Who is the king of the north?

[zone]

Can we step back and recap here? There seems to be several conversations, can we list
them?

1) Are we talking about a history of rulers or kings from the north

2) Are we talking about current events > general discussion

3) Are we talking about the Crusades?

4) Are we talking about Revelation and future events? >> talking to Laddie

5) Are we limiting 'north'-- to -- ' that north of Jerusalem'?

- What about coming out of the North such as Russia or Canada?
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-- Please don't respond yes or no -- but with a few sentences on each category (and others)
to help re-focus the thread -- thank you.

i ADORE your efficiency DA!
haha!

5) Are we limiting 'north'-- to -- ' that north of Jerusalem'?

 

[zone]

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ok.
i read all that. what?
and have seen it all before: just one question.

are you teaching it? or exposing it?

(Jesus was born c. September 29th, btw....miraculous conception likely Dec 25)

 

[Lad]

Interesting fact, the only way mary couldve gotten pregnant while keeping in line with Yeshua being completely human and completely God would be for the Spirit to have created sperm and made sure it connected with Marys egg.

Just a little sidenote there.

 

[TDWP22]

Interesting fact, the only way mary couldve gotten pregnant while keeping in line with Yeshua being completely human and completely God would be for the Spirit to have created sperm and made sure it connected with Marys egg.

Just a little sidenote there.

or maybe God did some "holy genetic engineering"

 

[Lad]

or maybe God did some "holy genetic engineering"

What??.........

 

[Laodicea]

i ADORE your efficiency DA!
haha!

5) Are we limiting 'north'-- to -- ' that north of Jerusalem'?

Ezekiel 5:5
(5) Thus saith the Lord GOD; This is Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries that are round about her.

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

popular islam has nothing to do with this (except as another pawn).

True, as I have been saying all along.

......53 towers
+ 613 laws
--------------------
...666 -- just a player in the game in the hands of the 666

There's only one man named Adonikam in the Bible, although he plays no role in it. His
family is reported among the first wave to returned from exile by both Ezra, who counts
666 members (2:13) and Nehemiah, who counts 667 members (7:18). Ezra reports a
secondary surge of Adonikamites returning with the second wave, and counts 63 males,
among whom Eliphet, Jeuel and Shemaiah (8:13).

The name Adonikam consists of two elements:

1) The first part is the word adonai, which means my lord, or lord of. Please see the name
Adonai for details and for more names derived of this word.

As shown in Mark 5:41, this verb also exists in Aramaic. Jesus uses it when he rises Jairus'
daughter from the dead by saying, "talitha kum".

For a meaning of the name Adonikam, BDB Theological Dictionary and NOBS Study Bible
Name List both read My Lord Has Risen. Alfred Jones (Dictionary of Old Testament Proper
Names) goes with the derivation

(qim), meaning adversary, and reads rather oddly
Lord Of Enemies.

Other names derived of the verb qum are Azrikam Jakim, Jekameam, Jekamiah,
Jokmeam. Kamon, Kemuel and Koa.

 

[Necto]

do you believe in soul sleep?

if yes, then we have not much to say.

if no, then having received eternal life the moment you were justified, where are you going when your flesh body dies?

that is the first resurrection. these people are never in danger of the second death, since they have already been raised from death to life.

we will get our glorifed bodies at the Second, the Second Advent ("we shall be changed")

john says he SAW the SOULS of those who had been killed, etc.

those souls cry out for vengence ON EARTH, yet are given robes and told to rest awhile longer until their fellow servants are also killed. where are those souls that cry out?

~

according to your scenario, Jesus comes and sets up a kingdom on earth WITH sinful flesh (resurrected? - is this the first resurrection?) alongside glorifed saints (? is this the first resurrection?) and a Glorified Christ.

how does it work exactly? please explain the 2 resurrections with your literal 1,000 years in between.
thank you.

Even if you are justified, and the life of Christ has entered into you, it does not mean that you've reached perfection! Otherwise, it turns out that the rule will be all! Reached the resurrection - it reached perfection! Next. The second coming of the Lord on Earth not to establish the eternity but to establish the milenium. You're confusing milenium with its preparation ! What are you already perfect? You say that the resurrection has already happened! Or are you already resurrected, but somehow not up to the end? You say that everything must be according to Scripture, but it does not prevent you interpret it as you likes! Thus you have the Scriptures, but not the Spirit, which is needed by us for the revelation of Scripture. That's why we say that you need to hear and distinguish the Holy Spirit from other spirits and the flesh! That is why the Scriptures are not above God, and it has become an idol. Do you blame others for what they are false prophets! But you yourself spread a new interpretation of Scripture, and thus claim to be the accuracy of their claims! You are a prophet of the Christians - the reformers, who interpret the Bible in a new way!You have not even a hint there that you could be wrong, because you think that what you say - correctly!

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

ok.
i read all that. what?
and have seen it all before: just one question.

are you teaching it? or exposing it?

(Jesus was born c. September 29th, btw....miraculous conception likely Dec 25)

Zone said: and have seen it all before: just one question. are you teaching it? or exposing it?

Allegory and Allusion my dear, just referencing the history -- PRDS

Zone said: (Jesus was born c. September 29th, btw....miraculous conception likely Dec 25)

That is true. The Bacchus festival was a spring [equinox] fertility rite. The "12 days of
Christmas" whereby a pregnancy that occurred at this time would bring about a solstice
birth. (to the Chinese - Sheng Dan -- literally 'good egg' popularly -- 'revered birth'). This
is "March Madness" (sports/baal) or Ides of March (3-15), or St. Patrick's day (3-17) of
today. (I live in area code 315). (St. Patrick's PaRaDeS and green beer PaRDieS).

A 3-13 (Palindromic) conception with a 282 (palindromic) day gestation would result in a
12-21 (palindromic) birth. This is the winter solstice. Add 4 days to get St. Patrick's day
3-17 and the calculation gets a 12-25 birth.

Likewise, a December (Hanukkah, solstice) conception would result in an Autumnal
Equinox birth. 9-29 *(also palindromic). This time period is also known as "The Feast of
Tabernacles" (or Feast of Booths). This is more biblically aligned, I agree with you again.
(note for example Julian dates shift a day if a leap year, but for example 12-21-2000 +
282 days results in a 9-29, 2001 calculation).

 

[Lad]

Zone said: and have seen it all before: just one question. are you teaching it? or exposing it?

Allegory and Allusion my dear, just referencing the history -- PRDS

Zone said: (Jesus was born c. September 29th, btw....miraculous conception likely Dec 25)

That is true. The Bacchus festival was a spring [equinox] fertility rite. The "12 days of
Christmas" whereby a pregnancy that occurred at this time would bring about a solstice
birth. (to the Chinese - Sheng Dan -- literally 'good egg' popularly -- 'revered birth'). This
is "March Madness" (sports/baal) or Ides of March (3-15), or St. Patrick's day (3-17) of
today. (I live in area code 315). (St. Patrick's PaRaDeS and green beer PaRDieS).

A 3-13 (Palindromic) conception with a 282 (palindromic) day gestation would result in a
12-21 (palindromic) birth. This is the winter solstice. Add 4 days to get St. Patrick's day
3-17 and the calculation gets a 12-25 birth.

Likewise, a December (Hanukkah, solstice) conception would result in an Autumnal
Equinox birth. 9-29 *(also palindromic). This time period is also known as "The Feast of
Tabernacles" (or Feast of Booths). This is more biblically aligned, I agree with you again.
(note for example Julian dates shift a day if a leap year, but for example 12-21-2000 +
282 days results in a 9-29, 2001 calculation).

uhhh thats green beer parTies

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

uhhh thats green beer parTies

The Linguistic subset of Etymology uses a system called Transliteration:
(huuked on fonix baby, huuked on fonix)

 

[zone]

Zone said: and have seen it all before: just one question. are you teaching it? or exposing it?

Allegory and Allusion my dear, just referencing the history -- PRDS

Zone said: (Jesus was born c. September 29th, btw....miraculous conception likely Dec 25)

That is true. The Bacchus festival was a spring [equinox] fertility rite. The "12 days of
Christmas" whereby a pregnancy that occurred at this time would bring about a solstice
birth. (to the Chinese - Sheng Dan -- literally 'good egg' popularly -- 'revered birth'). This
is "March Madness" (sports/baal) or Ides of March (3-15), or St. Patrick's day (3-17) of
today. (I live in area code 315). (St. Patrick's PaRaDeS and green beer PaRDieS).

A 3-13 (Palindromic) conception with a 282 (palindromic) day gestation would result in a
12-21 (palindromic) birth. This is the winter solstice. Add 4 days to get St. Patrick's day
3-17 and the calculation gets a 12-25 birth.

Likewise, a December (Hanukkah, solstice) conception would result in an Autumnal
Equinox birth. 9-29 *(also palindromic). This time period is also known as "The Feast of
Tabernacles" (or Feast of Booths). This is more biblically aligned, I agree with you again.
(note for example Julian dates shift a day if a leap year, but for example 12-21-2000 +
282 days results in a 9-29, 2001 calculation).

right.
so we've done a thorough examination of satan's counterfeits throughout history. perfect.

a disclaimer from you about whether these posts are intended to cast doubt on Christ or expose pagan counterfeits would be helpful, dear.
thank you.
zone.

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

right.
so we've done a thorough examination of satan's counterfeits throughout history. perfect.

a disclaimer from you about whether these posts are intended to cast doubt on Christ or expose pagan counterfeits would be helpful, dear.
thank you.
zone.

Rudolph the Red, knows rain dear:

Understand the concept of allegory and allusion. There is discussion here on 1000 years
for example. These things have meaning. In order that Jesus be given the preeminence
in all things, it is necessary to do away with, or to take over, or to fulfill these things. To
expose such things is, literally -- REVELATION!

Acts 7:22
And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in
deeds.

1 Corinthians 1:19-20
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the
understanding of the prudent.

Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God
made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1 Corinthians 2:7
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God
ordained before the world unto our glory:

1 Corinthians 3:18-19
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let
him become a fool, that he may be wise.

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in
their own craftiness.

Ephesians 3:9-11
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning
of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be
known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

Colossians 2:2-4
That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of
the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and
of the Father, and of Christ;

In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

Revelation 5:12
Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches,
and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is
the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Revelation 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which
the woman sitteth.

 

[zone]

Rudolph the Red, knows rain dear:

Understand the concept of allegory and allusion. There is discussion here on 1000 years
for example. These things have meaning. In order that Jesus be given the preeminence
in all things, it is necessary to do away with, or to take over, or to fulfill these things. To
expose such things is, literally -- REVELATION!Revelation 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which
the woman sitteth.

that's all you had to say, dear...

understanding allegories and allusions is good. do they all end up as illusions....?

i.e: what is this really saying?:

Revelation 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

 

[schoolofyoungprophet]

i dont kno who the king of the north is,but i do know his king lol
Jesus who is the king of all kings and the lord of all lords
hallelujah!

 

[Tobby17]

i dont kno who the king of the north is,but i do know his king lol
Jesus who is the king of all kings and the lord of all lords
hallelujah!

Where is the like button..lol

Can we all just stop this argument and wait till the end of the world to tell...

 

[Necto]

DISPENSATIONAL fantasy.

Daniel 9 is fulfilled.

no GAPS - Scofield needed them though...

And why do you think that Scofield was not right, but you're right? You're not how much is not holier than him! The gap really is between the sevens! And it is easy to prove (not just for the zone!). We are forgiven, and not because Christ had to fulfill all the sevens, but because he's dead! And if not, then he died in vain. Paul says nothing about the sevens, but only the death of Christ as a redemptive sacrifice. And the only zone ties the victim to Weeks! Zone emphasizes the sevens, but Paul emphasizes the death of Christ! Zone claims to be a new prophet.

 

[zone]

And why do you think that Scofield was not right, but you're right? You're not how much is not holier than him! The gap really is between the sevens! And it is easy to prove (not just for the zone!). We are forgiven, and not because Christ had to fulfill all the sevens, but because he's dead! And if not, then he died in vain. Paul says nothing about the sevens, but only the death of Christ as a redemptive sacrifice. And the only zone ties the victim to Weeks! Zone emphasizes the sevens, but Paul emphasizes the death of Christ! Zone claims to be a new prophet.

oh how silly necto i neither received the prophecy, nor wrote it down.

i surely didn't insert a 2000 year gap in there

i can read it though. do we need the gift of prophecy to be able to read with understanding?
or do we need the Holy Spirit?

Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

that's all you had to say, dear...

understanding allegories and allusions is good. do they all end up as illusions....?

i.e: what is this really saying?:

Revelation 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Princess Post-a-lot here seems to get right back to the root of the matter.

Rome is called 'The City on Seven Hills" and the woman is the Roman Church.

I also agree that Daniel 9 is fulfilled in the sense of the 70 week prophecy, but also must
assert that Jesus relayed a continuation of the same. Speaking in a future sense of
Daniel's "abomination that causes desolation" and --

from the Isaiah Scroll, all but the judgment, which is to come ...

Luke 4:16 He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he
went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. 17 The scroll of the
prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:

18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me
because he has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to release the oppressed,
19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”

20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of
everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, 21 and he began by saying to them,
“Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”


Isaiah 61The Year of the LORD’s Favor

1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me,
because the LORD has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim freedom for the captives
and release from darkness for the prisoners,
2 to proclaim the year of the LORD’s favor
and the day of vengeance of our God, ... <<--- He left that out for a future time

 

[zone]

understanding allegories and allusions is good. do they all end up as illusions....?

i.e: what is this really saying?:

Revelation 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Princess Post-a-lot here seems to get right back to the root of the matter.

Rome is called 'The City on Seven Hills" and the woman is the Roman Church.

welcome to the world of ILLUSIONS (and delusions)

Revelation 11:8
Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.