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I know Scripture very well, but in the flesh! I want to know him through the revelation of the Spirit! We can understand our interlocutors by the letter, but according to the flesh, but what about the Spirit? Anyone who has reached the walking in the Spirit is no longer evaluates human (spirit) in the eyes, in appearance, in mind! Walking in the Spirit, is evaluated by the Spirit! You have not yet achieved this, and your estimates are wrong. You evaluate and judge by your eyes, mind, and your understanding of Scripture.
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since you do not know me how do you know this?
you say you know Scripture very well but in the flesh.....do you not believe God has given you the Holy Spirit? Or that God will not give you the Holy Spirit if you ask Him?
do you believe you must find guidance from a man. one who has admitted to be fallible. my assessment of him was that he was a scared shepherd boy who ran away when the wolves showed up. He seems to be growing up and doesn't run away anymore.
(note: this is not an attack on you VW. but this guy really respects you perhaps you can redirect him to worship of Jesus and not you?)
I walk with the Spirit and I grow with the guidance of Christ. Perhaps you will learn the true meaning of the following verses. No man can teach you them. Only the Holy Spirit.
Luke 11
9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread[d] from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
Philippians 3:12-14
New King James Version (NKJV)
12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
I no longer wish to speak about VW but would rather focus on Jesus Christ. So if you wish to speak of Jesus we can converse but if you wish to continue your defense of VW instead, then we have nothing to converse about.
Romans 8:33
Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.
you say you know Scripture very well but in the flesh.....do you not believe God has given you the Holy Spirit? Or that God will not give you the Holy Spirit if you ask Him?
do you believe you must find guidance from a man. one who has admitted to be fallible. my assessment of him was that he was a scared shepherd boy who ran away when the wolves showed up. He seems to be growing up and doesn't run away anymore.
(note: this is not an attack on you VW. but this guy really respects you perhaps you can redirect him to worship of Jesus and not you?)
I walk with the Spirit and I grow with the guidance of Christ. Perhaps you will learn the true meaning of the following verses. No man can teach you them. Only the Holy Spirit.
Luke 11
9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread[d] from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
Philippians 3:12-14
New King James Version (NKJV)
12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
I no longer wish to speak about VW but would rather focus on Jesus Christ. So if you wish to speak of Jesus we can converse but if you wish to continue your defense of VW instead, then we have nothing to converse about.
Romans 8:33
Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.
I don't see anyone worshiping me. Where in heaven's name do you get that?
Because I say I am fallible you wish everyone to discredit me? But are you infallible? Why do you feel qualified to offer advice to another? I certainly don't.
And oddly enough, you are the one who keeps bringing me up. All I see this young man doing is thirsting after righteousness, which in his mind comes by the Spirit of Christ. And he is seeking the true knowledge of God, which again comes by the Holy Spirit. That is not defending me.
Your arguments are not even logical.
In Christ,
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Because I say I am fallible you wish everyone to discredit me? But are you infallible? Why do you feel qualified to offer advice to another? I certainly don't.
And oddly enough, you are the one who keeps bringing me up. All I see this young man doing is thirsting after righteousness, which in his mind comes by the Spirit of Christ. And he is seeking the true knowledge of God, which again comes by the Holy Spirit. That is not defending me.
Your arguments are not even logical.
In Christ,
vic
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1. he thinks you have a connection with God that he does not. reread his words
2. I did not discredit you or say I'm infallible. I said you admitted to being fallible and requested that you should tell him to LOOK to JESUS. and PRAY TO JESUS. since he respects and will probably listen to you.
3. I was arguing anything but suggesting he read scripture and pray to GOD and trust that GOD gives the Holy spirit to those who ask and there is not need to have another person for that. which he has not stated he knows or believes.
4. why do you feel like I always attack you and not instead give testimony to Jesus Christ?
My hope was that you might actually read my words without getting all offended and actually see WHY I wrote and not why YOU THINK I wrote my words. It saddens me that you would rather talk about you then about Jesus.
the guy is seeking God's rightousness and is looking to you and your words to show him the way. so your words guides him to God? your words are an example of how a mature Christians behaves?
it is a good things most shepherd boys grow up eventually.
2. I did not discredit you or say I'm infallible. I said you admitted to being fallible and requested that you should tell him to LOOK to JESUS. and PRAY TO JESUS. since he respects and will probably listen to you.
3. I was arguing anything but suggesting he read scripture and pray to GOD and trust that GOD gives the Holy spirit to those who ask and there is not need to have another person for that. which he has not stated he knows or believes.
4. why do you feel like I always attack you and not instead give testimony to Jesus Christ?
My hope was that you might actually read my words without getting all offended and actually see WHY I wrote and not why YOU THINK I wrote my words. It saddens me that you would rather talk about you then about Jesus.
the guy is seeking God's rightousness and is looking to you and your words to show him the way. so your words guides him to God? your words are an example of how a mature Christians behaves?
it is a good things most shepherd boys grow up eventually.
All sermons by
Richard Caldwell Jr.
No More Prophets
8/11/2002 (SUN)
| Bible: Ephesians 4:11
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?sid=81102151228
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I read your words and I comment on your post. I'm sorry if you can not understand what I post.
Luke 6:35
But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil.
1 Corinthians 13:3-5
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
why do you think me so evil that I would constantly attack you? why do you twist my words so they inflict wounds upon yourself?
Luke 6:35
But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil.
1 Corinthians 13:3-5
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
why do you think me so evil that I would constantly attack you? why do you twist my words so they inflict wounds upon yourself?
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wait i missed this one....no one knows you personally VW only your words. so how can anyone judge anything but your words?
"want to become a prophet"?
no not really I just want to become whatever God wants me to be. I don't think it matters what people want to become but what they are in Christ.
anyone who has the Holy Spirit can speak words of prophecy but that does not make them a "prophet" Was King Saul a prophet?
the Spirit of prophecy testifies of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Did the young lady give praise to God for His deliverance of her?
"want to become a prophet"?
no not really I just want to become whatever God wants me to be. I don't think it matters what people want to become but what they are in Christ.
anyone who has the Holy Spirit can speak words of prophecy but that does not make them a "prophet" Was King Saul a prophet?
the Spirit of prophecy testifies of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Did the young lady give praise to God for His deliverance of her?
Maybe when I grow up, as you say, then I will not become upset when another calls mema liar and a deceiver. Something to hope for.
In truth, it is not about me, but about the Holy Spirit and His place in the life of the believer, as Teacher. I would that every believer in Jesus Christ learn to prophecy, and how to hear His voice and learn of Him by His revelation. And that is what makes me dangerous to some, I don't know if you think so, but some do.
In Christ,
In truth, it is not about me, but about the Holy Spirit and His place in the life of the believer, as Teacher. I would that every believer in Jesus Christ learn to prophecy, and how to hear His voice and learn of Him by His revelation. And that is what makes me dangerous to some, I don't know if you think so, but some do.
In Christ,
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nay I don't think you are dangerous. God protects His people and nothing or no one in the world can harm His chosen or take them from His hand.
I would that everyone would grow and become mature to know that it does not matter what others thinks only what God thinks. I would everyone put away childish things and walk in maturity in Christ, myself included.
but anyway I thought about it and you know calling you a young shepherd boy isn't really an insult. Look at the Bible and see who else started as young (or old) shepherds. i guess that is why I was confused to why you would take it as one. however most of the time shepherds are given sheep and are held responsible when the wolves steal from the flock of their Father. Or if they steal from the flock.
as for the liar and deceiver thing. lol did you forget what Jesus said about the matter? do you remember what names Jesus was called? I have yet to see you be called the same. Did you not read what I posted earlier about how God justifies His servants?
my words probably didn't make sense to you because you were looking at them as an attack upon you and making them say something they were never meant to say.
i think there is a difference between speaking words of prophecy which leads people to repentance and acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and proclaiming oneself a prophet. One points to Jesus and the other is just a distraction. just a thought.
I would that everyone would grow and become mature to know that it does not matter what others thinks only what God thinks. I would everyone put away childish things and walk in maturity in Christ, myself included.
but anyway I thought about it and you know calling you a young shepherd boy isn't really an insult. Look at the Bible and see who else started as young (or old) shepherds. i guess that is why I was confused to why you would take it as one. however most of the time shepherds are given sheep and are held responsible when the wolves steal from the flock of their Father. Or if they steal from the flock.
as for the liar and deceiver thing. lol did you forget what Jesus said about the matter? do you remember what names Jesus was called? I have yet to see you be called the same. Did you not read what I posted earlier about how God justifies His servants?
my words probably didn't make sense to you because you were looking at them as an attack upon you and making them say something they were never meant to say.
i think there is a difference between speaking words of prophecy which leads people to repentance and acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and proclaiming oneself a prophet. One points to Jesus and the other is just a distraction. just a thought.
BUMP...........
All sermons by
Richard Caldwell Jr.
No More Prophets
8/11/2002 (SUN)
| Bible: Ephesians 4:11
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?sid=81102151228
All sermons by
Richard Caldwell Jr.
No More Prophets
8/11/2002 (SUN)
| Bible: Ephesians 4:11
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?sid=81102151228
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Do after receiving the Spirit, people will automatically become a saint? Or do you think that having received the Spirit, we can not sin or to interpret the Bible according to the flesh? In fact of the matter that you, even with the Spirit, you can not live in Him and do not receive revelation! The fact that the new creation was delivered without removing the old! The fact that you're born again does not remove the flesh and sin! Many illusions occur in the form of the fact that all that comes to mind after his birth, is God. So you live mixed. Sometimes, in the flesh, and sometimes in the Spirit, but mostly in the flesh! Elimination of sin and the flesh is a matter of a long process, which is called spiritual growth.
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again you judge me without true understanding of the conversation or the motive behind my words but you can continue if you like or you can take a few minutes read/listen and ask what God thinks of the conversation. Yes Spiritual growth is a long process are you working upon yours?
not all things that enter your mind or thoughts will be from God even upon being born again. Study Jesus temptation in the desert from Satan. Read again when Peter spoke words not from God but from Satan or when Paul had to correct Peter later after he had received the Holy Spirit. perhaps you should think upon what the word discernment and wisdom really mean to God's people?
why do you think these verses are so key for people to understand?
2 Corinthians 10:3-6
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
has your obedience been fulfilled?
not all things that enter your mind or thoughts will be from God even upon being born again. Study Jesus temptation in the desert from Satan. Read again when Peter spoke words not from God but from Satan or when Paul had to correct Peter later after he had received the Holy Spirit. perhaps you should think upon what the word discernment and wisdom really mean to God's people?
why do you think these verses are so key for people to understand?
2 Corinthians 10:3-6
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
has your obedience been fulfilled?
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mmm after reading your words again if you mean them to be a generic questioning. then the simple answer would be:
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
you DID listen necto!
and i know what you are saying brother.
i suppose we could get technical and say this is not church (which it isn't - its more like the town square).
and if you missed it, that part is precisely about the female prophets - remember the garden?
will you as a man of God now speak, necto?
at least, what did you think? did you do the work of a Berean?
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and i know what you are saying brother.
i suppose we could get technical and say this is not church (which it isn't - its more like the town square).
and if you missed it, that part is precisely about the female prophets - remember the garden?
will you as a man of God now speak, necto?
at least, what did you think? did you do the work of a Berean?
zone
I am sitting here and praying about this discussion, and the Spirit brings one thing to my heart. Jesus said that it would not be good if one caused a little one to stumble.
I believe that God has put this desire into this man's heart. I am not asking him to follow anything, except the Spirit of God. And you are constantly trying to cause him to stumble. Trip him up so to speak.
You know, once years ago, I read and reread Psalms, because I was lead to by God. I was in a particularly bad time in my life, away from my family, trying to find my way as a christian, with a lot of troubles. And one thing I saw over and over again in the psalms of David was that he was encompassed about with enemies, who laid snares for his feet. Your arguments remind me of those cries that David made to the Lord about his enemies.
If your discernment was working, you would see that this is not good, profitable, nor righteous.
In Christ,
I believe that God has put this desire into this man's heart. I am not asking him to follow anything, except the Spirit of God. And you are constantly trying to cause him to stumble. Trip him up so to speak.
You know, once years ago, I read and reread Psalms, because I was lead to by God. I was in a particularly bad time in my life, away from my family, trying to find my way as a christian, with a lot of troubles. And one thing I saw over and over again in the psalms of David was that he was encompassed about with enemies, who laid snares for his feet. Your arguments remind me of those cries that David made to the Lord about his enemies.
If your discernment was working, you would see that this is not good, profitable, nor righteous.
In Christ,