Is it possible to determine God’s divine will through casting lots in the present day?

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Can we cast lots to determine God’s will in the present day?

  • Yes, explain

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  • No, explain

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God didn’t say there is only 12 apostles of the Lamb, but rather that the name of the twelve apostles of the lamb will be written there. Once again Nehemiah you get ahead of yourself and wind up with egg on your face on a public forum expecting the worst of people. You are what’s wrong with this place in my honest opinion. No grace, no humility, no patience.

Oh and in my other thread you strongly suggested I’m not even a Christian. You’re a bully, but I won’t be your punching bag.
Now, now. Both you AND @Nehemiah6 have contributed a great deal of valuable input here at CC, and I appreciate both of you taking the time to share your thoughts and reasoning.

Admittedly all of us struggle to interact peaceably sometimes, especially when we feel strongly about something that we've invested time into understanding. God give us more grace in our interactions with other truth seekers.

Rom 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
 

Aaron56

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God didn’t say there is only 12 apostles of the Lamb, but rather that the name of the twelve apostles of the lamb will be written there.
FYI: he's on my Ignore List for a reason.

You bring up a good point that may have credence when the scriptures are examined.

"Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of God’s household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone."


Perhaps the names of certain prophets are written, too? The apostles I know work closely with the prophets.
 
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If we do not know how lots are cast, then we do not know how to do it. So from a practical standpoint, we can say no casting lots to determine the will of God. Case closed, and sticky doctrinal point turned into a non-issue as far as practice is concern..

But then someone who studied this aspect of the ancient world may say..... actually we do know how they were cast, then open up the can of words again.

The Old Testament did not allow divination, soothsaying, etc. I think an example of middle eastern divination might have been reading filaments in a liver to determine some entity's will. Romans interpreted the flight paths of birds. That's later and far away. I remember the word 'auspicious' and how it is related to the word for birds in Latin and their form of divination when I think about that.

The question about lots is a sticky one, I think, because it raises the issue of what exactly constitutes divination? The tarot card throwers are throwing down so many cards. Is that kind of like casting a lot. But the cards are infused with their practices based on.... whatever..... I'm not sure what's on the cards. I think I heard 'death' on some movie. I am guessing the cards have to do with religion/occult type stuff. I would not imagine the set of options are likely to be divinely ordained. What about Christian themed cards that were being used for 'readings' that someone was posting and complaining about? Is the set of option divinely ordained? Did God reveal cards to put in a deck? It's a whole different situation from a lot representing an individual because it has content on it.

I would guess from reading passages that an individual or group had a lot. The lot could indicate which individual or group was responsible or won a prize or was selected, or whatever.

I have wondered if the Urim and Thummin were basically a set of lots that could say 'yes' or 'no' or not response. But Jewish tradition said they glowed. And the responses from inquiring of the LORD in scripture can be extremely complicated. I suppose they could have asked so many questions and gotten responses and it could have been summarized in the text, or maybe complete sentences were communicated somehow. One theory was that the stones in the breastplate lit up to communicate some kind of message.

These are interesting mysteries, but not that practical for application, IMO, unless you confront people really casting lots to determine the will of God, don't feel right about it, and feel like you have to figure this out so you can tell them something about it.
There’s actually enough clues from the scripture to get a pretty good idea of how to cast lots.
Just sorta looking through the Greek and Hebrew for “casting lots” it means to throw stones like a pebble, or maybe bits of wood, or dice.

Proverbs 16:33 says to cast lots into your lap.

Esther 3:7 says they cast Pur, which is casting lots by using broken pieces.

Broken pieces. Okay, so shards of clay pots, bits of wood or rock, maybe glass.
 
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FYI: he's on my Ignore List for a reason.
I have him on my follow list for a reason.

You bring up a good point that may have credence when the scriptures are examined.

"Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of God’s household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone."

Perhaps the names of certain prophets are written, too? The apostles I know work closely with the prophets.

Yes absolutely. Of course this is just figurative language. It's interesting the figurative language used to describe people as part of God's household or temple.

See this for example

Revelation 3:12
12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.