Adam and Eve first people on earth?

[GaryA]

Are you promoting bestiality?

Thanks - I was planning to post an explanation as to why scripture does not suggest that God was trying to "set Adam up" with an animal.

This was one of the main points.

"The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit." (John 3:8)

This was a good answer.

 

[Live4Him3]

This was a good answer.

You know me.

I'll never pass up an opportunity to post scripture.

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

No.

Exceedingly wrong.

Genesis chapter 2

[18] And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
[19] And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
[20] And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
[21] And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
[22] And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
[23] And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
[24] Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
[25] And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

God brought the beasts of the field and every fowl unto Adam to see what he would call them.

Are you promoting bestiality?

You conveniently ignored the part that I actually mentioned.

Namely this:

"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." (Genesis 1:28)

How did God intend for this to happen apart from sexual intercourse between Adam and Eve?

Try not to avoid my actual point/question should you choose to respond.



"The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit." (John 3:8)

Don't you read your own quotes
[18] And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
...
[20] And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
There was no animal that he wanted as helper. Then they created Eve. Afterthought, don't you think?

Sex with helpers?
I certainly hope you are not in a managerial position. Expecting sex from a helper?

"Be fruitful and multiply". As it states, copulate and populate.

You are certainly blustery and your spirit is quite evident, not what I would categorize as holy.

 

[Live4Him3]

You are certainly blustery and your spirit is quite evident, not what I would categorize as holy.

Coming from a heretic like you, I'll take that as a compliment.

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

Are you striving for the heretical gold medal?

If so, then you're almost there.

What a bunch of embarrassing (seriously, hang your head in shame before God and repent) nonsense this is.

There are so many ways to refute this rubbish that I'm not even sure where to begin.

Here, try this on for size:

Galatians chapter 4

[4] But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
[5] To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

How in the world, in your ridiculous scenario, was Christ going to be born of Mary and born under the law to redeem them that were under the law in the fulness of time if Adam and Eve hadn't procreated?

Seriously, walk away from your keyboard, drop down on your knees, and confess your sins before God.

If not, then at least spare us any more of your madness and folly.

Your ranting is of no value to me. Your disposition indicates a serious personality problem. IMO.

Quoting Galatians 4 indicates the consequence of the fall, not the necessity of procreation.

Turn off the channel, dude. Please.

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

Genesis 3:22 says no such thing.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

I think you are being disingenuous.

 

[Live4Him3]

Your ranting is of no value to me. Your disposition indicates a serious personality problem. IMO.

Quoting Galatians 4 indicates the consequence of the fall, not the necessity of procreation.

Turn off the channel, dude. Please.

Nope.

Jesus was foreordained to be the Lamb of God before the foundation of the world, and God knew exactly at what point in history his first coming would be.

Again, there was necessary procreation in order for all of that to be fulfilled.

Any non-heretic could easily understand the same, which is why it escapes you.

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

It was forbidden for him to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but he did anyway.

We are not using what you would do thousands of years later to shape our theological beliefs.

No one's asking you too. Just avoid disingenuity. Not eating something that is freely given and given to you , is awkward thinkng.

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

This race for the heretical gold medal between Ken and LactoseIntolerant is going down to the wire.

Listen closely, Ken...

God's plan of salvation from sin began BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.

We read:

I Peter chapter 1

[17] And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
[18] Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
[19] But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
[20] Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
[21] Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, God, in his foreknowledge, knew that Adam would sin and that Christ's blood would need to be spilled in order to redeem fallen mankind.

Got it?

Now, tell us how in the world Christ was going to be born in the fulness of times if "Adam was never intended to be a sexual creature" as the other heretic alleges?

For crying out loud, Ken, Mary would have never been born, Jesus would have never been born, and you and I would have never been born.

Excuse my plainness of speech, but in light of your persistent heresies, it would be better for you if you had never been born...unless you come to your senses and repent of your heretical nonsense.

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

This race for the heretical gold medal between Ken and LactoseIntolerant is going down to the wire.

Listen closely, Ken...

God's plan of salvation from sin began BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.

We read:

I Peter chapter 1

[17] And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
[18] Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
[19] But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
[20] Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
[21] Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, God, in his foreknowledge, knew that Adam would sin and that Christ's blood would need to be spilled in order to redeem fallen mankind.

Got it?

Now, tell us how in the world Christ was going to be born in the fulness of times if "Adam was never intended to be a sexual creature" as the other heretic alleges?

For crying out loud, Ken, Mary would have never been born, Jesus would have never been born, and you and I would have never been born.

Excuse my plainness of speech, but in light of your persistent heresies, it would be better for you if you had never been born...unless you come to your senses and repent of your heretical nonsense.

Here is your narrative.

God deliberately populates the earth and foreordains His Only Begotten Son to die for the sinners, so that a majority can be burnt in a lake of fire. Are you a gnostic? You are describing the demiurge.

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

You seem to think God's original plan was to create just one man and one man only to give Him glory.

I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’ and to the south, ‘Do not hold them back!’ Bring My sons from afar,
and My daughters from the ends of the earth— everyone called by My name and created for My glory,
whom I have indeed formed and made. Bring out a people who have eyes but are blind, and who have
ears but are deaf. All the nations gather together and the peoples assemble. Who among them can
declare this, and proclaim to us the former things? Let them present their witnesses to vindicate
them, so that others may hear and say, “It is true.” “You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and
My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may consider and believe Me and understand that
I am He. Before Me no god was formed, and after Me none will come."

Isaiah 46:10

After the fall, procreation was rampant. That is why there are nations.
If God can do anything He wants why a procreative set of humans?

 

[Magenta]

No one's asking you too. Just avoid disingenuity. Not eating something that is freely given and given to you , is awkward thinkng.

You brought it up first. Stop being so dishonest.

 

[Live4Him3]

Here is your narrative.

God deliberately populates the earth and foreordains His Only Begotten Son to die for the sinners, so that a majority can be burnt in a lake of fire. Are you a gnostic? You are describing the demiurge.

God had the remedy prepared before the problem ever existed.

Those who will burn in the lake of fire will do so because they hated the light and loved darkness.

It's their faults, and not God's fault.

Anyhow, you obviously don't understand anything about God or the Bible, nor do you seemingly have any real desire to do so.

With such being the case, I've just become "LactoseIntolerant" intolerant.

I'll leave you in the same heretical state that I found you in, and you'll have no one to blame for your folly in the end but your own stiff-necked and impenitent self.

 

[Live4Him3]

You brought it up first. Stop being so dishonest.

A corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit.

 

[Magenta]

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

I think you are being disingenuous.

Once again Gen 3:22 says otherwise. Adam was immortal (with the Grace of God). Jesus is the only way for the children of Adam.

Genesis 3:22 still doesn't say what you claim no matter how many times you repeat the falsehood.

In fact it says the opposite

Adam was not created immortal. He did not eat from the Tree of Life. He was prevented from doing so after sinning.

 

[RizenPhoenix]

Where Adam and Eve the first people God Created?​

The short answer is no. Before you call me crazy lets go to the bible and see what Gods word says.

Let's pick it up in the 6th day of creation.



Genesis 1.

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.



Verse 26. God said “Let us make man in our image, after our image” That would in His image as well as the angles. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea “fisherman” over the fowl of the air, cattle, ranchers, herdsman, and every creeping thing on the earth hunters

Verse 27. God created both men and woman at the same time.

Verse 28. God blessed them and said unto them “plural, more than one”

Verse 29. God sets up some people to gather fruit, seeds and herbs,

Verse 30. All the animals shell eat off the land.

Verse 31. God looked at everything that He had made and He said it was good; very good.



Genesis 2.

1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.



The 7th day God rested from all His work. God blessed the 7th day



4These are the generations “family history” of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.



Verse 4This is the time line for every thing that has been created up to this time.

Verse 5 Notice in this verse every plant of the field. There were no farm plants, no corn, no wheat . . . AND there was NO MAN: “ what about all the men and woman God just created on day 6 before He rested on day 7?” This is a different man to till the ground. To cultivate the ground, to farm the ground, to be the farmer. Different from the fishermen, hunters, gathers.

Verse 6. God brings a mist a dew, a watering of the ground so that everything can grow. With the mud that was created by this God does something with it and in verse 7 we will find out what that is.

Verse 7. And the LORD GOD formed man “The man Adam” The man that God would use to bring His people Israel into the world. Stop right here and go back to the end of day 6. What id God say about those men and woman “ They were good very good. God is not a raciest, God loves all His children. Remember the Song Jesus loves all the children of the world red and yellow, black and white they are precious in His sight.” The people that His son would be born into. He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul. Did He give the people created on the 6th day a soul yes He did. He gave them a human soul a soul libel to die. Adam had the chance to live in the garden for ever, but different study for a different time.

I am not going to copy off the rest of chapter two we will just highlight it.

Verses 8-14 God creates the Garden of Eden for Adam.



Verses 15&16 God puts Adam into the garden to keep it. To be the gardener the farmer of the garden. God does tell Adam there is one tree the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Different time Different study is it really a tree.



Strong's Concordance

of the knowledge: Strong's Hebrew 1847: 1) knowledge 1a) knowledge, perception, skill 1b) discernment, understanding, wisdom



Verses 17-20 God brings the animals of the garden for Adam to name and see if any will make a good mate for him.



Verses 20-24. God takes a part of Adam and makes him a mate Woman Eve. How long has it been sense God created the men and women of the 6th day. Why were the women of the 6th day not brought to Adam for a wife? Just as Adam was to be the male line for His people God also knew that Eve would be the womb of his people.

Let me ask a question that I have asked before. Why did God make multiple men and women on day 6? We know where the Israelite came from Adam and Eve. That does not answer the question about all the races. This is why He created the men and women of the 6th day.

If you want to believe that all people came from Adam and Eve you have to believe in a form of evolution. There is no way that 2 people of the same race and have a baby of a third race. Just cannot happen. That is as realistic as a man being a berthing person.

Genesis has two intervals meaning it starts the same story over. Chapter 1 starts the creation story then it chapter 2 repeats. Chap 1:26 and Chap 2:7 are referring to the creation of Adam and Eve. It is as though who ever wrote the book (supposedly Moses) he wrote it in two phases and changed some of the details around. Black people can have lighter skinned children with little melanin. I know I am black and my husband is darker than I. However, my Son is practically a white child and thought he was up until he finished 2nd grade. I also know a woman that was married to a white man and had a Caucasian child. However, the Caucasian race cannot have black or melanin children. Scientist can attest to our gene pool. There are even archaic black Asians in African. Most people (of all races) have sub-Saharan African in them when they do their DNA. They took it off DNA tracing because "people" where getting angry to discover they had black genes, and they changed the % as "Other".

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

so you see that Jesus could not take an earthly wife =]

The lamb is pure. Period. The argument was that the sexual organs were the indication that Adam and Eve were sexual creatures from the outset.

 

[RizenPhoenix]

Genesis 3:22 still doesn't say what you claim no matter how many times you repeat the falsehood.

In fact it says the opposite

Adam was not created immortal. He did not eat from the Tree of Life. He was prevented from doing so after sinning.

Immortals do not die, Adam clearly died and went back to dust.

 

[Magenta]

After the fall, procreation was rampant. That is why there are nations.
If God can do anything He wants why a procreative set of humans?

There are nations because God scattered the people and caused them to speak different languages.

Perhaps you should read the Bible. Just a thought.

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

but animals - who are also living souls - have no sin

Ecclesiastes 3:19-20 For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity. All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return.

Without the Grace of God , we are dust like the beasts. Sin denies you the Spirit endowed by God.