israel enter the good land when the Jordan River stands up and stops flowing. A river typifies the economy. The world's economy stood up and stopped in 2020, something we have never seen before. You don't think there is any significance there be my guest.

How do you equate a river stopping versus economy? The river completely stopped. The economy did not. And they are completely different events.

What proceeds the day of the Lord is the Revelation judgements. We are not in those yet. We are seeing birth pains.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

If you take the type of King David ruling in Hebron (heaven) for seven and a half years then you would say the pre-tribulation rapture will take place six months before the tribulation begins.

Also, if you take the queen of Sheba (7) as a type of the church being raptured to the heavens to see all of the heavenly kings kingdom the tour is for six months. This also may suggest that the rapture of the church (7 lampstands) in Revelation 4 takes place 6 months before the opening of the seals and the start of the tribulation.

Most agree that the Feast of Trumpets will be fulfilled with the start of the tribulation and the covenant by the antichrist with the many.

Six months before that would be March which also is when "winter is over" according to the prophecy in Song of Songs.

BTW as amazing as the sign in the heavens was in 2017 the sign in the heavens March 18 of the planets crossing the river in a line led by the king planet Jupiter and being chased by Saturn depicting Satan and his host is just as amazing.

No I don't not see this in scripture as signs.

 

[JStates]

Soooo you're saying Russia is totally in the right and there isn't one true Christian in Ukraine.

This would be something I call a "seesaw fallacy" - seeing something wrong and responding by jumping to another extreme. This is a war of evil (Luciferian Ukraine gov't) versus evil (corrupt totalitarian Russian gov't). The people of both nations, Europe, and the world are going to suffer for all of this.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

This would be something I call a "seesaw fallacy" - seeing something wrong and responding by jumping to another extreme. This is a war of evil (Luciferian Ukraine gov't) versus evil (corrupt totalitarian Russian gov't). The people of both nations, Europe, and the world are going to suffer for all of this.

For one, I didn't think that you placed a universal stamp on all people in the Ukraine and the country being all-inclusive corrupt and evil. Simply, no one knows where the Remnant of Christ is. After all, the Holy Remnant was contained within Biblical Babylon.

 

[JStates]

So you believe the civilians must die?

Where are you getting your information, friend? There's a propaganda war on!

Over 10,000 civilians in Ukraine were killed by other Ukrainians before the Russians even crossed the border.

Putin is avoiding civilian casualties, but the Ukrainian government has handed out 25,000 automatic weapons to anyone who wants them and they are encouraging civilians to throw themselves against the Russians. But the Russians have avoided cutting power to cities wherever possible, and while they have encircled Kiev on three sides, they left a corridor to the west for civilians to leave if they wish.

The Russians could take Kiev easily, but it's controlled by several different groups and factions and they would have to fight street to street or bombard the city into submission. Either of those leaves a lot of dead civilians, something Putin doesn't want. He intends to govern what he conquers.

The Russians also have some goals in Ukraine besides simply taking the country.

 

[JStates]

For one, I didn't think that you placed a universal stamp on all people in the Ukraine and the country being all-inclusive corrupt and evil. Simply, no one knows where the Remnant of Christ is. After all, the Holy Remnant was contained within Biblical Babylon.

I have heard from multiple sources that there are revivals and awakenings going on in BOTH Russia and Ukraine right now. My thoughts and prayers are with the people of both nations. And with our own, because when we get involved things are going to go very, very badly for us.

As Tucker Carlson recently said, victory against Russia is most certainly NOT guaranteed. Especially not with our current leadership.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Where are you getting your information, friend? There's a propaganda war on!

Over 10,000 civilians in Ukraine were killed by other Ukrainians before the Russians even crossed the border.

Putin is avoiding civilian casualties, but the Ukrainian government has handed out 25,000 automatic weapons to anyone who wants them and they are encouraging civilians to throw themselves against the Russians. But the Russians have avoided cutting power to cities wherever possible, and while they have encircled Kiev on three sides, they left a corridor to the west for civilians to leave if they wish.

The Russians could take Kiev easily, but it's controlled by several different groups and factions and they would have to fight street to street or bombard the city into submission. Either of those leaves a lot of dead civilians, something Putin doesn't want. He intends to govern what he conquers.

The Russians also have some goals in Ukraine besides simply taking the country.

Putin caring about civilians lol. It is true a lot of propaganda.

If anything makes Russia look like the good guy then you are in some conspiracy media.

 

[kaylagrl]

This would be something I call a "seesaw fallacy" - seeing something wrong and responding by jumping to another extreme. This is a war of evil (Luciferian Ukraine gov't) versus evil (corrupt totalitarian Russian gov't). The people of both nations, Europe, and the world are going to suffer for all of this.

Ok so I'll state how I see it, Ukraine is a sovereign country. End of story. Russia has no right to do what it's doing. Simple.

 

[JStates]

So it seems most of your statements are from far right propaganda sites. I could not verify most of your comments. Duckduckgo had nothing on much of these claims. A few from far right conspiracy groups.

Did not find a verified music video

Did not find we fight for a new world order.

Ukraine's Azov Battalion Nazi unit is a militia far right extremist group not the official military but much how America has far right and far left groups as well. KKK, BLM, or Antifa.

Freeing prisoners to fight an invading army sounds okay to me.

Command of Ukraine’s Special Operations Forces warned that it would no longer take Russian artillerymen as prisoner of war in response to their ‘brutal shelling’ of cities. ‘Each and every gun crew… will be slaughtered like pigs,’ a statement on Wednesday evening said.

Ukraine’s State Emergency Service said Wednesday more than 2,000 civilians have died, though it was impossible to verify that claim. There are fears that the number could be higher.

Biblically what is the punishment for killing innocent people?

Russia has been spreading wild claims of American biological warfare labs in Ukraine for several years. Those claims were eagerly boosted by Chinese state media, which mixed them with Beijing’s deranged conspiracy theory about the Wuhan coronavirus originating in a U.S. Army lab in Maryland.

On Thursday, the same day Russian leader Vladimir Putin ordered the attack on Ukraine, Russian propaganda outlets circulated a map purportedly showing dozens of secret American labs across Ukraine, with 11 of them already targeted and destroyed by Russian missiles.

As for Ukraine's killing each other. There are territories that are pro Russia including families like the American Civil War who choose to fight against each other.

Propaganda has been on steroids so you best find legitimate news sources.

George Soros did msg out support for Ukraine and Ukraine has also been a corrupt government.

But we are not just looking at the Ukrainian government. We are looking at the civilians and Europe. Possibly the world if Putin decides not to stop at Ukraine.

Russia by far is the greatest of evil in this and we only pray that the innocent and many Christians/Jews also escape the unnwarranted slaughter.

"zelensky music video" on DuckDuckGo will find the video I'm talking about. The media is gushing over it and calling Zelensky an instant sex symbol.

Here is the Ukrainian MP saying they fight for the New World Order: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ot-fight-ukraine-fight-new-world-order-video/
Also notice what she says about numerous revolutions in Ukraine.

I live in Maryland less than an hour from Fort Detrick. I don't know if COVID originated there but very early in the plandemic, the discoverer of HIV examined it and said it was engineered, exhibiting characteristics of malaria and HIV. More recently, it has been found that a patented gene sequence is in COVID. Whose patent? MODERNA. Keep in mind that Moderna did R&D and never had brought a product to market before their mRNA vaccine for COVID.

What I DO know 100% is that gain of function research on COVID was done in a lab in North Carolina for a while before the project showed promise and was moved to Wuhan. It was under the "bat lady's" supervision BOTH in the US AND in China. This is the US' modus operandii as concerning illegal research; it gets moved overseas to avoid legal complications. Here is an excellent and well sourced overview of US bioweapons:
https://southfront.org/pentagon-bio-weapons/

 

[JStates]

Ok so I'll state how I see it, Ukraine is a sovereign country. End of story. Russia has no right to do what it's doing. Simple.

No argument from me on that one.

But the situation IS going to escalate. What then? Knowing how this ends, I want the US to stay out of it, but unfortunately I don't think that's going to happen.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

What I DO know 100% is that gain of function research on COVID was done in a lab in North Carolina for a while before the project showed promise and was moved to Wuhan.

Oh muh goodness. I hadn't heard this before . . . not even from Fox News. Then again, I only catch YT clips of the show.

 

[JStates]

Unfortunately many young Americans have been taught the communist propaganda and see countries like America as the true evil. If that is in our education system then it is easy to believe the lies of the enemy.

A commentator said something like this recently.

The more humanity removes God and the Bible from societies, the more these conflicts around the world stop representing "good versus evil" and instead are "evil versus evil."

Do you think America are the GOOD GUYS, Roughsoul? The national sin of abortion ALONE makes us the bloodiest nation in world history, BAR NONE. Objectively speaking.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

A commentator said something like this recently.

The more humanity removes God and the Bible from societies, the more these conflicts around the world stop representing "good versus evil" and instead are "evil versus evil."

Do you think America are the GOOD GUYS, Roughsoul? The national sin of abortion ALONE makes us the bloodiest nation in world history, BAR NONE. Objectively speaking.

Though America been be, technically, the land of the free, this does not necessarily equate to "us" as being the "good guys." I certainly don't believe it. To me, and I say this respectfully to those who have suffered much more than myself, this is a wildly corrupt country in how we treat each other. If I could, and if it seemed reasonable, I'd leave and start over. However, I'm too old to do that and don't have the $$ to take care of my elderly years, otherwise, I WOULD leave.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

A commentator said something like this recently.

The more humanity removes God and the Bible from societies, the more these conflicts around the world stop representing "good versus evil" and instead are "evil versus evil."

Do you think America are the GOOD GUYS, Roughsoul? The national sin of abortion ALONE makes us the bloodiest nation in world history, BAR NONE. Objectively speaking.

Objectively none are good. But yes America are part of the “good guys“.

Why? Because as of today democracy still stands. The majority still loves liberty, against abortion, and supports human rights all over the world. Our private sector gives to charities and missionaries all over the world. You do not have that with Russia, China, or North Korea. We still have the ability to promote the good.

 

[JStates]

Objectively none are good. But yes America are part of the “good guys“.

Why? Because as of today democracy still stands. The majority still loves liberty, against abortion, and supports human rights all over the world. Our private sector gives to charities and missionaries all over the world. You do not have that with Russia, China, or North Korea. We still have the ability to promote the good.

Well, even though you and I disagree on some of our information, I can tell your heart is in the right place, brother.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Objectively none are good. But yes America are part of the “good guys“.

Why? Because as of today democracy still stands. The majority still loves liberty, against abortion, and supports human rights all over the world. Our private sector gives to charities and missionaries all over the world. You do not have that with Russia, China, or North Korea. We still have the ability to promote the good.

I hear what you're saying, but my personal experience with the government over the last three years has been horrific. I found out that they do not care about the truth, but instead, are using us like batteries that make their machines operate. My experience, which I shall not disclose here, has been so horrific, I found out that what we think and how we feel absolutely . . . do . . . not . . . matter. They used me as a way for the collective group of "elites" to get paid. The government creates issues that generates personal income/employment. Make no mistake about it . . . we're not as free as we want to believe. And just because we have not undergone such travesties certainly doesn't mean that they aren't happening. My advice? Live squeaky clean. Keep your psychological head down. Keep your mouths shut unless we're willing to pay the price. Mind our own business . . . and did I say to live a squeaky clean life?

Again, I hear what you're saying and generally agree. Things are changing, though.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Well, even though you and I disagree on some of our information, I can tell your heart is in the right place, brother.

Absolutely! I really enjoy both of what you have to say. I admire you both. I feel like you two are capable of actually teaching me things that I don't know. And, you both do it without being jerks.

 

[JStates]

I hear what you're saying, but my personal experience with the government over the last three years has been horrific. I found out that they do not care about the truth, but instead, are using us like batteries that make their machines operate. My experience, which I shall not disclose here, has been so horrific, I found out that what we think and how we feel absolutely . . . do . . . not . . . matter. They used me as a way for the collective group of "elites" to get paid. The government creates issues that generates personal income/employment. Make no mistake about it . . . we're not as free as we want to believe. And just because we have not undergone such travesties certainly doesn't mean that they aren't happening. My advice? Live squeaky clean. Keep your psychological head down. Keep your mouths shut unless we're willing to pay the price. Mind our own business . . . and did I say to live a squeaky clean life?

Again, I hear what you're saying and generally agree. Things are changing, though.

We had a brief reprieve from this constant trend of history: tyranny and totalitarianism.

The right to THINK FREELY is something that most people historically haven't had. Sadly, we're getting back to an era of thought control, propaganda, censorship, and suppression of dissent. Even in the Western "democracies."

And yes, the elites that rule us want most of the masses dead. They have to kill 15 out of every 16 people just to get us back down to their desired world population of 500M. Pandemics, now the impending threat of WWIII. The meat grinder churns to life once more.