WHO ARE DENIED HEAVEN-ENTRY?

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Sudakar

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If you don’t mind, a question. What do you think Jesus meant when He made references to the Kingdom of Heaven?
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Jesus said none can enter the kingdom of heaven without becoming like a little which believes in Jesus & is free of the forbidden knowledge of good & evil.
 
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Sudakar said:
1) Romans2:14 never says adult humans will be saved apart from Jesus who alone is the way, truth & life.

2) Acts4:12: "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name (of Jesus) under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved".
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I never dreamed that anybody could be saved without Jesus ...
 
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This is the context and it doesn’t mean what you’re suggesting. The child, innocent and without pretense, full of trust and faith in his parents, is like how Jesus said we should be toward Him - toward God. This is a comparison to illustrate a point.

Matthew 18:1-6
1At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
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"these little ones which believe in me" shows God made no mistake when He made babies. All humans are responsible for their destiny. No excuse.
 
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Sudakar said:
Jesus said none can enter the kingdom of heaven without becoming like a little which believes in Jesus & is free of the forbidden knowledge of good & evil.
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wooo "and is free of the forbidden knowledge of good and evil" I didn't read that part
 
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Evmur said:
I never dreamed that anybody could be saved without Jesus ...
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So 'I didn't hear the gospel' is never an excuse. All have been presented with the gospel for God is perfectly faithful & demands obedience according to Genesis 2:17..
 
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Evmur said:
wooo "and is free of the forbidden knowledge of good and evil" I didn't read that part
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All babies believe in Jesus & also free from the forbidden knowledge of good & evil. This is biblical truth.
 
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Sudakar said:
Adam and Eve were unclothed in God's most holy presence. Isn't that sinful seen through the knowledge of good and evil?
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I gave an answer to your question. Where you go from here is your own decision.
 
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Sudakar said:
So 'I didn't hear the gospel' is never an excuse. All have been presented with the gospel for God is perfectly faithful & demands obedience according to Genesis 2:17..
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you have not adequately answered the scriptures I have given.
 
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Adam passed the "virus" of sin and death to all mankind (Rom 5:12). But every person is responsible for obedience to the Gospel.
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Adam gained sin & death by obtaining the forbidden knowledge of good & evil. All babies believe in Jesus & are free from the forbidden knowledge of good & evil. God made no mistake when He made babies.
 
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Aerials1978 said:
I gave an answer to your question. Where you go from here is your own decision.
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All babies believe in Jesus & are free from the forbidden knowledge of good & evil. God made no mistake when He made babies. So God holds all humans responsible. Every individual must believe in the deliverance from the forbidden knowledge of good & evil that Jesus earned on the cross or face eternal consequences. No option.
 
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Why, then, did God come looking for them?
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To inform them the forbidden knowledge of good & evil produced guilt in them & separated them from Him.
 
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Knowledge of good and evil does not make people do the right thing after When child grows up,Lies, temptations and jealousy，hatred can lead people to make wrong choices, even if the knowledge of good and evil is sealed in our memory.


Some things, when you were a child, no one taught you, you knew what was wrong.That knowledge is the fruit of the tree of good and evil.

When people teach you that this is right and that it is wrong, this knowledge does not come entirely from the fruit of the tree of good and evil.

Even if Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the tree of good and evil,Nor can they fully understand good and evil like God.so do we.
It's not like the serpent said that eating this fruit can distinguish good and evil like God.

So we need the Bible.we need Jesus, he is the tree of life.It has nothing to do with whether has eat the fruit of the tree of good and evil.
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All babies believe in Jesus & are free from the forbidden knowledge of good & evil. God made no mistake when He made babies. So God holds all humans responsible. Every individual must believe in the deliverance from the forbidden knowledge of good & evil that Jesus earned on the cross or face eternal consequences.
 
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Sudakar said:
All babies believe in Jesus & are free from the forbidden knowledge of good & evil. God made no mistake when He made babies. So God holds all humans responsible. Every individual must believe in the deliverance from the forbidden knowledge of good & evil that Jesus earned on the cross or face eternal consequences. No option.
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So human babies are not born into a sinful nature?
 
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Sudakar said:
Jesus said none can enter the kingdom of heaven without becoming like a little which believes in Jesus & is free of the forbidden knowledge of good & evil.
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Yes, being "like" a little one in English is a literary device called simile. It is used to compare something to something else, but it isn't literal and it doesn't mean that all children believe in Jesus.
 
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Sudakar said:
Does the Bible say babies are born with the knowledge of good & evil?
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Yes it does say that but you seem to prefer your private interpretation.

Sudakar said:
If all babies don't have faith in Jesus, dying babies end up in hell? She doesn't answer this.
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Babies need their diapers changed.

Sudakar said:
Knowledge of good & evil comes through the moral law (Romans3:20). So deliverance from the moral law delivers one from the forbidden knowledge of good & evil.
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That is not what Genesis teaches us. It seems you prefer your own interpretation.

Sudakar said:
"These little ones believe in Me" in Mathew18:6 proves all babies believe in Jesus. The problem is not with God's creation. The problem is with humans who forsake faith in Jesus & choose the forbidden knowledge of good & evil as they grow up.
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This has been covered by several people and you are just as wrong now as you were the first time.
 
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Sudakar said:
All babies believe in Jesus & also free from the forbidden knowledge of good & evil. This is biblical truth.
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3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
II Timothy 4:3-4

You exemplify the need for sound doctrine. You have believed things that are not true and worse, you attempt to teach others those false doctrines. People should be aware of your false doctrine; pray for you, but not accept your false teachings.
 
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