One taken,one left. The rapture.

[FreeGrace2]

These Resurrections (Acts , 1 Cor , I John 3 , Rev ) speak of the entire personhood = Body Soul & Spirit

I don't understand how you count any of these as resurrections. Acts 24:15 says there is A resurrection of the saved and unsaved. That means one for each. Two total.

1 Cor 15:23 clearly tells us WHEN that resurrection of rthe saved will occur: "when He comes". And the verse also clearly tells us who will be resurrected in that singular resurrection: "those who belong to Him". Who would argue that any believer from any previous age would NOT belong to Him? Of course EVERY believer in the Messiah/Christ belongs to Him.

For us who are Saved there is the resurrection from our dead(spirit) when we are Born-Again and then when HE Returns for the Resurrection of the Body into His Glorious Image = 1 John 3:1-3

I disagree with your 'first' resurrection here. We are born again, but NOT resurrected. What verse describes our new birth as a resurrection?

Our first resurrection = John ch3 Ephesians ch2

Regarding saved people, the Bible says there is just one, the FIRST resurrection. Rev 20:5

Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a leader of the Jews. 2He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.”
3Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.a”
4“How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time to be born?”
5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. 7Do not be amazed that I said, ‘Youb must be born again.’ 8The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

I don't see anything about being resurrected here.

And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience. 3All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.
4But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved! 6And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
8For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.a

Ditto here. I do see being born again, or being made alive.

Regarding the believers' resurrection: it involves receiving a glorified body. 1 Cor 15:51-53.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Yes indeed.
Two.
The first one has the first stage.
*Jesus firstfruits ( first stage)
Then;
*The dead in christ at the rapture.
*The martyrs in the gt
Thanks for pointing that out.

1 Cor 15:23 refutes your ideas.

But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Red words refer to the timing of the believers' resurrection. Second Advent.

Blue words refer to who ALL will be resurrected: every believer.

 

[DavidTree]

I don't understand how you count any of these as resurrections. Acts 24:15 says there is A resurrection of the saved and unsaved. That means one for each. Two total.

1 Cor 15:23 clearly tells us WHEN that resurrection of rthe saved will occur: "when He comes". And the verse also clearly tells us who will be resurrected in that singular resurrection: "those who belong to Him". Who would argue that any believer from any previous age would NOT belong to Him? Of course EVERY believer in the Messiah/Christ belongs to Him.


I disagree with your 'first' resurrection here. We are born again, but NOT resurrected. What verse describes our new birth as a resurrection?


Regarding saved people, the Bible says there is just one, the FIRST resurrection. Rev 20:5


I don't see anything about being resurrected here.


Ditto here. I do see being born again, or being made alive.

Regarding the believers' resurrection: it involves receiving a glorified body. 1 Cor 15:51-53.

The Resurrection spoken of in the Acts & Revelation ch20 is FULLY COMPLETED when the body is Resurrected into His Glorious Image.

The Resurrection of the Unjust do not receive a Glorified Body.

BEFORE the Second Coming is His First Coming = Atonement for sin and the NEW BIRTH/BORN AGAIN which indeed is a resurrection of the death that spread from Adam to ALL the world.

Look carefully at Ephesians ch2 = "you who were DEAD in trespasses and sin HE has RAISED UP = resurrection from spiritual death

Therefore the FIRST Resurrection consists of Two Parts which are John ch3 , Eph ch2 , Acts chs 1&2 and Acts ch24 & Rev ch20

Christ the Firstfruits of them(Saved) that sleep(died in Christ).
Christ First Coming = Resurrection of our dead spirits
Christ Second Coming = Resurrection of our bodies into His Glorious Body

 

[DavidTree]

That's funny...

No, it never occurred to me - it was "accidental" for sure.

Gary, nice to see you again in your inspiring posts at least for now until we meet in Heaven unless we somehow cross paths here on earth.

If you are ever near Denville, NJ you are invited over for freshly ground organic whole bean coffee or tea whichever you prefer.

 

[kleronomos]

What you are seeing in Scripture are TWO Resurrections which is TRUE

1st Resurrection is SPIRIT = Born-Again = John ch3 , John 14:1-4 , John ch17 , Ephesians 2:1-10 , Romans 8:1 , Rev 1:5-6 and more

2nd Resurrection is GLORIFIED Bodies = 1 Cor ch15 , 1 Thess 4:13-18 , Romans 8:18-25 , 1 John 3:1-3

Let me show you what I am seeing and I would like you do to this what you do to pre trib
BECAUSE I would like to know if it is truth or not and to be perfectly honest I seem to find truth more through conflict that agreement.

The First resurrection is of the 'spirit' from living soul to quickened spirit of God. (new creature)

The second Resurrection comes not with the change of spirit but with the change of bodies from natural terrestrial corruptible mortal to spiritual celestial, incorruptible, immortal bodies, (raised in glory aka 'glorified bodies') which happens at the transition from death to life WHENEVER THAT TAKES PLACE BE IT TODAY OR THE SECOND TO LAST DAY IT IS BASICALLY INSTANT. On the last day the ALIVE AND REMAIN changed.


1 Corinthians 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
Since OUR WORKS follow us 'that change' in our 'grain' should have already taken place upon death. There are 'no works' we will do in heaven so why wait to give us the body we have already worked for. That would be like paying a ransom for your kid but not getting him back till he was 18. Wait a minute, that isn't right. works in the head not on paper. Anyway should get what worked for when the work is completed. EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN RANK/ORDER.

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.



If that be the case, then I believe there are at least 3 Resurrections
(shouldn't we call going from 'milk to meat/babe to mature/ewe to sheep a resurrection also? How many could there really be?) because I believe the 'dead' UNSAVED resurrect VERY differently THAN THE SAVED DO.

The resurrected 'dead' don't receive their immortality just their incorruption. They must stay dead (kinda like 'let the dead bury the dead', but in spiritual body times) for the 1000 years and only IF their names are found in the book of life at the end of that time, (didn't follow Satan when he is released a short season) do they at that time receive their immortality/glorified/raised in power bodies - are raised in glory. So what does that mean?


Then we have the 'dead' who don't raise at all until JUDGMENT DAY to go into the lake of fire. I don't know, haven't gotten that far yet.



I believe I also read 1 Corinth 15 different now but TILL I HIT CONFLICT I keep going and so far, no conflict.
I can and still do understand this as being about the saved but I also see it as being about the Unsaved and the Saved because I don't think the Saved are so much 'sown in corruption' at death (like the Unsaved) because they have already been MADE ALIVE WITH when the 'spirit' went from living soul to quickened spirit and was made a NEW CREATURE


1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead.

It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.


I think "the 'dead' in Christ rise first (those who didn't make the first resurrection/the nations and remained in the grave till Christ returned are STILL MORTAL/the walking DEAD, living, breathing, and learning as they are being taught by the priests that rule with Christ till Satan is loosed. Those that DON'T FOLLOW Satan are found in THE BOOK OF LIFE receive their immortality INSTEAD OF GOING into the lake of fire. ) because

WATCH those who are alive and remaining change, and go to meet Christ in the air, as the wrath of God comes upon the wicked of the world.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery;

We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, (same yet different)

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,

and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,

Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

SO THERE WILL BE NO 'DEATH' DURING the millennium.

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Chris

AND WE SHALL BE LIKE THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN WHO NEITHER TAKE NOR GIVE IN MARRIAGE


1 Corinthians 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

If we are all to bear the heavenly then the 'dead' must bear the image also, correct? I think I might be looking for correct of something I might not be seeing that I should be or confirmation that there is no conflict so I can move forward.

 

[kleronomos]

I vote for #2. The believers' single resurrection is actually stated in Rev 20:5. The verse even makes reference to the second resurrection,
the resurrection of the unsaved, which is for the purpose of the GWT judgment.

THE WHO ARE 'THE NATIONS' WHO COME TO WORSHIP DURING THE MILLENNIUM?

 

[kleronomos]

I vote for #2. The believers' single resurrection is actually stated in Rev 20:5. The verse even makes reference to the second resurrection,
the resurrection of the unsaved, which is for the purpose of the GWT judgment.

I KNOW YOU DO. I just don't see Scripture without conflict in your belief.

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


Have all the people on the planet today been made alive in Christ? Those who haven't been saved are considered WHAT? DEAD. Spiritually dead.

Matthew 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.

Matthew 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.


the DEAD who rise REMAIN DEAD for the whole 1000 years because CHRIST CAN BE SEEN AND HEARD SO THERE IS NO 'RECEIVING SALVATION THROUGH FAITH OR HOPE'. THE ONLY CHANCE FOR IMMORTALITY COMES AT THE GWTJ SO 'THE SPIRIUTALLY DEAD/THE NATIONS CAN'T COMING TO CHRIST/COMING TO LIFE/BECOMMING IMMORTAL until AFTER SATAN IS LOOSED FOR A SHORT SEASON.

THAT IS WHERE WE DIFFER. I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE THE ONE VERSE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND TO MEAN.....IT JUST DOESN'T ALLOW FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.

 

[DavidTree]

Let me show you what I am seeing and I would like you do to this what you do to pre trib
BECAUSE I would like to know if it is truth or not and to be perfectly honest I seem to find truth more through conflict that agreement.

The First resurrection is of the 'spirit' from living soul to quickened spirit of God. (new creature)

The second Resurrection comes not with the change of spirit but with the change of bodies from natural terrestrial corruptible mortal to spiritual celestial, incorruptible, immortal bodies, (raised in glory aka 'glorified bodies') which happens at the transition from death to life WHENEVER THAT TAKES PLACE BE IT TODAY OR THE SECOND TO LAST DAY IT IS BASICALLY INSTANT. On the last day the ALIVE AND REMAIN changed.


1 Corinthians 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
Since OUR WORKS follow us 'that change' in our 'grain' should have already taken place upon death. There are 'no works' we will do in heaven so why wait to give us the body we have already worked for. That would be like paying a ransom for your kid but not getting him back till he was 18. Wait a minute, that isn't right. works in the head not on paper. Anyway should get what worked for when the work is completed. EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN RANK/ORDER.

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.



If that be the case, then I believe there are at least 3 Resurrections
(shouldn't we call going from 'milk to meat/babe to mature/ewe to sheep a resurrection also? How many could there really be?) because I believe the 'dead' UNSAVED resurrect VERY differently THAN THE SAVED DO.

The resurrected 'dead' don't receive their immortality just their incorruption. They must stay dead (kinda like 'let the dead bury the dead', but in spiritual body times) for the 1000 years and only IF their names are found in the book of life at the end of that time, (didn't follow Satan when he is released a short season) do they at that time receive their immortality/glorified/raised in power bodies - are raised in glory. So what does that mean?


Then we have the 'dead' who don't raise at all until JUDGMENT DAY to go into the lake of fire. I don't know, haven't gotten that far yet.



I believe I also read 1 Corinth 15 different now but TILL I HIT CONFLICT I keep going and so far, no conflict.
I can and still do understand this as being about the saved but I also see it as being about the Unsaved and the Saved because I don't think the Saved are so much 'sown in corruption' at death (like the Unsaved) because they have already been MADE ALIVE WITH when the 'spirit' went from living soul to quickened spirit and was made a NEW CREATURE


1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead.

It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.


I think "the 'dead' in Christ rise first (those who didn't make the first resurrection/the nations and remained in the grave till Christ returned are STILL MORTAL/the walking DEAD, living, breathing, and learning as they are being taught by the priests that rule with Christ till Satan is loosed. Those that DON'T FOLLOW Satan are found in THE BOOK OF LIFE receive their immortality INSTEAD OF GOING into the lake of fire. ) because

WATCH those who are alive and remaining change, and go to meet Christ in the air, as the wrath of God comes upon the wicked of the world.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery;

We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, (same yet different)

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,

and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,

Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

SO THERE WILL BE NO 'DEATH' DURING the millennium.

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Chris

AND WE SHALL BE LIKE THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN WHO NEITHER TAKE NOR GIVE IN MARRIAGE


1 Corinthians 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

If we are all to bear the heavenly then the 'dead' must bear the image also, correct? I think I might be looking for correct of something I might not be seeing that I should be or confirmation that there is no conflict so I can move forward.

IMHO - when seeking Truth from Scripture I avoid overload by addressing one aspect at a time, identifying and isolating the 'Truth/Revelation/Question' and then submitting to exactly what is written on that singular Truth.

All Truth is connected and builds upon Itself, thus leading to Revelation from Genesis.

Uncertainty sets in when 'adding to or taking away' from what is written.

AGREE = Conflict forces us (if willing/humble) to confront error(ours & others) back to Scripture for submission(if willing/humble) unto the Word & Spirit.

My request to you = isolate a single aspect of the Truth you are seeking or break it down in this format:
A.) If this then what
B.) ditto
C.) ditto

 

[kleronomos]

IMHO - when seeking Truth from Scripture I avoid overload by addressing one aspect at a time, identifying and isolating the 'Truth/Revelation/Question' and then submitting to exactly what is written on that singular Truth.

All Truth is connected and builds upon Itself, thus leading to Revelation from Genesis.

Uncertainty sets in when 'adding to or taking away' from what is written.

AGREE = Conflict forces us (if willing/humble) to confront error(ours & others) back to Scripture for submission(if willing/humble) unto the Word & Spirit.

My request to you = isolate a single aspect of the Truth you are seeking or break it down in this format:
A.) If this then what
B.) ditto
C.) ditto

I'll give it a try. See you in a few days...

 

[DavidTree]

I'll give it a try. See you in a few days...

Thank you for all the insight and sharing and confidence in His Word in which I, and others, have been blessed and encouraged thereby.

 

[FreeGrace2]

The Resurrection spoken of in the Acts & Revelation ch20 is FULLY COMPLETED when the body is Resurrected into His Glorious Image.

The Bible speaks of only a single resurrection of the saved. Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14, Acts 24:15, 1 Cor 15:23.

The Resurrection of the Unjust do not receive a Glorified Body.

Correct. I suspect the reason the lake of fire is also called "the second death" (Rev 20:6,14) is because the unsaved are "raised to life" in their physical bodies, only to die a second time physically. Of course, their souls will be "tormented day and night, for ever and ever".

BEFORE the Second Coming is His First Coming = Atonement for sin and the NEW BIRTH/BORN AGAIN which indeed is a resurrection of the death that spread from Adam to ALL the world.

I don't understand "resurrection of the death that spread from Adam to everyone". Death spread to everyone, yes, but where does the Bible describe that as a resurrection??

[UOTE]Look carefully at Ephesians ch2 = "you who were DEAD in trespasses and sin HE has RAISED UP = resurrection from spiritual death[/QUOTE]
Well, your translation says that. Here's some others:
New International Version
made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

New Living Translation
that even though we were dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead. (It is only by God’s grace that you have been saved!)

English Standard Version
even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—

Berean Study Bible
made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved!

Berean Literal Bible
made us alive with Christ even we being dead in trespasses--by grace you are saved--

Basically, Paul was telling the Ephesian believers that they have been born again (made alive with Christ). There is nothing about being resurrected. The Bible never uses that term in the way you are.

Therefore the FIRST Resurrection consists of Two Parts which are John ch3 , Eph ch2 , Acts chs 1&2 and Acts ch24 & Rev ch20

Christ the Firstfruits of them(Saved) that sleep(died in Christ).
Christ First Coming = Resurrection of our dead spirits
Christ Second Coming = Resurrection of our bodies into His Glorious Body

I don't see Christ's first advent as a resurrection at all. And neither does the Bible.

1 Cor 15 is THE chapter on our resurrection.

v.23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

This is an excellent summary verse on the resurrection of the saved. Christ is called "first fruits" because He was the FIRST human to receive a glorified body, per Acts 26:23 - that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.”

Following His resurrection, what will follow is the resurrection of ALL believers (those who belong to Him). And all of them receive glorified bodies.

And the verse also tells us WHEN this will occur: when He comes. That is the Second Advent.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
I vote for #2. The believers' single resurrection is actually stated in Rev 20:5. The verse even makes reference to the second resurrection,
the resurrection of the unsaved, which is for the purpose of the GWT judgment.

THE WHO ARE 'THE NATIONS' WHO COME TO WORSHIP DURING THE MILLENNIUM?

May I see the text where this is said?

 

[FreeGrace2]

I KNOW YOU DO. I just don't see Scripture without conflict in your belief.

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The "rest of the dead" refers to all the unbelievers, who will be raised to physical life for the GWT judgment at the end of the Millennium.

Have all the people on the planet today been made alive in Christ? Those who haven't been saved are considered WHAT? DEAD. Spiritually dead.

Matthew 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Matthew 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.


the DEAD who rise REMAIN DEAD for the whole 1000 years because CHRIST CAN BE SEEN AND HEARD SO THERE IS NO 'RECEIVING SALVATION THROUGH FAITH OR HOPE'. THE ONLY CHANCE FOR IMMORTALITY COMES AT THE GWTJ SO 'THE SPIRIUTALLY DEAD/THE NATIONS CAN'T COMING TO CHRIST/COMING TO LIFE/BECOMMING IMMORTAL until AFTER SATAN IS LOOSED FOR A SHORT SEASON.

THAT IS WHERE WE DIFFER. I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE THE ONE VERSE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND TO MEAN.....IT JUST DOESN'T ALLOW FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.

What is that "one verse" that I have. And what doesn't it allow for specifically? Thanks.

 

[DavidTree]

The Bible speaks of only a single resurrection of the saved. Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14, Acts 24:15, 1 Cor 15:23.


Correct. I suspect the reason the lake of fire is also called "the second death" (Rev 20:6,14) is because the unsaved are "raised to life" in their physical bodies, only to die a second time physically. Of course, their souls will be "tormented day and night, for ever and ever".


I don't understand "resurrection of the death that spread from Adam to everyone". Death spread to everyone, yes, but where does the Bible describe that as a resurrection??

[UOTE]Look carefully at Ephesians ch2 = "you who were DEAD in trespasses and sin HE has RAISED UP = resurrection from spiritual death

Well, your translation says that. Here's some others:
New International Version
made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

New Living Translation
that even though we were dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead. (It is only by God’s grace that you have been saved!)

English Standard Version
even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—

Berean Study Bible
made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved!

Berean Literal Bible
made us alive with Christ even we being dead in trespasses--by grace you are saved--

Basically, Paul was telling the Ephesian believers that they have been born again (made alive with Christ). There is nothing about being resurrected. The Bible never uses that term in the way you are.


I don't see Christ's first advent as a resurrection at all. And neither does the Bible.

1 Cor 15 is THE chapter on our resurrection.

v.23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

This is an excellent summary verse on the resurrection of the saved. Christ is called "first fruits" because He was the FIRST human to receive a glorified body, per Acts 26:23 - that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.”

Following His resurrection, what will follow is the resurrection of ALL believers (those who belong to Him). And all of them receive glorified bodies.

And the verse also tells us WHEN this will occur: when He comes. That is the Second Advent.[/QUOTE]

Your Valid Question:
"I don't understand "resurrection of the death that spread from Adam to everyone". Death spread to everyone, yes, but where does the Bible describe that as a resurrection??"

Scripture: Genesis ch3 , Romans 5:12 , John 3:1-21 , John 11:25 , Ephesians 2:1-10 , Col 2:11-15 and more

 

[FreeGrace2]

Your Valid Question:
"I don't understand "resurrection of the death that spread from Adam to everyone". Death spread to everyone, yes, but where does the Bible describe that as a resurrection??"

Scripture: Genesis ch3 , Romans 5:12 , John 3:1-21 , John 11:25 , Ephesians 2:1-10 , Col 2:11-15 and more

None of these citations use "resurrection" to describe being born again.

Instead of throwing out some citatations, and adding "and more" could you please pick out the BEST and most clear verse that shows being born again described as a resurrection? That would be your evidence.

 

[DavidTree]

None of these citations use "resurrection" to describe being born again.

Instead of throwing out some citatations, and adding "and more" could you please pick out the BEST and most clear verse that shows being born again described as a resurrection? That would be your evidence.

They absolutely do - "you were DEAD in sin and Christ raised you up from DEATH = 100% CLEAR Resurrection

Remember that God does not have to satisfy our unbelief or demands that HE spell it out the way we want or need to understand.

This was/is the constant stumbling block to religious minded, has to be a certain way, type mind set that we all struggle with.

Avoid that at all costs and follow the simple path that HE set forth for us = Matt 18:1-3

At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”
2Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, 3and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.

 

[DavidTree]

res·ur·rec·tion
(rĕz′ə-rĕk′shən)
n.
1.
a. The act of restoring a dead person, for example, to life.
b. The condition of having been restored to life.
2. Resurrection Christianity
a. The return of Jesus to life on the third day after the Crucifixion.
b. The restoration of the dead to life at the Last Judgment.
3. The act of bringing back to practice, notice, use, or vibrancy; revival: the resurrection of an old custom; the resurrection of a decrepit neighborhood.
[Middle English, from Old French, from Late Latin resurrēctiō, resurrēctiōn-, from Latin resurrēctus, past participle of resurgere, to rise again; see resurge.]

 

[FreeGrace2]

They absolutely do - "you were DEAD in sin and Christ raised you up from DEATH = 100% CLEAR Resurrection

We need to clear up something about 'resurrection'. There are 2 kinds. One kind results in a glorified body. The other does NOT.

Examples of NOT:

1 Kings 17:21-22
Then he stretched himself upon the child three times and cried to the LORD, “O LORD my God, let this child's life come into him again.” And the LORD listened to the voice of Elijah. And the life of the child came into him again, and he revived.

2 Kings 13:20-21
So Elisha died, and they buried him. Now bands of Moabites used to invade the land in the spring of the year. And as a man was being buried, behold, a marauding band was seen and the man was thrown into the grave of Elisha, and as soon as the man touched the bones of Elisha, he revived and stood on his feet.

Jesus raised a widow's son - Luke 7:14,15
Then he went up and touched the bier they were carrying him on, and the bearers stood still. He said, “Young man, I say to you, get up!” The dead man sat up and began to talk, and Jesus gave him back to his mother.

Matt 27:51,52
and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

Now, it should be clear that NONE of these examples received a glorified body when they were "raised from the dead".

We know that Jesus is described as "firstfruits" in 1 Cor 15:23 because He was the first to receive a glorified body.

Acts 26:23 - that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.”

How can this be said about Jesus given all the OT examples? None of the OT examples received a glorified body.

And 1 Cor 15:23 says very clearly that "when He comes" ALL believers will be resurrected (those who belong to Him).

Remember that God does not have to satisfy our unbelief or demands that HE spell it out the way we want or need to understand.

I don't demand anything. I simply believe what is so clear in the Bible. It's when people don't discern between the 2 kinds of 'resurrection' that problems arise in understanding what the Bible means.

 

[FreeGrace2]

res·ur·rec·tion
(rĕz′ə-rĕk′shən)
n.
1.
a. The act of restoring a dead person, for example, to life.
b. The condition of having been restored to life.
2. Resurrection Christianity
a. The return of Jesus to life on the third day after the Crucifixion.
b. The restoration of the dead to life at the Last Judgment.
3. The act of bringing back to practice, notice, use, or vibrancy; revival: the resurrection of an old custom; the resurrection of a decrepit neighborhood.
[Middle English, from Old French, from Late Latin resurrēctiō, resurrēctiōn-, from Latin resurrēctus, past participle of resurgere, to rise again; see resurge.]

There are still 2 kinds of resurrection. In one kind, the person raised from the dead is given a glorified body. Jesus is the first and all believers will get their glorified body "when He comes" at the Second Advent.

The second kind does NOT involve a glorified body, as my examples from the OT show.

Also, there is a reason the lake of fire is called the "second death". It is because all unbelievers will be resurrected (minus glorified body) to appear at the GWT judgment. Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

So, it will be their physical bodies, raised again to life, that will DIE physically again. Their bodies will die twice, and their soul will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev 20.

 

[DavidTree]

There are still 2 kinds of resurrection. In one kind, the person raised from the dead is given a glorified body. Jesus is the first and all believers will get their glorified body "when He comes" at the Second Advent.

The second kind does NOT involve a glorified body, as my examples from the OT show.

Also, there is a reason the lake of fire is called the "second death". It is because all unbelievers will be resurrected (minus glorified body) to appear at the GWT judgment. Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

So, it will be their physical bodies, raised again to life, that will DIE physically again. Their bodies will die twice, and their soul will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev 20.

Both of these resurrections are Final and include the entire makeup of the person = Body, Soul & Spirit

One for the Just and one for the unjust.