Who is the king of the north?

[Laodicea]

Daniel 11:45
(45) And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Daniel 9:16
(16) O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.

Could Islam be the king of the north prophesied in Daniel 11?
They have the dome of the rock on the glorious holy mountain and have become a major force in the world today.

 

[Laodicea]

If Islam is the king of the north then the rest of Daniel 11:45 says:-

Daniel 11:45
(45) And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Then chapter 12 says:-

Daniel 12:1-2
(1) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
(2) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

"At that time" must be referring to when the king of the north comes to an end

 

[selenah]

Daniel 11:45
(45) And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Daniel 9:16
(16) O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.

Could Islam be the king of the north prophesied in Daniel 11?
They have the dome of the rock on the glorious holy mountain and have become a major force in the world today.

I was going to say Santa Claus.....but I don't think that would have been the right answer.

 

[Scotth1960]

Daniel 11:45
(45) And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Daniel 9:16
(16) O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.

Could Islam be the king of the north prophesied in Daniel 11?
They have the dome of the rock on the glorious holy mountain and have become a major force in the world today.

This is an ancient prophecy that was already fulfilled by ancient history. See: Yamauchi, Edwin M. (1982). Foes From the Northern Frontier: Invading Hordes from the Russian Steppes. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House. In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington June 2011 AD

 

[Laodicea]

This is an ancient prophecy that was already fulfilled by ancient history. See: Yamauchi, Edwin M. (1982). Foes From the Northern Frontier: Invading Hordes from the Russian Steppes. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House. In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington June 2011 AD

It cannot be fulfilled because Daniel 11:40 Says "At the time of the end" and 12:1, 2 says that when the king of the north comes to an end then will be the resurrection

Daniel 11:45
(45) And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Daniel 12:1-2
(1) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
(2) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
(16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So since this is a prophecy for the time of the end and if Islam is this king then it says he shall come to an end and none shall help him and then when that happens Chapter 12 :1. 2 will be fulfilled

 

[jb]

"The king of the North" is another one of Antichrist's names...

 

[Scotth1960]

It cannot be fulfilled because Daniel 11:40 Says "At the time of the end" and 12:1, 2 says that when the king of the north comes to an end then will be the resurrection

Daniel 11:45
(45) And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Daniel 12:1-2
(1) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
(2) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
(16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So since this is a prophecy for the time of the end and if Islam is this king then it says he shall come to an end and none shall help him and then when that happens Chapter 12 :1. 2 will be fulfilled

The problem, Laodicea, is that Jesus Christ our Lord warned that know man knows the day or the hour of the end time, or His return. Trying to read Daniel, Ezekiel, Revelation, etc. to try to predict whether or not it is the end times is kind of trying to know the day and the hour. But Christ said only the Father knows. Unfortunately, some people, like Harold Camping, Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe, Tim LaHaye, Edgar Whisenant, try to know that we are really living in the last days. The thing is to be prepared to meet God, whenever the end comes. The end of life will come for all of us within our lifetimes. Trying to speculate whether or not we're of the last generations of Christians who will be left alive to be resurrected without dying at the Second Coming is a kind of error that has happened much in our times. People have "rapture fever". Some people. But we can't know how long human history will last. Or be. So whether Daniel is or is not fulfilled is quite besides the point. We can't know when Daniel 12 will happen. That's all. I believe some of Daniel is fulfilled already, as in Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. 4 empires. In Daniel's vision.
In Erie PA Scott Harrington June 2011 AD GOD BLESS YOU GREATLY IN CHRIST JESUS; AMEN!

 

[Laodicea]

The problem, Laodicea, is that Jesus Christ our Lord warned that know man knows the day or the hour of the end time, or His return. Trying to read Daniel, Ezekiel, Revelation, etc. to try to predict whether or not it is the end times is kind of trying to know the day and the hour. But Christ said only the Father knows. Unfortunately, some people, like Harold Camping, Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe, Tim LaHaye, Edgar Whisenant, try to know that we are really living in the last days. The thing is to be prepared to meet God, whenever the end comes. The end of life will come for all of us within our lifetimes. Trying to speculate whether or not we're of the last generations of Christians who will be left alive to be resurrected without dying at the Second Coming is a kind of error that has happened much in our times. People have "rapture fever". Some people. But we can't know how long human history will last. Or be. So whether Daniel is or is not fulfilled is quite besides the point. We can't know when Daniel 12 will happen. That's all. I believe some of Daniel is fulfilled already, as in Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. 4 empires. In Daniel's vision.
In Erie PA Scott Harrington June 2011 AD GOD BLESS YOU GREATLY IN CHRIST JESUS; AMEN!

I certainly do not believe in date setting for it goes against what the Bible says but, Jesus said we can know when the time is near

Matthew 24:33
(33) So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

This is just another sign that our redemption draweth nigh. Also the verses in Daniel do not say how or when the king of the north will come to an end only that they will

 

[jb]

"The king of the North" is another one of Antichrist's names...

Just to add to the above, we (Christians) will not know the identity of Antichrist (who is a single individual person) until he makes a covenant with many nations, including Israel for seven years, which occurs at the beginning of Daniel's 70th prophetic week (Dan 9v27) which also runs concurrently with the opening of the seven seals (Rev 6v1-17, 8v1), in the middle of the week (i.e. after three and a half years), Antichrist breaks the covenant and sets up his image in the Temple in Jerusalem, which also signals the beginning of the Great Tribulation, which runs for the 2nd half of the week, i.e. three and a half years, immediately after the Great Tribulation (i.e. this second period of three and a half years) Christ comes to destroy the wicked, resurrect the Old and New Testament saints, with the Christians (both those resurrected and those alive) being raptured to be judged by the Lord Jesus, at which time the Millennium kingdom is also set up. The day that Christ comes to destroy the wicked is the same day that He comes to deliver His people (Luke 17v22-30). Jer 30v7, Dan 7v25, 8v25, 12v1,2,7, Matt 24v15,21,29-31, 25v14-30, 1Cor 15v50-55, 1Thess 4v13-18, 2Thess 2v1-12, Rev 7v9-17 (esp.v14), 11v1,2,15-19, 13v1-18, 19v1-21.

 

[Abiding]

Just to add to the above, we (Christians) will not know the identity of Antichrist (who is a single individual person) until he makes a covenant with many nations, including Israel for seven years, which occurs at the beginning of Daniel's 70th prophetic week (Dan 9v27) which also runs concurrently with the opening of the seven seals (Rev 6v1-17, 8v1), in the middle of the week (i.e. after three and a half years), Antichrist breaks the covenant and sets up his image in the Temple in Jerusalem, which also signals the beginning of the Great Tribulation, which runs for the 2nd half of the week, i.e. three and a half years, immediately after the Great Tribulation (i.e. this second period of three and a half years) Christ comes to destroy the wicked, resurrect the Old and New Testament saints, with the Christians (both those resurrected and those alive) being raptured to be judged by the Lord Jesus, at which time the Millennium kingdom is also set up. The day that Christ comes to destroy the wicked is the same day that He comes to deliver His people (Luke 17v22-30). Jer 30v7, Dan 7v25, 8v25, 12v1,2,7, Matt 24v15,21,29-31, 25v14-30, 1Cor 15v50-55, 1Thess 4v13-18, 2Thess 2v1-12, Rev 7v9-17 (esp.v14), 11v1,2,15-19, 13v1-18, 19v1-21.

I spose thats a fairly good summery of the pretrib view...but!....what good would it be to have so many clues given to mark out the antichrist if christians wont know who it might be? If this signing of a covenant will make him known why all the needless info? Just curious.

 

[Laodicea]

I spose thats a fairly good summery of the pretrib view...but!....what good would it be to have so many clues given to mark out the antichrist if christians wont know who it might be? If this signing of a covenant will make him known why all the needless info? Just curious.

The antichrist has already been revealed and was at work in Paul's day

2 Thessalonians 2:7
(7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

And the seventy weeks have been fulfilled

Daniel 9:27
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This is referring to Christ who put an end to the sacrificial system

The king of the north must be referring to someone else

 

[jb]

I spose thats a fairly good summery of the pretrib view...but!....what good would it be to have so many clues given to mark out the antichrist if christians wont know who it might be? If this signing of a covenant will make him known why all the needless info? Just curious.

I think you should read what I wrote again, as it does NOT refer to a pre-tribulation secret advent and rapture, but to a post-tribulation glorious appear of the Lord Jesus when every eye will see Him. Rev 1v7...

 

[Scotth1960]

Just to add to the above, we (Christians) will not know the identity of Antichrist (who is a single individual person) until he makes a covenant with many nations, including Israel for seven years, which occurs at the beginning of Daniel's 70th prophetic week (Dan 9v27) which also runs concurrently with the opening of the seven seals (Rev 6v1-17, 8v1), in the middle of the week (i.e. after three and a half years), Antichrist breaks the covenant and sets up his image in the Temple in Jerusalem, which also signals the beginning of the Great Tribulation, which runs for the 2nd half of the week, i.e. three and a half years, immediately after the Great Tribulation (i.e. this second period of three and a half years) Christ comes to destroy the wicked, resurrect the Old and New Testament saints, with the Christians (both those resurrected and those alive) being raptured to be judged by the Lord Jesus, at which time the Millennium kingdom is also set up. The day that Christ comes to destroy the wicked is the same day that He comes to deliver His people (Luke 17v22-30). Jer 30v7, Dan 7v25, 8v25, 12v1,2,7, Matt 24v15,21,29-31, 25v14-30, 1Cor 15v50-55, 1Thess 4v13-18, 2Thess 2v1-12, Rev 7v9-17 (esp.v14), 11v1,2,15-19, 13v1-18, 19v1-21.

Dear jb, According to both the preterist, partial preterist, amillennial, and postmillennial views, Daniel's 70th week was already fulfilled. Just as Christ predicted, the Jewish temple was destroyed in 70 AD. And the reference to Daniel 9:24-27: "The Epistle of Barnabas (ch. 16) observes that this passage was fulfilled when the temple (the sanctuary, v. 26) was destroyed by the Romans in AD 70. Barnabas also points out that a true temple remains, the Body of Christ, a spiritual temple in which God dwells. ...." OSB, page 1256.
OSB = Orthodox Study Bible. Copyright 2008, St. Athanasius Academy of Orthodox Theology, Elk Grove, CA. Fr. Jack N. Sparks, Ph.D., dean, editor. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Bibles.
God bless you and God bless us all in Christ Jesus. Amen. June 2011 AD In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington

 

[jb]

Dear jb, According to both the preterist, partial preterist, amillennial, and postmillennial views, Daniel's 70th week was already fulfilled. Just as Christ predicted, the Jewish temple was destroyed in 70 AD. And the reference to Daniel 9:24-27: "The Epistle of Barnabas (ch. 16) observes that this passage was fulfilled when the temple (the sanctuary, v. 26) was destroyed by the Romans in AD 70. Barnabas also points out that a true temple remains, the Body of Christ, a spiritual temple in which God dwells. ...." OSB, page 1256.
OSB = Orthodox Study Bible. Copyright 2008, St. Athanasius Academy of Orthodox Theology, Elk Grove, CA. Fr. Jack N. Sparks, Ph.D., dean, editor. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Bibles.
God bless you and God bless us all in Christ Jesus. Amen. June 2011 AD In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington

Matt 24v15 has a dual fulfillment as Rev 11v1,2 proves, so hence Dan 9v27 still has to be fulfilled!

 

[Laodicea]

Dear jb, According to both the preterist, partial preterist, amillennial, and postmillennial views, Daniel's 70th week was already fulfilled. Just as Christ predicted, the Jewish temple was destroyed in 70 AD. And the reference to Daniel 9:24-27: "The Epistle of Barnabas (ch. 16) observes that this passage was fulfilled when the temple (the sanctuary, v. 26) was destroyed by the Romans in AD 70. Barnabas also points out that a true temple remains, the Body of Christ, a spiritual temple in which God dwells. ...." OSB, page 1256.
OSB = Orthodox Study Bible. Copyright 2008, St. Athanasius Academy of Orthodox Theology, Elk Grove, CA. Fr. Jack N. Sparks, Ph.D., dean, editor. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Bibles.
God bless you and God bless us all in Christ Jesus. Amen. June 2011 AD In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington

And the reason why the temple was destroyed was because of the sins of Israel at the time of Christ

Daniel 9:11
(11) Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
Daniel 9:14-15
(14) Therefore hath the LORD watched upon the evil, and brought it upon us: for the LORD our God is righteous in all his works which he doeth: for we obeyed not his voice.
(15) And now, O Lord our God, that hast brought thy people forth out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and hast gotten thee renown, as at this day; we have sinned, we have done wickedly.
Jeremiah 38:23
(23) So they shall bring out all thy wives and thy children to the Chaldeans: and thou shalt not escape out of their hand, but shalt be taken by the hand of the king of Babylon: and thou shalt cause this city to be burned with fire.

Because of Israel's sins the city was destroyed and they were sent into Babylonian captivity so because of the sins of Israel in the time of Christ the city and temple was destroyed

 

[Abiding]

I think you should read what I wrote again, as it does NOT refer to a pre-tribulation secret advent and rapture, but to a post-tribulation glorious appear of the Lord Jesus when every eye will see Him. Rev 1v7...

Ok just reread..so sorry

 

[zone]

Matt 24v15 has a dual fulfillment as Rev 11v1,2 proves, so hence Dan 9v27 still has to be fulfilled!

um....no...it doesn't.
if Christ didn't fulfill that, you're unforgiven.

 

[zone]

Just to add to the above, we (Christians) will not know the identity of Antichrist (who is a single individual person) until he makes a covenant with many nations, including Israel for seven years, which occurs at the beginning of Daniel's 70th prophetic week (Dan 9v27) which also runs concurrently with the opening of the seven seals (Rev 6v1-17, 8v1), in the middle of the week (i.e. after three and a half years), Antichrist breaks the covenant and sets up his image in the Temple in Jerusalem, which also signals the beginning of the Great Tribulation, which runs for the 2nd half of the week, i.e. three and a half years, immediately after the Great Tribulation (i.e. this second period of three and a half years) Christ comes to destroy the wicked, resurrect the Old and New Testament saints, with the Christians (both those resurrected and those alive) being raptured to be judged by the Lord Jesus, at which time the Millennium kingdom is also set up. The day that Christ comes to destroy the wicked is the same day that He comes to deliver His people (Luke 17v22-30). Jer 30v7, Dan 7v25, 8v25, 12v1,2,7, Matt 24v15,21,29-31, 25v14-30, 1Cor 15v50-55, 1Thess 4v13-18, 2Thess 2v1-12, Rev 7v9-17 (esp.v14), 11v1,2,15-19, 13v1-18, 19v1-21.

DISPENSATIONAL fantasy.

Daniel 9 is fulfilled.

no GAPS - Scofield needed them though...

 

[zone]

I spose thats a fairly good summery of the pretrib view...but!....what good would it be to have so many clues given to mark out the antichrist if christians wont know who it might be? If this signing of a covenant will make him known why all the needless info? Just curious.

you had it right Abiding: this is just Dispensational Theology without the pretrib.

same wrong eschatology.

 

[kentappel]

Here are some quotes from Future Survival by Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel, a leading supporter of dispensalisim, who came very close to setting a date for the rapture and the end of the ages. In this book and another book called End Times, which came out in 1978, Smith also promoted the idea that Russia was going to attack Israel at any moment, thus implying that the king of the north came from Russia. In addition Smith indicated that the European Community, that at that time was adding its tenth member, was a significant sign that the end of the ages was unfolding.
Well none of the things he thought were about to unfold occurred. So I don't listen to very much of what he and others like Hal Lindsey, who said things back then along the same lines as Smith said on end times. Sure we can't compare Smith to someone like Harold Camping because Smith did say that he could be wrong but the thing is he was wrong. But back then over 30 years ago we kept hearing how we could just read the newspapers and we would be seeing Bible prophesy unfolding right before our eyes, sound familiar? As now we are hearing from some people how if we just read the papers and watch the news that we are seeing the end times. Hard to believe for some people nowadays but people were even more certain in the late 1970s they are now that the end was near.

Future Survival, ©1978, was published by The Word For Today. See pages 7, 17, 20, 21, 22, 49, 53, and 67. Some of the quotes are included below:

From page 17.

From page 20.

From page 21.

From page 49.

© 1978 The Word For Today -


I got an idea, why don't we just live the same way if Jesus is coming back today or if he is coming back 100, 200, or even 2000 years from now. Whatever the case, the devil, the false prophet, etc are going to lose anyway in the end and they will be thrown into the lake of fire for eternity so no worries!