What do you recommend as a response to invasion of Ukraine
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We can debate if the US is doing enough or not enough... but what can't be debated is that we are doing virtually more than any other country (including your own) to help.
I say this, and I'm against giving Ukraine all the financial aid when we have homeless veterans here in the US. Feel free to call me selfish and nationalistic, I just don't think this is our fight nor is it worth starting a potential nuclear war over.
This doesn't mean I am a Russian sympathizer, or that I am heartless towards Ukraine/Ukrainians... Putin is a thug and I hope the Ukraine holds it's ground. The US gets criticized for being the world's police and then for not doing enough... it's virtually impossible to escape criticism.
As much as I agree with Taiwan, I am also not a fan of going to war with China over it... I am not in favor of waging an economic war with them over it.
I say this, and I'm against giving Ukraine all the financial aid when we have homeless veterans here in the US. Feel free to call me selfish and nationalistic, I just don't think this is our fight nor is it worth starting a potential nuclear war over.
This doesn't mean I am a Russian sympathizer, or that I am heartless towards Ukraine/Ukrainians... Putin is a thug and I hope the Ukraine holds it's ground. The US gets criticized for being the world's police and then for not doing enough... it's virtually impossible to escape criticism.
As much as I agree with Taiwan, I am also not a fan of going to war with China over it... I am not in favor of waging an economic war with them over it.
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John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
As for me and my house, we shall be marching onward to Heavenly Zion, where our citizenship lies. God is quite capable of taking care of the world which I am merely a sojourner in.
As for me and my house, we shall be marching onward to Heavenly Zion, where our citizenship lies. God is quite capable of taking care of the world which I am merely a sojourner in.
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There's really no telling anymore you just have to take most near any story or any video from any news media, main stream or the web sites with alternate news and do a lot of digging to determine whats true or not. I spent a lot of time during the last few years looking at the different links here on CC and other places and it's mind boggling whats the product of deception. Here is a video from several years back(2019) explaining the new technology of AI and how believable they can fabricate most near anything
There's many others you can find and as you will see most near anyone could say they did or did not do most anything we see on the internet or news. After looking at these things and digging into the links given from the election,Covid and even the war in Ukraine I just don't get all worked up over any of it anymore. Anyway did he say those things or not?
There's many others you can find and as you will see most near anyone could say they did or did not do most anything we see on the internet or news. After looking at these things and digging into the links given from the election,Covid and even the war in Ukraine I just don't get all worked up over any of it anymore. Anyway did he say those things or not?
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Showing weakness if we did nothing is the last thing to do in a threat like this. If they had not such opposition then would they think twice before invading other countries? No one knows but I do know that doing nothing is a sign of weakness especially for a country who has set it's dominance on the concept of liberty and democracy. We fought for others to give others this same chance and blessing that was given to us in America.
It is strategic as China warns countries of western imperialism but our enemies wish to do the same with Ukraine and Taiwan. We operate in other countries not only to secure human rights but to also help stabilize and make fertile ground for human rights to flourish. For example, WW1, WW2, Korean War, Vietnam, or even operation Iraqi freedom. It protects the home front while simultaneously helping others abroad.
The concept is there but failed in Vietnam due to the South Vietnamese wasn't willing to fight and secure such liberty.
Operation Iraqi Freedom failed because the foundation was never established for democracy.
That foundation is religious freedom. This is why every conservative administration has for its number one foreign policy to be religious freedom or right to conscience.
You can never have liberty or democracy if people want to kill each other over religion. You also can not have liberty or democracy if each individual life isn't held as valuable.
This if done correctly it builds perfect allies with the worldview of the west. If done incorrectly we are left with a directionless war that lasts for decades and no one knows what the victory is.
Most of the Iranian forces from my reports was willing to fight for their occupied land but due to Biden's disaster of a withdrawal they immediately lost their ability to gain intelligence, air superiority, and created self inflicted chaos.
Just air superiority alone as Trump upheld not only held the enemy at bay but also for 3 to 4 years saw no American lives lost. Biden gets 14 killed within a few months and blows up an innocent civilian Iranian family in a car with a drone strike.
Now this is what happens when we stop working against foreign enemies. We now see an Iranian terrorist state backed by US guns, ammo, and technology that was left. Do we let that fester and wait for another 9/11? Another Pearl Harbor?
I do not advocate boots on the ground in Ukraine but I feel we are doing good by supplying aid, helping refugees, and creating a NATO border. We need allies when against such great foes and ironically it is in such great of threat to unite the allies of the world.
It is strategic as China warns countries of western imperialism but our enemies wish to do the same with Ukraine and Taiwan. We operate in other countries not only to secure human rights but to also help stabilize and make fertile ground for human rights to flourish. For example, WW1, WW2, Korean War, Vietnam, or even operation Iraqi freedom. It protects the home front while simultaneously helping others abroad.
The concept is there but failed in Vietnam due to the South Vietnamese wasn't willing to fight and secure such liberty.
Operation Iraqi Freedom failed because the foundation was never established for democracy.
That foundation is religious freedom. This is why every conservative administration has for its number one foreign policy to be religious freedom or right to conscience.
You can never have liberty or democracy if people want to kill each other over religion. You also can not have liberty or democracy if each individual life isn't held as valuable.
This if done correctly it builds perfect allies with the worldview of the west. If done incorrectly we are left with a directionless war that lasts for decades and no one knows what the victory is.
Most of the Iranian forces from my reports was willing to fight for their occupied land but due to Biden's disaster of a withdrawal they immediately lost their ability to gain intelligence, air superiority, and created self inflicted chaos.
Just air superiority alone as Trump upheld not only held the enemy at bay but also for 3 to 4 years saw no American lives lost. Biden gets 14 killed within a few months and blows up an innocent civilian Iranian family in a car with a drone strike.
Now this is what happens when we stop working against foreign enemies. We now see an Iranian terrorist state backed by US guns, ammo, and technology that was left. Do we let that fester and wait for another 9/11? Another Pearl Harbor?
I do not advocate boots on the ground in Ukraine but I feel we are doing good by supplying aid, helping refugees, and creating a NATO border. We need allies when against such great foes and ironically it is in such great of threat to unite the allies of the world.
Okay here I'll give you all a clue...
Play the video of L Graham(post #141) and when you do click the Youtube icon(takes you to YouTube),,,,next make the video full screen(easier to see errors in AI with larger screen),,,,don't look at Graham look at the mountain terrain in the window behind his head ,,,,You will see the scenery behind Graham jump from one scene to another the video is fake it is manipulated. Tell me if any of you see what I said.
I heard Psaki celebrating that Russia's economy is crippled. So let's consider some very plausible and likely outcomes of crippling Russia's economy.
1. This could cause their Oil production to collapse. Imagine the world losing Russia's oil. You may think that is a good thing but it will certainly be very inflationary for a very long time.
2. If the oil production in Russia collapses then so does everything else including their wheat production and fertilizer production. That would be a huge impact to worldwide food production. We are no longer talking about inflation, but famine and anarchy.
3. Now we did this because of human rights abuses towards what? 5 million people? That means everyone who is a refugee, everyone killed, injured or a direct relative of someone hurt, as well as other victims, like those who buildings or businesses have been damaged. So to respond to that we create a human rights crisis for 140 million?
So not only do we have a massive, massive crisis in a country of 140 million but cutting them off will also impact all those who need to import oil or grains. Not only so but this crisis will certainly spread to Ukraine a country of 40 million. Will we have 180 million refugees?
4. But this isn't the only realistic outcome. Already China is negotiating with Saudi Arabia to buy oil with a currency other than the US dollar. Meanwhile Saudi Arabia is screening Joe Biden's calls. You may not understand what that means but it will be catastrophic to the US. Forget about $5 a gallon gas, that will be a joke. We are talking about $10 a gallon gas that soon will be exponentially more expensive ($20 even $100).
5. Also I don't think Putin will go quietly into that good night. You don't have nuclear weapons for nothing. Imagine what happens when we toss in nuclear war into this crisis. It will be apocalyptic, it will be a great tribulation.
1. This could cause their Oil production to collapse. Imagine the world losing Russia's oil. You may think that is a good thing but it will certainly be very inflationary for a very long time.
2. If the oil production in Russia collapses then so does everything else including their wheat production and fertilizer production. That would be a huge impact to worldwide food production. We are no longer talking about inflation, but famine and anarchy.
3. Now we did this because of human rights abuses towards what? 5 million people? That means everyone who is a refugee, everyone killed, injured or a direct relative of someone hurt, as well as other victims, like those who buildings or businesses have been damaged. So to respond to that we create a human rights crisis for 140 million?
So not only do we have a massive, massive crisis in a country of 140 million but cutting them off will also impact all those who need to import oil or grains. Not only so but this crisis will certainly spread to Ukraine a country of 40 million. Will we have 180 million refugees?
4. But this isn't the only realistic outcome. Already China is negotiating with Saudi Arabia to buy oil with a currency other than the US dollar. Meanwhile Saudi Arabia is screening Joe Biden's calls. You may not understand what that means but it will be catastrophic to the US. Forget about $5 a gallon gas, that will be a joke. We are talking about $10 a gallon gas that soon will be exponentially more expensive ($20 even $100).
5. Also I don't think Putin will go quietly into that good night. You don't have nuclear weapons for nothing. Imagine what happens when we toss in nuclear war into this crisis. It will be apocalyptic, it will be a great tribulation.
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According to a current analysis quoted in a couple of conservative news sources, Russia will not achieve its goal of grabbing Ukraine. Russia has taken some major losses and the Ukrainians are not giving up. So Putin will probably have to simply back off. As to the use of nuclear weapons, that is simply bluster. Nuking Ukraine would be equivalent to nuking Russia, since they sit side by side. The fallout would not be limited to Ukraine. And if Ukraine is contaminated, how can it possibly benefit Russia?
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You are not missing much. Just getting people lathered up about the things of this world here below. The Lord tells us to focus on things eternal. It should come as no surprise to the Christian that this old world is going to Hell in a handbasket.
2 Corinthians
10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
2 Corinthians
10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
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Some people seem to have forgotten whose army they are marching in. They say, "we should do this" or " we should do that". I hope that they are referring to the Church and not the place they were born in. Let's not go back under the old yoke we were delivered out of when we were made new creatures in Christ Jesus.
Hebrews
11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, [so many] as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that [country] from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
11:16 But now they desire a better [country], that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Hebrews
11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, [so many] as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that [country] from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
11:16 But now they desire a better [country], that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
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