false gospel

[FireOnTheAltar]

Restore us? So let me guess. You would kick your child out of your family for a white lie. And tell then when they are ready to repent you might let them back in to "restore" them? Because this what people who claim one can lose salvation for sin is doing.

I doubt any mature christian believes that a person can lose their salvation after committing a single sin. I believe where many go wrong is when they think that liberty in Christ means that you are free to sin without genuine humility & repentance. Such an attitude is nothing more than personal pride in your religious beliefs and personal pride of any kind is every bit a form of habitual sin as lust or lying.

 

[Scotth1960]

Eternal security is a another gospel (FALSE gospel) and counterfeit grace message built upon partial truths and Scripture removed from context

Calvinism is false. It's a false gospel.

 

[FireOnTheAltar]

I believe we can live sinlessly, but that doesn't necessarily mean we will

The first step to being perfected is to realize it is not us, but Christ is us and that we on our own would never be able to accomplish anything, only by the grace of God working is us and for us enables us to accomplish perfection. Even then it is not us, but the Holy Spirit working in us that accomplishes this, yet when we get to Heaven we get the credit. Good deal huh?

Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Expanding on that thought made in Philipians 3:3 for one second Lue Engle quotes Mike Bickle in Lue's book ''Nasirite DNA''

''Nazitires who are not living with intimacy with the Lord also face the danger of self righteousness when they rejoice in their commentment to the Lord Jesus and not in Jesus Himself. Just like the Pharisee who despised the tax collector, in Luke 18:9, we will admire our own dedication while looking down on that of others. Too often we judge other by their actions, while judging ourselves by our intentions. The heart of those who rejoice in their own stregnth will end up in one of two pitfalls: either arrogance of accomplishment, like this pharisee, or self hatred as an unworthy son. Only embracing the grace of God to us with humility can help us avoid this''

We not only have to realize that it is God working in us and not our capabilities working for themselves, but we must serve God to the best of our ability out a pure heart of love growing in intimacy with Him, and not our of religious duty to be able to become what God wants us to become in Him while remaining completely humble.

I do believe it's possible however, I also believe it's highly improbable. The problem is that we are born into a fallen world where everyone is basically looking out for their own selfish desires and ambitions thus we learn from a very young age that if we don't look out for for own interests, rarely you will find someone else who will. Basically I believe that selfishness is the source of sinfulness and that the main role of the Holy Spirit in our lives after salvation is to help us get over ourselves and into Christ's likeness. Of course for some this process takes a lot longer than it does for others, especially for those who have been exposed to traumatic experiences throughout their lives.

BTW - I enjoy listening to both Lou & Mike Myself. Damon Thompson & Micheal L. Brown are also personal favs of mine. IHOP, The Ramp & F.I.R.E. School have been 3 of the biggest influence in my christian walk.

 

[FireOnTheAltar]

I don't have a proiblem with Eternal Security, I simply do not believe it's unconditional. When you understand true biblical sanctification, Eternal security begins to make sense. However, I do believe that Unconditional Eternal Security is a farce and, for most who believe in this doctrine, it only leads to religious pride and license to sin freely. I've notice that many, not all, who embrace this doctrine are some of the most prideful and carnal people that profess to be christians that I personally have met.

However, it should be said that Eternally Gratefully is probably one of the few respectful people who embrace this doctrine on these boards.

 

[Grandpa]

I don't have a proiblem with Eternal Security, I simply do not believe it's unconditional. When you understand true biblical sanctification, Eternal security begins to make sense. However, I do believe that Unconditional Eternal Security is a farce and, for most who believe in this doctrine, it only leads to religious pride and license to sin freely. I've notice that many, not all, who embrace this doctrine are some of the most prideful and carnal people that profess to be christians that I personally have met.

However, it should be said that Eternally Gratefully is probably one of the few respectful people who embrace this doctrine on these boards.

God's gifts are unconditional precisely because we can never deserve them. God can never be in our debt. And God doesn't make mistakes. He won't give you something and then later say whoops, I shouldn't have given you that, I better take it back. God knows what He is doing. He is not like us. His ways are far above our ways. That's the Good News. God Loves us and gives us eternal life so that we can be in fellowship with Him. The big mystery to me is why He loves us and gives us eternal life. I don't know the answer to that one but it makes me grateful. This gift of Love that God has given me has made me want to be pleasing to Him, in every way that I can accomplish it. It has made me want to transform my mind to the mind of Christ. It hasn't made me want to take this gift and use it as a license to sin. God Forbid. Without God's love I don't think I could ever have the desire to stop sinning. I know this must sound like circular reasoning, but to me its not.

Do you remember that sunday school song, Oh how I love Jesus? It says - Oh how I love Jesus, because He first loved me. Its these simple things that make what seems to be complex, simple again.

God Bless You

 

[schoolofyoungprophet]

I don't have a proiblem with Eternal Security, I simply do not believe it's unconditional. When you understand true biblical sanctification, Eternal security begins to make sense. However, I do believe that Unconditional Eternal Security is a farce and, for most who believe in this doctrine, it only leads to religious pride and license to sin freely. I've notice that many, not all, who embrace this doctrine are some of the most prideful and carnal people that profess to be christians that I personally have met.

However, it should be said that Eternally Gratefully is probably one of the few respectful people who embrace this doctrine on these boards.

i agree wid u jodie..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't have a proiblem with Eternal Security, I simply do not believe it's unconditional. When you understand true biblical sanctification, Eternal security begins to make sense. However, I do believe that Unconditional Eternal Security is a farce and, for most who believe in this doctrine, it only leads to religious pride and license to sin freely. I've notice that many, not all, who embrace this doctrine are some of the most prideful and carnal people that profess to be christians that I personally have met.

However, it should be said that Eternally Gratefully is probably one of the few respectful people who embrace this doctrine on these boards.

Thanks for the compliment.

I have seen both sides of the argument. I hate the "pridefull free grace crowd" you speak of. They mock the grace of God. and make people like me look bad.

I have also seen people who do not believe in unconditional grace do the same. My father was one of them. I hated his judgmental holier than though attitude when we talked to anyone about God. especially when he was not what he preached at home. I think people who are afraid they will lose their eternal life if they do not "live up to a standard" are afraid, and use their judgmental attitude to make themselves feel good. We also have the " I don't drink smoke or whatever crowd" who think that just because they do not do what they consider "grave" sins think they are more righteous than everyone else. thus more deserving of Gods salvation. It comes out as pride and arrogance and is a big turn off.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I doubt any mature christian believes that a person can lose their salvation after committing a single sin. I believe where many go wrong is when they think that liberty in Christ means that you are free to sin without genuine humility & repentance. Such an attitude is nothing more than personal pride in your religious beliefs and personal pride of any kind is every bit a form of habitual sin as lust or lying.

Scripture calls this Licentiousness. Jude said their eternal fate was predetermined.

The difference here is many think they lost eternal. I believe they never had it, because God knew their hearts.

 

[4runner]

Restore us? So let me guess. You would kick your child out of your family for a white lie. And tell then when they are ready to repent you might let them back in to "restore" them? Because this what people who claim one can lose salvation for sin is doing.

I doubt any mature christian believes that a person can lose their salvation after committing a single sin. .

Sadly FireOnTheAltar, this is nothing more than eg's attempt at a straw man, so he can tear down beliefs that aren't even believed rather than facing the truth.

 

[4runner]

BTW - I enjoy listening to both Lou & Mike Myself. Damon Thompson & Micheal L. Brown are also personal favs of mine. IHOP, The Ramp & F.I.R.E. School have been 3 of the biggest influence in my christian walk.

Yes IHOP, and the Ramp are both awesome resources, I will have to check out F.I.R.E.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sadly FireOnTheAltar, this is nothing more than eg's attempt at a straw man, so he can tear down beliefs that aren't even believed rather than facing the truth.

Facing the truth of what? That people want to turns Gods gift into a prize which must be earned by living a righteous life. Which no man can do?

This is the pride I spoke of which comes from legalism.

 

[4runner]

I don't have a proiblem with Eternal Security, I simply do not believe it's unconditional. When you understand true biblical sanctification, Eternal security begins to make sense. However, I do believe that Unconditional Eternal Security is a farce and, for most who believe in this doctrine, it only leads to religious pride and license to sin freely. I've notice that many, not all, who embrace this doctrine are some of the most prideful and carnal people that profess to be christians that I personally have met.

:Thumbs up:

 

[4runner]

Facing the truth of what? That people want to turns Gods gift into a prize which must be earned by living a righteous life. Which no man can do?

This is the pride I spoke of which comes from legalism.

The truth that man can choose to walk away from their faith the same way they chose the receive it. You cannot ''loose your salvation'', but you can choose to give it back

Just like people we must check the fruit of doctrines, and eternal security produces bad fruit.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The truth that man can choose to walk away from their faith the same way they chose the receive it. You cannot ''loose your salvation'', but you can choose to give it back

Just like people we must check the fruit of doctrines, and eternal security produces bad fruit.

So your saying God is going to give something to someone he knows in his omniscience really does not want it in the first place?

A person who walks away and no longer has faith. what would he be? Since he is not for Christ. he would be against or "anti-Christ" would he not.

John speaks of these people in his epistle. He states quite clearly those who have walked away were never of us. For if they were of us, they never would have departed. The departed to PROVE they were never of us. They were fakes. Going through a fad, It seemed right at the time, or it seemed true. But their faith was not in what they said it was in. They never had faith. They had a feeling. or just wanted to try it out and see if it fit them.

Not to mention. It takes work to keep a good faith. We are under attack by satan himself. And not everyone grows to be a super mature christian. Baby's lose faith all the time and remain in a child state. Not lost their faith/ But lost their purpose. The people are not rejected by God because they had little faith. God said faith a mustard seed is enough. He wants to grow that mustard seed into a huge tree. unfortunately not everyone grows into this large tree. but God is not going to reject them because their faith never grew. he will just not be able to bless them very much or give them what he really wants to give them. and probably will induce chastening.

These people are not those who lost faith. so they are different thats why i do not believe God will reject them, as he already did the first group.

any by the way. Why are you judging me? you do not know the friut I have produced. You know nothing of me. I have seen poeple who believe as you do produce nothing for God but their own pride and judgment on everyone around them. Not saying this is you. I don't know you. Just saying be carefull who you judge especially when you do not know them! It goes both ways!

 

[schoolofyoungprophet]

Hebrews 10:24-31

New International Version (NIV)


24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching. 26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[a] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”[b] 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[schoolofyoungprophet]

but the good news is God has given us grace and Holy spirit which empowers us to do what is right and live for him and for none other

 

[AnandaHya]

The truth that man can choose to walk away from their faith the same way they chose the receive it. You cannot ''loose your salvation'', but you can choose to give it back

Just like people we must check the fruit of doctrines, and eternal security produces bad fruit.

ah you misundertand. you see EG has already said he believes those people never had salvation to begin with or they would never have "walked away"

people who have true salvation would not seek ways to cover their sins but would confess and ask God to cleanse them of it all. I see how both things can be misunderstood.

Satan would like people to become legalist or think licentiousness is allowed by the concept of "free grace"

God's grace is not "free" it was paid for by Jesus at the Cross and people should remember that love that was given so that we might have imputed righteousness and the honor of being adopted and call God our Abba.

The HEART must believe not just confession of the mouth but transformation of the heart and the gift of the Holy Spirit. Those things can never be made null, but people can deceive themselves into thinking they have them but do not.

one telling question is: when you wake up in the morning what is your first thoughts? when you go to bed at night what is your last thing that you think about or do?

If the answer is not to praise God for HIs many blessings then perhaps you should reexamine your heart and see if you are being faithful to the Lord or has allowed the world to seduce you.

I try and remind myself of that Truth daily and question my own heart and sometimes I am shown that I fall short and have to ask God to forgive me for my transgressions. that is why JEsus taught us to pray:

Our Heavenly Father, Hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on Earth as it in HEaven, Give us TODAY our daily Bread. Forgive us our Trespasses as we forgive those who tresspass against us. Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from Evil. for thine is the power and the glory forever and ever. Amen.

notice we do this DAILY. We need forgiveness of tresspass because we do this daily as well though hopefully when Jesus teaches us his ways and points out our mistakes we do not repeat ths same old sin over and over again. I try to forgive everyone not because I'm holier then them but because I know how much I need to be forgiven.

Anyways, may God bless you all. I'm traveling home today and traveling always makes me slightly nervous so if you would keep us in your prayers for safety it would be appreciated

 

[schoolofyoungprophet]

God be wid u sis,i pray u have a safe travel in Jesus name!

 

[AnandaHya]

but the good news is God has given us grace and Holy spirit which empowers us to do what is right and live for him and for none other

Amen brother amen to that Praise God who is merciful thanks for the prayers we all need as many blessings said over as us all the time because that is what Jesus told us to do for one another to bless and not curse

 

[loveschild]

Eternal security is a another gospel (FALSE gospel) and counterfeit grace message built upon partial truths and Scripture removed from context

Matthew 16:25
For whoever is bent on saving his [temporal] life [his comfort and security here] shall lose it [eternal life]; and whoever loses his life [his comfort and security here] for My sake shall find it [life everlasting].