Genesis 1:1&2

[Artios1]

We are not left to guess, since the fourth commandment makes creation very clear: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exod 20:11).

Actually in both Genesis 1:1 and Exodus 20:11, "the heavens" is in the plural in Hebrew -- הַשָּׁמַ֣יִם (haš-šā-ma-yim) but each time the KJB translators -- for some strange reason -- made it singular. As a matter of fact the Bible speaks of three heavens (the third being God's Heaven).

I agree with what you are saying in reference to what you are pointing out. I think where we differ is I am referencing Genesis 1:1 and you are referencing Genesis 1:2 ff…..Which is what (Exod 20:11) is referring to. The difference is in the words create and made.

Create = bārā' = The word created is to bring something into existence that did not exist before, or to make something out of nothing.

Made = âsâh = A substance required of which the thing made, consists. (Not to be confused with formed)

Formed = yâtsar = Fashioned out of something that was already in existence.

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I noticed that with the word heaven(s) in the KJV… and yet when you check it against text, in all instance it is plural….that is very odd

And as you state there are three referred to in the Word… atmospheric, celestial, and Gods Heaven

 

[oyster67]

What is The Day of The Lord? It is a 1,000 years or a millennium

That phrase appears in many contexts. The one that first comes to my mind...

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

This particular context sounds like after the Millennium, but that is not the only time this phrase is used.

 

[Marilyn]

 

[Amanuensis]

That phrase appears in many contexts. The one that first comes to my mind...

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

This particular context sounds like after the Millennium, but that is not the only time this phrase is used.

Yes it is usually emphasizing the day of Judgment when God brings everyone to an accounting. This climaxes in the turning this present world back into the state of without form and void as Jeremiah foresaw and Peter describes. There are many prophesies that mention other details and I think it is correct to say that everything John saw that he wrote in Revelation encompasses the Day of the Lord which is what he meant when he said he was in the spirit on the Lords Day. Not Sunday, but rather he was shown a vision in the spirit about the Day of The Lord.

 

[Thewatchman]

That doesn't make sense. He created it and started it in that state. Then he formed it as described.

To say that he did not create it such that it started as without form and void is to call him a liar. To question his morality in doing so is to accuse God of wrong doing.

Isaiah 45 18 does not contradict Gen 1

For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

He created the earth and stared with it being without form and void and then began to shape it as described. He had a plan. He did not create it to be without form and void and leave it like that, He created it and started it in that condition but with no delay in forming it as we read how he did it.

To say that Is 45 18 says that God did not start the world as without form and void and shape it accordingly is to call Gen a lie.

Isaiah was not calling Gen a lie. He was making a point that he formed it to be inhabited and we can read exactly how he did it in Gen 1. By starting with a state of formless and void and shaping it as described and filling it with inhabitants in one week. Because that was his plan it was not to be created and left empty of inhabitants. It was not the earth itself that was the main plan it was the inhabitants, you and me. Mankind that he created it for.

Anyone can understand it, only those who are taught by someone else can come up with the preadamic race theory because neither Moses, (author of Gen), Jeremiah, Isaiah, or Ezekiel ever heard of such a thing and none of them had such a thing in mind when they wrote.

 

[Thewatchman]

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

It does not state when the heavens and earth were created or if they were created at the same time. It could have been the same time but…. It doesn’t say …..so we don’t know.
But what it does say is that both the heavens and the earth were created. Additionally, the Hebrew particle ‘eth before both “the heavens” and “the earth” emphasize the article “the”, which distinguishes them both from the proceeding event of verse 2.


In Genesis 1:1, When God created the Heavens and the Earth He created it not in vain.

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

thankyou you make my point

 

[Grandpa]

aye

for one reason because "years" can only be measured by the rotation of the earth about the sun -- and we don't get that until Yom 4 in Genesis 1

now i know a day by the relative motion of the earth and sun.
i have no idea what a 'day' is for Genesis 1 yoms/days 1-3

plus there are indications both scritural & observational that the lengths of days, weeks, months and years have changed.
the Levitical calendar in the Torah is 360 day year, 12 30-day months. a 30-day lunar cycle, a 360 day solar cycle.
we do not see that, now.

probably the cursing of the ground in Genesis 3 for Adam's sake, is when the difference began, IMO

Do you think that, possibly, when the earth started its wobble that may have caused it to start getting slightly farther away from the sun? Adding days to the year.

I've wondered about that part in the bible where it says the sun stood still. Too many catastrophic problems with the earth actually stopping its rotation. But it would be perfectly feasible for the earth to begin to tilt at a different angle at this time. The time the earth started its wobble.

And it could explain the sun looking like it stopped in the sky... Maybe...

 

[posthuman]

Do you think that, possibly, when the earth started its wobble that may have caused it to start getting slightly farther away from the sun? Adding days to the year.

I've wondered about that part in the bible where it says the sun stood still. Too many catastrophic problems with the earth actually stopping its rotation. But it would be perfectly feasible for the earth to begin to tilt at a different angle at this time. The time the earth started its wobble.

And it could explain the sun looking like it stopped in the sky... Maybe...

interesting -- not sure this would be related to the sun standing still, but it does make sense in general that we started to drift further from the sun at some point - it would explain 365.24-something vs. 360 days, as the orbital period would tend to increase with a greater radius and slower orbital velocity.
it would also make sense that the tilt and precession could have begun at the same time as the drift. a catastrophic event.

i have heard opinions that this was at the time of the flood ((iirc that's Ken Hamm's position?)) but i tend to think at the expulsion of Adam & his wife from the garden, specifically the cursing of the ground fits better? -- it also brings up the question of seasons, because the seasons are the result of the tilt of the earth relative to the solar ecliptic, while the variation of them is influenced by the precession ((which precession also wobbles)). does it make sense that seasons began at Genesis 3? Genesis 7? Joshua 10? or have there been seasons since Genesis 1?

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