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it’s like you talk but are incapable of hearing what another person says
You
“water baptism for salvation is heretical when it places itself equal to or above the BLOOD of Christ.
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
That’s my belief
“water baptism for salvation is heretical when it places itself equal to or above the BLOOD of Christ.”
this is ridiculous the only person saying that is you. In no writing I’ve ever written will you find me saying ester. Altima is greater than the blood of Christ this is why it’s hard to discuss with you , you make up straw men in almost every post to argue against.
Jesus did this
“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
Matthew 26:28 KJV
so believers are instructed to do this
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
you get baptized only because you believe Jesus shed his blood for your sins.
if you want to discuss you have to hear what I’m saying first and not invent things to argue about.
baptism is basic Christianity 101 it’s not one of those great mysteries we need to figure out it’s already plainly written and established and the New Testament then expounds on its meaning but it’s basic foundational 101 stuff
the church has doctrine established in scripture baptism for remission of sins is among the first
I’ve never said water saves anyone lol
You
“water baptism for salvation is heretical when it places itself equal to or above the BLOOD of Christ.
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
That’s my belief
“water baptism for salvation is heretical when it places itself equal to or above the BLOOD of Christ.”
this is ridiculous the only person saying that is you. In no writing I’ve ever written will you find me saying ester. Altima is greater than the blood of Christ this is why it’s hard to discuss with you , you make up straw men in almost every post to argue against.
Jesus did this
“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
Matthew 26:28 KJV
so believers are instructed to do this
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
you get baptized only because you believe Jesus shed his blood for your sins.
if you want to discuss you have to hear what I’m saying first and not invent things to argue about.
baptism is basic Christianity 101 it’s not one of those great mysteries we need to figure out it’s already plainly written and established and the New Testament then expounds on its meaning but it’s basic foundational 101 stuff
the church has doctrine established in scripture baptism for remission of sins is among the first
I’ve never said water saves anyone lol
You said: "I’ve never said water saves anyone lol" = YES you do brother - Post #122
You need to preach this what you said = "you get baptized only because you believe Jesus shed his blood for your sins."
Which is exactly my words and emphasis = “water baptism for salvation is heretical when it places itself equal to or above the BLOOD of Christ.”
Why do you seek to argue against the BLOOD as the ONLY means by which our sins are PAID and washed away???
Find ONE Scripture that says 'water baptism washes sins away' apart from the BLOOD of Christ.
You need to preach this what you said = "you get baptized only because you believe Jesus shed his blood for your sins."
Which is exactly my words and emphasis = “water baptism for salvation is heretical when it places itself equal to or above the BLOOD of Christ.”
Why do you seek to argue against the BLOOD as the ONLY means by which our sins are PAID and washed away???
Find ONE Scripture that says 'water baptism washes sins away' apart from the BLOOD of Christ.
I think you all need to soak your heads... 
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her to sanctify her,
cleansing Her by the washing with Water through the Word, and to present her to Himself as a glorious church, without stain or wrinkle or any such blemish, but holy and blameless.
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Naw that is an actual Lie I’ve never said “ water saves “ anyone
I’ve said from the start God designed baptism for remission of sins John the Baptist came baptizing in water for remission of sins , the apostles kept baptizing for remission of sins
you are like you do with scripture interpreting this to say “ water saves “ and attributing that statement to me not true though
this to be clear is what I’m saying
whatever Jesus said saves , saves. Regarding water baptism , God designed it for remission of sins . Made it plain in the written word of God
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
that’s true in my opinion believing and getting baptized saves like Jesus said there.
before Jesus died
“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
Mark 1:1-4 KJV
after Jesus died and rose
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
Acts 2:38-39, 41 KJV
Before you explain “ it doesn’t say water “ and start explaining some other baptism
“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:43-48
your missing the entire point of baptism because your hung up on it not involving water lol what’s funny brother is your so dug in on it that you forgot where water baptism comes drom
And why we even know about getting baptized in water for remission of sins
it’s almighty Gods design for a person to hear the gospel believe and then get baptized in water for remission of sins. God saying it makes water baltism have value.
you seem to not be able to accept baptism in water but God is who designed it for remission of sins
“The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, Make his paths straight. John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.”
Mark 1:3-5 KJV
the apostles kept baptizing for the same reason
“Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:37-38 KJV
but then again he did explain repentance and remission of sins would be preached in his name in all the world so it makes sense Peter would be preaching repentance and remission of sins and commanding baptism like they all did
“Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
And ye are witnesses of these things.”
Luke 24:45-48
what began in the gospel with baptism for remission of sins is basic fundamental doctrine there’s really no basis for any argument against it honestly found in scripture.
at no point are we ever told baptism changed , it’s purpose changed , now we don’t need “water “baltism , that it has any other purpose but what he said it has which is “for repentance and remission of sins in his name “
it’s basic stuff but there’s a lot in the new testsment tomkewrn about it you seem hung up on water but none of your arguments have anything to do with scripture formknstsnce you won’t respond to all this scripture like Peter commanding Gentiles be water baptized the moment they receive the Holy Ghost youll Conveniently avoid all that and explain other stuff
it’s frustrating because e baptism is Christianity 101 it’s basic faith we hear believe and act because we believe
you can’t seem to accept water baptism os biblical doctrine designed by God for the purpose he said it’s for , almost like you think man added in later water baptism ? Or something ?
Gods design is to believe the gospel , repent and get baptized for remission of sins in Jesus name
I don’t think I’m the one who’s not understanding this particular subject but that’s just my own belief maybe the Bible doesn’t mean what it says so for instance
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
maybe we dont repent and get baptized in Jesus name for remission of sins and receive the Holy Spirit ….but I believe it’s true so I’m stuck on that I guess
I’ve said from the start God designed baptism for remission of sins John the Baptist came baptizing in water for remission of sins , the apostles kept baptizing for remission of sins
you are like you do with scripture interpreting this to say “ water saves “ and attributing that statement to me not true though
this to be clear is what I’m saying
whatever Jesus said saves , saves. Regarding water baptism , God designed it for remission of sins . Made it plain in the written word of God
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
that’s true in my opinion believing and getting baptized saves like Jesus said there.
before Jesus died
“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
Mark 1:1-4 KJV
after Jesus died and rose
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
Acts 2:38-39, 41 KJV
Before you explain “ it doesn’t say water “ and start explaining some other baptism
“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:43-48
your missing the entire point of baptism because your hung up on it not involving water lol what’s funny brother is your so dug in on it that you forgot where water baptism comes drom
And why we even know about getting baptized in water for remission of sins
it’s almighty Gods design for a person to hear the gospel believe and then get baptized in water for remission of sins. God saying it makes water baltism have value.
you seem to not be able to accept baptism in water but God is who designed it for remission of sins
“The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, Make his paths straight. John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.”
Mark 1:3-5 KJV
the apostles kept baptizing for the same reason
“Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:37-38 KJV
but then again he did explain repentance and remission of sins would be preached in his name in all the world so it makes sense Peter would be preaching repentance and remission of sins and commanding baptism like they all did
“Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
And ye are witnesses of these things.”
Luke 24:45-48
what began in the gospel with baptism for remission of sins is basic fundamental doctrine there’s really no basis for any argument against it honestly found in scripture.
at no point are we ever told baptism changed , it’s purpose changed , now we don’t need “water “baltism , that it has any other purpose but what he said it has which is “for repentance and remission of sins in his name “
it’s basic stuff but there’s a lot in the new testsment tomkewrn about it you seem hung up on water but none of your arguments have anything to do with scripture formknstsnce you won’t respond to all this scripture like Peter commanding Gentiles be water baptized the moment they receive the Holy Ghost youll Conveniently avoid all that and explain other stuff
it’s frustrating because e baptism is Christianity 101 it’s basic faith we hear believe and act because we believe
you can’t seem to accept water baptism os biblical doctrine designed by God for the purpose he said it’s for , almost like you think man added in later water baptism ? Or something ?
Gods design is to believe the gospel , repent and get baptized for remission of sins in Jesus name
I don’t think I’m the one who’s not understanding this particular subject but that’s just my own belief maybe the Bible doesn’t mean what it says so for instance
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
maybe we dont repent and get baptized in Jesus name for remission of sins and receive the Holy Spirit ….but I believe it’s true so I’m stuck on that I guess
YES, Brother you have with Scripture to emphasize your belief by ENLARGED BOLD HIGHLIGHTS
You keep forgetting that i was water baptized and i water baptize believers in Jesus Christ our LORD.
i fully understand why 'water baptism' is connected to Salvation but of itself can NEVER provide/bring Salvation to a man/woman.
i have clearly reiterated the Scripture(s), which are the same ones you refer to, that the Shed Blood of Christ that saves us.
Water baptism is a beautiful outward symbol of GOD speaking in our hearts, calling us out of darkness whereby we die to the old man and are symbolically resurrected in the NEW MAN = YESHAUH HAMASHIACH = JESUS the MESSIAH
PEACE my Brother - Stay in the LOVE of Christ because BLOOD is thicker then water
You keep forgetting that i was water baptized and i water baptize believers in Jesus Christ our LORD.
i fully understand why 'water baptism' is connected to Salvation but of itself can NEVER provide/bring Salvation to a man/woman.
i have clearly reiterated the Scripture(s), which are the same ones you refer to, that the Shed Blood of Christ that saves us.
Water baptism is a beautiful outward symbol of GOD speaking in our hearts, calling us out of darkness whereby we die to the old man and are symbolically resurrected in the NEW MAN = YESHAUH HAMASHIACH = JESUS the MESSIAH
PEACE my Brother - Stay in the LOVE of Christ because BLOOD is thicker then water
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Colossians 2:13-14
Not seeing anything there ^ about needing to be dunked for the forgiveness of our sins. Despite pointing this
and similar Scriptures out I have been accused of not responding to Scripture as well as wanting to argue
i was thinking about what you said = "being baptized in the ocean" and i was like, man that's Beautiful........
Be careful though because someone will eventually say that it did not count because it was in saltwater - lol
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Doubtful any such person was themselves baptized in pure H20, so...
Let's look at what's in our water supply coming out of our taps, shall we?
Arsenic
Atrazine
Calcium
Copper
Chlorine treatment by-products
Chloroforms
Fluoride
Lead
Magnesium
Nitrates
Pathogens: Bacteria, viruses, and parasites
Perchlorate
Pharmaceuticals
Potassium
Radioactive contaminants
Vinyl chloride
And who knows what all else? Oh, sure, some Pharisee may come along
(Lord knows there's no shortage of them!) and attempt to discredit another
on some flim-flam accusatorial grounds. However! I am secure in my salvation
Let's look at what's in our water supply coming out of our taps, shall we?
Arsenic
Atrazine
Calcium
Copper
Chlorine treatment by-products
Chloroforms
Fluoride
Lead
Magnesium
Nitrates
Pathogens: Bacteria, viruses, and parasites
Perchlorate
Pharmaceuticals
Potassium
Radioactive contaminants
Vinyl chloride
And who knows what all else?
Oh, sure, some Pharisee may come along(Lord knows there's no shortage of them!) and attempt to discredit another
on some flim-flam accusatorial grounds. However! I am secure in my salvation
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Doubtful any such person was themselves baptized in pure H20, so...
Let's look at what's in our water supply coming out of our taps, shall we?
Arsenic
Atrazine
Calcium
Copper
Chlorine treatment by-products
Chloroforms
Fluoride
Lead
Magnesium
Nitrates
Pathogens: Bacteria, viruses, and parasites
Perchlorate
Pharmaceuticals
Potassium
Radioactive contaminants
Vinyl chloride
And who knows what all else?
Let's look at what's in our water supply coming out of our taps, shall we?
Arsenic
Atrazine
Calcium
Copper
Chlorine treatment by-products
Chloroforms
Fluoride
Lead
Magnesium
Nitrates
Pathogens: Bacteria, viruses, and parasites
Perchlorate
Pharmaceuticals
Potassium
Radioactive contaminants
Vinyl chloride
And who knows what all else?
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