The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

brightfame52 · May 4, 2022

Redemption brings about Spiritual Adoption !

Gal 4:4-7

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

One of the purposes of Christ's redeeming death, which the religionists are ignorant of, it was in order that those so redeemed by His Death alone, that they should receive the Adoption of Sons, which is the Spirit coming into their hearts. Its a Covenant blessing promised here Ezk 26:27

And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

And because we were Sons of the Covenant, or Children of the Covenant, God sends forth His Spirit into our hearts as promised from Ezekiel, this is New Birth.

Paul calls it the Spirit of Adoption here Rom 8:15

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

This is the same Truth as in Gal 4:4-5. This Blessing does not only apply to jews who were under the Law, but Gentiles also who were under the Law , having it written as it were on their hearts Rom 2:14-15

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law[in a formal fashion as Israel], do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law[in a formal fashion], are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another)

They were under the same moral law before God as was the jews. So they also were included in the promise of receiving The Spirit of Adoption as a result of being redeemed by the death of Christ; In fact Paul had brought that fact out in the previous chapter Gal 3:13-14

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written , Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

This is the same exact blessing as described in Gal 4:4-5 following Redemption.

So whether jew or Gentile, if Christ by His death redeemed one, it brings with it the receiving of the Spirit of Adoption ! For that's a stated Purpose ! 21

brightfame52 · May 5, 2022

Redemption brings about Spiritual Adoption ! 2

All those Jesus Christ died for He redeemed from the curse of the Law Gal 3:13; 4:4 and it was for the purpose that they should receive the Spirit or the Spirit of Adoption Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Gal 4:4-6

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Rom 8:15

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

The word adoption is the greek word Tithemi which means to set or place, to establish as Sons.

By nature the sons of God are in Adam, are in the flesh, and are without spiritual life, alienated from the life of God, however the Spirit by Adoption, which is also New Birth, places them in the realm of the Spirit, before they are in the flesh, by Adoption they are set, or established into the realm of the Spiritual with Spiritual Life.

The word receive is Apolambano and means to receive of what is due or promised

Which is they receive the Promise of the Spirit Gal 3:14, its due because of Christ's Redemption of them !

Now understand, the Sons of God were such in Adam, the Spirit of Adoption or New Birth did not make them so, this we know by two indisputable things, #1 They received the Spirit of Adoption because they were Sons Gal 4:5-6

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because or since ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

That's New Birth, now we have a Right to call God Father, by His Spirit given us !

#2 Because He Loved us with Great Love before He gave us Spiritual Life Jn 3:16 ; Eph 2:4-5 ; 1 Jn 3:1

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

That Love was first bestowed Jn 3:16 in bestowing His Son for Us ! The word Gave in Jn 3:16 is Didomi and means :

to give
to give something to someone of one's own accord to give one something, to his advantage to bestow a gift

In fact its the same word in 1 Jn 3:1 for bestow !

However while the Sons of God are in the flesh, as such they cannot please God Rom 8:8, they are not subject to Him Rom 8:7 and also in the flesh there simply is no evidence that they belong to His Family Rom 8:9

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Remember the Spirit is sent into their heart by Adoption Gal 4:6

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

At this point on, they are never no more in the flesh ! And its only as we are led of the Spirit of Adoption that we are showing to be Sons of God Rom 8:14-16

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Now understand this, all for whom Christ died and redeemed from the curse of the Law Gal 3:13-14, in due time in the good providence of God shall receive the Spirit of Adoption, placing them into God's Spiritual Family as Sons here on earth Gal 4:4-6, and its impossible for one for whom Christ died, not to receive the Spirit of Adoption or Promise, for that would defeat the Purpose of Christ's Redeeming death, and all who deny this Truth are guilty of calling Christ redemptive death a failure and proving to be unsuccessful !

brightfame52 · May 6, 2022

Makes us dead to the Law !

Rom 7:4

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Did you know that everyone Christ died for are born into this world as sinners like other people, the exception being however, they are dead to the Law. Now how are they dead to the Law ? No its not by Faith, its not by repentance, its not by water baptism, its not even by New Birth, its not by obeying anything, its solely by the Body of Christ, meaning His Death ! Yes His Death made them dead to the Law in that it cannot condemn them ever, not it cannot curse them, because it[Christ's Death] has also redeemed them from the curse of the Law, simply because He by His Death was made a curse for them, every one He died for. Gal 3:13 !

Now because this is True, No one Christ died for can be under God's condemnation at all as these are Jn 3:18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

That word condemned is the greek word κρίνω :

I judge, whether in a law-court or privately: sometimes with cognate nouns emphasizing the notion of the verb, (b) I decide, I think (it) good.

It means to judge, to decide:

typically refers to making a determination of right or wrong (innocence or guilt),

The ones not believing here are in a continual state of condemnation or Judgment, the word condemned is also in the perfect tense, they were condemned in a the past and it continues into the present, and that is the reason why they are not believing.

Now this cannot be for anyone Christ died for because Christ took their condemnation upon Himself, in their behalf.

Remember Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

The word curse katara:

cursing; a curse; meton: a doomed one:

properly, what has "to go down" (penalties received) due to condemnation, i.e. the penalty-curse that results when God Himself curses (condemns) something.

See that ? Christ's death has redeemed everyone He died for from condemnation of any kind at the Hands of God's Law and Justice !

So its impossible for the unbelieving in Jn 3:18 to be anyone Christ died for, in fact, that's why they shall remain permanently in unbelief because Christ did not die for them !

Again, this being dead to the Law and redeemed from the curse of the Law for those Christ died for is not because they repent or because they believe, or perform any type of Gospel obedience, but solely because of the Body of Christ being made a curse for them !

Now I know this is a truth that unbelieving religious world cannot accept, but its Truth anyway ! 21

brightfame52 · May 11, 2022

By His Stripes ye were healed !

1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

This is one of the most damaging verses to the false claims of the antichrist teachers, that state that Christ's Death alone or here called His Stripes, does not save those He died for ! One of the meanings of the word healed here is to bring about ones Salvation, to effect it. Its the greek word iaomai:

I heal, generally of the physical, sometimes of spiritual, disease.

iáomai (a primitive verb, NAS dictionary) – healing, particularly as supernatural and bringing attention to the Lord Himself as the Great Physician (cf. Is 53:4,5).

The word is used in Lk 17:15

15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,

/iáomai ("to heal") draws the attention to the Lord, the supernatural Healer, i.e. beyond the physical healing itself and its benefits

The Death of Christ alone emits or sends forth a Supernatural healing unto those He died for !

It means :

to make whole i. e. to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation: Matthew 13:15; John 12:40; Acts 28:27 (from Isaiah 6:10)

In other words, His Stripes causes, effects, brings about the Spiritual conversion of all for whom He died, that's Salvation !

Now Peter by Inspiration of God credits solely the Death of Christ, or His Stripes for the Salvation of the Believers He wrote to !

Again this Truth is damaging to the false witness of those who say, the death of Christ does not save anyone ! It makes them a Liar !

brightfame52 · May 12, 2022

By His Stripes ye were healed ! 2

By His stripes ye were healed means, the punishment due to the sins of those whom sins Christ bare 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

That punishment, God's Wrath due unto their sins, it shall never fall upon them, they shall never have to bear that wrath themselves in their own persons, unless for them Jesus bore their sins in vain, which if that be the case, then by His stripes they were not healed. You see they are only healed if the punishment they deserved for their sins has been taken away by the stripes of Christ, but if someone or some how ,one for whom He died does die in unbelief and their sins as Per those Jn 8:24

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Then God's Justice must be questioned, and the Truth of Christ Himself must be questioned when He saith upon the Cross these words Jn 19:30

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

What is finished ? That our transgressions, their due punishment is finished Dan 9:24

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

That word finish in Jn 19:30 is the greek word Teleo and it means :

to bring to a close, to finish, to end passed, finished

to perform, execute, complete, fulfil, (so that the thing done corresponds to what has been said, the order, command etc.) with special reference to the subject matter, to carry out the contents of a command
with reference also to the form, to do just as commanded, and generally involving the notion of time, to perform the last act which completes a process, to accomplish, fulfil

to pay of tribute

"It is finished or paid" John 19:30

All the punishment due to their sins against God's Law and Justice has been paid in full, there is nothing else due but healing, now they must according to the Divine Justice, must be made whole.

To heal means these things occur:

understand with their heart, and should be converted; that is, see the evidence of miracles, take in the truth of doctrine, understand the meaning of prophecy, and so be turned from darkness, ignorance, and unbelief, to light, knowledge, and faith: See John Gill on Acts 28:27

In other words, everything needed for full Gospel conversion and Faith in Christ is supplied and effected by His Stripes ! To deny this is to deny His victorious death ! 21

brightfame52 · May 13, 2022

That He might bring us to God !

1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Did you know that sinners being converted to God in Faith and Repentance is one of the main purposes of Christ's death " being put to death in the flesh"

And His Resurrection, that all for whom He died might be returned unto God ! Remember it is written Isa 53:6

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all[He was put to death for their iniquities].

Now " the all we who went astray here as the prophet has written" it was all of them that Christ's being put to death in the flesh was to bring back or return to God ! He was as their Shepherd return them back to God, and if each one of them is not brought back or returned to God as it is stated here 1 Pet 2:25

25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

That word returned is Epistrepho and means :

to cause to return, to bring back

Now if each one of those who went astray are not returned back, 100% of them then God's Purpose in Christ's Death and Resurrection has failed, its as simple as that !

The same as, if Christ does not seek and save all that were Lost Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. The same ones as in Isa 53:6 who went astray :

If He does not both seek and save 100 % of those He was to seek and to save, then He is a failure in the Fathers Mission, and everyone who teaches that Christ does not save all whom He came to seek, 100 % of them, you are guilty of calling Him a Failure, and its no way around it, and you must answer to it in the day of Judgment !

FreeGrace2 · May 13, 2022

brightfame52 said:

Yes, notice the subjunctive mood in "might bring us". John told us how Jesus might bring everyone to Himself in John 12:32 - And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:[/QUOTE]
Again, the subjunctive mood.

brightfame52 · May 13, 2022

FreeGrace2 said:

Again, the subjunctive mood.[/QUOTE]
The subjunctive denotes Gods purpose !

FreeGrace2 · May 13, 2022

brightfame52 said:

This shows that you don't understand the subjunctive mood at all.

It is the mood of POTENTIAL. God's purpose is clearly stated in the Word. The subjunctive mood is used for potential actions of people.

Like believing in Christ for savlation. Maybe they will, or maybe they won't.

brightfame52 · May 16, 2022

Put away sin for those He died !

Heb 9:26

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

The word put away in the greek is Athetesis:

abolition, disannulling, put away, rejection

These are very strong words as to what Christ's death accomplished against the sins of those He died for , abolition further means:

to do away with; put an end to; annul; make void, for this is what Daniels Prophecy foretold Dan 9:24

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

To annul means:

(especially of laws or other established rules, usages, etc.) to make void or null; abolish; cancel; invalidate: to annul a marriage.

2.
to reduce to nothing; obliterate.

The Truth here basically, Christ's death alone, for all whom He died, hath cancelled the debt that their sins owed to the Law and Justice of God, for God now has nothing to punish them for, not even unbelief since it was a consequence of their sin ! All penalties against their sins must be cancelled because of the Death of Christ.

For He by the sacrifice of Himself for them hath put away their punishment due unto all their sins, beginning in Adam and all their personal sins thereafter as indicated here Rom 5:16

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

All the wrath and punishment due to all their offences and guilt, He hath put away the penalty of them which was death Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

That death they owed is no longer owed, its put away, the only thing owed them now is Eternal Life through or because of Christ !

The penalty of their sins and all of its consequences, death, unbelief have been done away with. Its like Paul wrote here 2 Tim 1:10

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

If He died for one, He is their Saviour, and if He is ones Saviour, then for them He has abolished death, in all facets of it, Spiritual, Eternal, and Physical, in fact some for whom He died will not even experience physical death, those who are alive at His Coming 1 Cor 15:51-52

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep or die physically, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

All for whom Christ died, death has been abolished, it is no more an option, they must Live, its due unto them through Christ's Work for them. Yes they are naturally born into Spiritual death, however Spiritual life is due them because of the consequences of Christ's death for them, so they are born in order to Live unto God in the day of their visitation !

FreeGrace2 · May 16, 2022

brightfame52 said:

It's real sad that some don't believe the Bible when it says that Christ died for ALL. Which means everyone.

And if "ALL" only means "all of some group/category/kind", they would have been named when the many verses use "all". But we don't find any qualification for "all". It's just simply "all" meaning everyone.

These kinds of mistakes definitely leads people off into false doctrines. Like limited atonement.

brightfame52 · May 18, 2022

Glorying in the Cross not freewill of man !

Gal 6:14

14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by [The Cross] whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

Christ's death, His crucifixion for those He died for produced results unto them, for by its Power it establishes them in a Right Spiritual Relationship with God, it delivers them from this present evil world according to the Will of God Gal 1:3-5

3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

You see the purpose of His death was to deliver from this present evil world, and that my friends is why Paul said that He glories in the Cross, because by it he has been crucified to the world and the world to him, he was delivered from it , not by freewill, but by His Cross !

That word deliver means:

I.
to pluck out, draw out, i.e. root out
II.
to choose out (for one's self), select, one person from many

III.
to rescue, deliver

4 Who gave (yielded) Himself up [to atone] for our sins [and to save and sanctify us], in order to rescue and deliver us from this present wicked age and world order, in accordance with the will and purpose and plan of our God and Father—AMP

Yes being delivered from this present evil world is the same as Paul saying in Gal 6:14

14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

They are or will be delivered from a false religious world system, a friendship with the world James 4:4

4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

1 Jn 2:15

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 22

FreeGrace2 · May 18, 2022

brightfame52 said:

It's always amusing to see Calvinists vainly attempt to discredit free will. As if it is some kind of evil if it existed and has evil powers.

Well, even though Calvinists seem unable to understand, free will is NOTHING more than freedom of choice.

iow, when a person is faced with options from which to choose, they are free to choose either option. And this applies to the gospel message as well. The person is faced with either believing the gospel message of salvation from the lake of fire by trusting in the work of Jesus Christ on the cross, or not. All men are free to do with.

In fact, man is free to believe that creation is from God as Creator or not. Rom 1:19-20. And NO ONE has any excuse for NOT believing that God exists and created the universe. Unless a person believes in Creator God, he/she CANNOT/will not ever believe in heaven or hell, or God's Son, etc.

So it begins with creation. And man is free to believe or reject what God says. That's all free will is.

But Calvinists view free will as man saving himself by his own decision. The Bible never says such nonsense.

But the Bible does teach that God offers salvation through grace to everyone (Titus 2:11) and this salvation is a free gift (Rom 6:23).

So the expression of free will is nothing more than accepting the free gift that is offered.

There is no power in free will. Only opportunity.

Calvinists keep trying to make it into some kind of evil beast that must be destroyed at all costs. They are only embarrassing themselves in their vain attempts.

Mem · May 18, 2022

FreeGrace2 said:

It's always amusing to see Calvinists vainly attempt to discredit free will. As if it is some kind of evil if it existed and has evil powers.

Well, even though Calvinists seem unable to understand, free will is NOTHING more than freedom of choice.

iow, when a person is faced with options from which to choose, they are free to choose either option. And this applies to the gospel message as well. The person is faced with either believing the gospel message of salvation from the lake of fire by trusting in the work of Jesus Christ on the cross, or not. All men are free to do with.

In fact, man is free to believe that creation is from God as Creator or not. Rom 1:19-20. And NO ONE has any excuse for NOT believing that God exists and created the universe. Unless a person believes in Creator God, he/she CANNOT/will not ever believe in heaven or hell, or God's Son, etc.

So it begins with creation. And man is free to believe or reject what God says. That's all free will is.

But Calvinists view free will as man saving himself by his own decision. The Bible never says such nonsense.

But the Bible does teach that God offers salvation through grace to everyone (Titus 2:11) and this salvation is a free gift (Rom 6:23).

So the expression of free will is nothing more than accepting the free gift that is offered.

There is no power in free will. Only opportunity.

Calvinists keep trying to make it into some kind of evil beast that must be destroyed at all costs. They are only embarrassing themselves in their vain attempts.

If I offered a gift and 'made' you take it, would it still be a gift? I'm trying to think of what it then would be called; a force, a demand, an insistence? of salvation?

FreeGrace2 · May 18, 2022

Mem said:

No. In fact, to force something on someone who doesn't want it makes the gift something other than a gift. More like a liability.

All of the above. Yet, there are no verses that teach that God "makes" anyone take the gift. So it's a real wonder why Calvinists believe that? Other than they need to in order to keep their TULIP from wilting off the vine.

Since both Calvinists and Arminians seem totally unaware of the free grace theology, I will point out that my position on eternal security is even stronger than the Calvinists. Those who understand the "P" to be preservation, then I agree wholeheartedly. But those who understand the "P" to be perseverance, then I totally disagree, since the Bible encourages and even admonishes believers to "remain in the faith". That's not perseverance.

brightfame52 · May 18, 2022

Mem said:

I never heard of such a thing, so you asking the wrong one. Did you read the post ? Lets discuss that.

FreeGrace2 · May 18, 2022

Mem said:
If I offered a gift and 'made' you take it, would it still be a gift? I'm trying to think of what it then would be called; a force, a demand, an insistence? of salvation?

brightfame52 said:

You are incorrect. He asked me, not you. It was my post that he quoted in his post.

His question to me hits the Calvinists right between the eyes.

brightfame52 · May 20, 2022

Glorying in the Cross not freewill of man ! 2

See the word world many times in the NT scriptures means false religion or the religious ways of the world, like here Col 2:8,20

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

That's what Paul means by being crucified to the world by the Cross Gal 6:14

Then we have statements by Christ Himself saying to His disciples Jn 15:18-20

18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

The world in this passage is not the irreligious world of pimps, prostitutes, drug attacks, fornicators, thieves and drunkards and so on, but the world here is satanic inspired religion, like as in this case the very religious Pharisees of apostate Judaism !

The world here again are those in the synagogues Jn 16:1-2

These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.

2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

This is the hate from the world that Christ mostly encountered, and what His disciples would encounter, and Jesus calls this the world !

Lets recall saul, later Paul and recall the hate he had against True Christianity Acts 9:1-2

And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

Then he was of the World, but not in a irrelious way, for remember he stated Phil 3:4-6

4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

and then Gal 1:13-14

13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

See, he was not a fornicator, a drunkard and robber, but a exceedingly zealous religious man, probably with the most upright character and morals the flesh can mustard up ! Yet all that was nothing but being part of the world against Christ, and that's mainly the world that Paul is speaking of in Gal 6:14, that not his freewill decision to accept Christ delivered him from it, but the Cross of Christ did, and not only Paul, but it [THE CROSS] delivers all for whom He died from the World, and is every True Christians Boast, and not their so called freewill ! Either the Cross is ones boast or ones freewill, sorry but it cannot be both ! 22

FreeGrace2 · May 20, 2022

brightfame52 said:

It's always amusing to see Calvinists vainly attempt to discredit free will. As if it is some kind of evil if it existed and has evil powers.

Well, even though Calvinists seem unable to understand, free will is NOTHING more than freedom of choice.

iow, when a person is faced with options from which to choose, they are free to choose either option. And this applies to the gospel message as well. The person is faced with either believing the gospel message of salvation from the lake of fire by trusting in the work of Jesus Christ on the cross, or not. All men are free to do with.

In fact, man is free to believe that creation is from God as Creator or not. Rom 1:19-20. And NO ONE has any excuse for NOT believing that God exists and created the universe. Unless a person believes in Creator God, he/she CANNOT/will not ever believe in heaven or hell, or God's Son, etc.

So it begins with creation. And man is free to believe or reject what God says. That's all free will is.

But Calvinists view free will as man saving himself by his own decision. The Bible never says such nonsense.

But the Bible does teach that God offers salvation through grace to everyone (Titus 2:11) and this salvation is a free gift (Rom 6:23).

So the expression of free will is nothing more than accepting the free gift that is offered.

There is no power in free will. Only opportunity.

Calvinists keep trying to make it into some kind of evil beast that must be destroyed at all costs. They are only embarrassing themselves in their vain attempts.

brightfame52 · May 24, 2022

Glorying in the Cross not freewill of man ! 3

Also when stated that those whom Christ died for are redeemed BY HIS BLOOD from a vain conversation received from their fathers 1 Pet 1:18-20

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from or away from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

That's why its impossible for the false teachers in 2 Pet 2:1

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Its impossible for them to have been redeemed by Christ's Blood, for His Blood would redeem them out of false religion, as it does from all iniquity Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from apo all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

That word from apo is the greek prep which means:

of separation of local separation, after verbs of motion from a place i.e. of departing, of fleeing, ...
of separation of a part from the whole where of a whole some part is taken

of any kind of separation of one thing from another by which the union or fellowship of the two is destroyed

The redeemed one by the blood will be separated from false teachers, or they will separate from true believers like 1 Jn 2:19

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Now these things Titus 2:14; 1 Pet 1:18 are the result and effect of Christ Crucified, not a maybe or possible result, but a sure result, and so True Believers shall Glory in the Cross as Paul saith here Gal 6:14

14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

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