A 'Merican response to school shootin's

[hornetguy]

@JTB think about this very simply okay?

There are many crazy people in the world. They exist.
‘The difference is that here in US, a crazy person can easily get a high powered weapon and cause more death very quickly compared to other places in the world.

It’s as simple as that.

Guns are the issue. This is why Guns NOT people were banned at the NRA Trump meeting.

So what do you see as a solution to the crazy people getting guns easily?

 

[Eli1]

So what do you see as a solution to the crazy people getting guns easily?

There is no solution sir. This is par for the course in America.
My personal solution is to avoid gun areas and be on top of everything when it comes to my kid‘s activities, interests and their online usage.
It has worked well for almost 50 years.

 

[hornetguy]

As an outside observer, I wish to offer some advice on how to minimise the incidence of school shootings in the US. Since it is obvious that Americans will not disarm, there has to be an alternative. I suggest the following:

• Security fencing/razor wire, around every school.
• Bulletproof glass in every window.
• Armed guards at the sole entrance to school grounds.
• National Guardsmen based at all schools with more than 50 pupils.
• All teachers to be armed, and given appropriate training.
• Airport style security scanners at each school.

This is not the answer to mass shootings, of course. Since any psycho can get an AR15 equivalent, it's only a matter of time until the next rampage. However, at least your children will be safe.

Interesting statistics: when the constitution was written to include the right to bear arms, the firing rate was around 3-4 rounds a minute. AR15 something like 45 rounds a minute. AR15 has a lethal range of around 500 metres. Old style weapons maybe 150 metres. It's good to know that technology has made everything so much more efficient.

Your sarcasm notwithstanding, 2 or 3 of your ideas are worthwhile, and should be implemented in every school in the US.

There should be armed guards at every school... scanners would be a good idea, and arming SOME teachers is a good idea.

Crazed people go shoot up schools and churches because there is usually NO security there. We care more about our money than we do our kids. There are armed guards at banks.... nearly all of them.
When was the last time someone attacked and shot up a gun store? Or a police station? Crazies go where they know there is a good chance they can wreak havoc without getting killed before they can fire their first shot.

 

[hornetguy]

There is no solution sir. This is par for the course in America.
My personal solution is to avoid gun areas and be on top of everything when it comes to my kid‘s activities, interests and their online usage.
It has worked well for almost 50 years.

I'm curious as to where these "gun areas" are. I didn't realize there were such places, other than shooting ranges.

and I've always been of the opinion that if you don't have any ideas for a solution, you should be quiet.... otherwise, you are simply complaining/whining.
I admire you for being actively involved in your kids lives.... many parents do not do that. God bless you for that....

 

[Eli1]

I'm curious as to where these "gun areas" are. I didn't realize there were such places, other than shooting ranges.

and I've always been of the opinion that if you don't have any ideas for a solution, you should be quiet.... otherwise, you are simply complaining/whining.
I admire you for being actively involved in your kids lives.... many parents do not do that. God bless you for that....

The areas are towns in states where gun laws are very strict. These are blue states usually. So I live in areas that have less guns.
As far as being active in kid‘s lives that’s a MUST first step. But I realize that we have many parents who don’t care. And that’s where Guns become a dangerous issue on an already hopeless situation for some of these neglected children.
Of course this comes from the degrading moral values and the attacks on the family since we slowly took prayers away from schools and we’ve replaced God’s values with Man values.
‘But the icing on the cake comes down to guns. Because elsewhere in the world these family problems exist, but they don’t have easy access to guns to cause these monthly tragedies we experience in America now.

 

[hornetguy]

The areas are towns in states where gun laws are very strict. These are blue states usually. So I live in areas that have less guns.
As far as being active in kid‘s lives that’s a MUST first step. But I realize that we have many parents who don’t care. And that’s where Guns become a dangerous issue on an already hopeless situation for some of these neglected children.
Of course this comes from the degrading moral values and the attacks on the family since we slowly took prayers away from schools and we’ve replaced God’s values with Man values.
‘But the icing on the cake comes down to guns. Because elsewhere in the world these family problems exist, but they don’t have easy access to guns to cause these monthly tragedies we experience in America now.

I agree with much of that...
I would add that it has not always been this way... when I was in Jr High/High school, probably half of the kids at school had guns in their cars/pickups. Nearly everyone I knew owned guns... I had a teacher ask me to bring my Springfield 30-06 up to class to show it to him...
I NEVER heard of a school shooting.... never.
If guns were the main issue, we would have had many more shootings 50 years ago than we do now.

I think you are correct, it is the degraded societal issues that are the cause.... guns are simply the tool being used by deranged people.

So, if we agree that mental, moral degradation is the cause, how do we keep these deranged people from having access to firearms, without infringing on the right of everyone else to own them?

 

[Gideon300]

Guns have also been an integral part of American culture and society. These type of things were not happening with the frequency we see now. What has changed? Guns are are tool, this has everything to do with the human condition.

Guns have changed also. They are far easier to shoot accurately, need little training and have a terrifying rate of fire. Such guns are not legally obtainable in Australia, being outlawed in 1996. The government (i.e. taxpayer) bought outlawed guns back. We've had no mass shootings since then.

Sure, the human condition is the root of the problem. But why make things worse? Seriously, what does Mr Average need a military grade semi automatic weapon for? "In God we Trust"? Or rather Colt, Remington, Glock, Springfield........

 

[Gideon300]

A foreigner mocking American's on the dead bodies of innocent children has no capacity to give advice to American's.

It's A m e r i c a n.

So is the arrogance and pride that blinds Americans to the problem and its solution. I'm not mocking. A little sarcasm (hopefully) will cut through the fog of hubris that surrounds this desperately sad issue. I was confronted by a gun totin' cowboy (literally) who wondered why Australia has such strict gun controls. He thought that we are deprived of a great privilege. I told him that I had 30,000 reasons to agree with Australia's gun laws. Last year there were 45,000 reasons. In 2019, there were 229 gun deaths (apart from suicide) in Australia. Our population, around 25 million. USA, around 300 million. Do the maths.

 

[Lynx]

I NEVER heard of a school shooting.... never.
If guns were the main issue, we would have had many more shootings 50 years ago than we do now.

Yeah, this.

Problem is, back then we believed in God and a purpose for our lives. Now we believe in evolution and our lives are just random chance.

There's no real reason to keep going any more, so some people figure why not go out with a bang.

I expect these incidents to become more popular in the next few years. Buckle up.

 

[Magenta]

So is the arrogance and pride that blinds Americans to the problem and its solution. I'm not mocking. A little sarcasm (hopefully) will cut through the fog of hubris that surrounds this desperately sad issue. I was confronted by a gun totin' cowboy (literally) who wondered why Australia has such strict gun controls. He thought that we are deprived of a great privilege. I told him that I had 30,000 reasons to agree with Australia's gun laws. Last year there were 45,000 reasons. In 2019, there were 229 gun deaths (apart from suicide) in Australia. Our population, around 25 million. USA, around 300 million. Do the maths.

I didn't see any mocking or sarcasm in your OP Was it the razor wire? I did wonder about the
one entrance. At first I thought you meant to the school itself, then I realized it was for the grounds.

 

[hornetguy]

Seriously, what does Mr Average need a military grade semi automatic weapon for?

The "average" American needs them to fulfil the intent and purpose of the second amendment to our Constitution. It is to keep government in check.
And, these are not "military grade" . They are only similar in appearance.

Guns have changed also. They are far easier to shoot accurately, need little training and have a terrifying rate of fire.

Yes.... and our government has access to even more terrifying weapons.

So is the arrogance and pride that blinds Americans to the problem and its solution.

Believing in, and trying to live up to our Constitution is not "arrogance and pride". Our Constitution is an amazing document, written by brilliant men who intended to never give our government the chance to strip away our rights and make us subjects to a dictator.

Trying to compare Australia to the US is also a non-starter.... you have very few of the same issues we have over here. Your ethnic diversity is not nearly as, well, diverse as it is here.

 

[Eli1]

I agree with much of that...
I would add that it has not always been this way... when I was in Jr High/High school, probably half of the kids at school had guns in their cars/pickups. Nearly everyone I knew owned guns... I had a teacher ask me to bring my Springfield 30-06 up to class to show it to him...
I NEVER heard of a school shooting.... never.
If guns were the main issue, we would have had many more shootings 50 years ago than we do now.

I think you are correct, it is the degraded societal issues that are the cause.... guns are simply the tool being used by deranged people.

So, if we agree that mental, moral degradation is the cause, how do we keep these deranged people from having access to firearms, without infringing on the right of everyone else to own them?

There is no solution for this anymore because nobody wants to fix morals on a large scale and nobody wants to fix guns on a large scale either.
My only solution as I mentioned is to find places where morals are still intact and where gun ownership exists at a minimum.
I live in a town which is peaceful since it was founded and continues to be peaceful.
There are many places like this in America, you just have to find them. I had to move before I decided to create a family.

 

[hornetguy]

There is no solution for this anymore because nobody wants to fix morals on a large scale and nobody wants to fix guns on a large scale either.
My only solution as I mentioned is to find places where morals are still intact and where gun ownership exists at a minimum.
I live in a town which is peaceful since it was founded and continues to be peaceful.
There are many places like this in America, you just have to find them. I had to move before I decided to create a family.

And I would still say that guns don't need "fixing".... what would be your "fix" for guns that would not violate the Constitution?

Fixing morals would probably eliminate this plague of school shootings.... if we study history, we should see that.

 

[Eli1]

And I would still say that guns don't need "fixing".... what would be your "fix" for guns that would not violate the Constitution?

Fixing morals would probably eliminate this plague of school shootings.... if we study history, we should see that.

The topic of fixing guns has been debated many times.
Blue states for example have stricter rules and enforce them better, like the town I live in. You also can’t just go in an buy a few assault weapons with rapid fire for ”sport”. The application and process is long too, not just a couple of days and here’s an AR - thanks for applying.
These kinds of fixes dont want to be discussed on a large national scale because people are too indoctrinated by NRA now to have any meaningful reforms despite children dying monthly.

Same can be said about Morals, nobody wants to implement God values in towns and schools because the majority has gone too stupid on dangerous ideas which lead to suicide and depression.

 

[Aerials1978]

Guns have changed also. They are far easier to shoot accurately, need little training and have a terrifying rate of fire. Such guns are not legally obtainable in Australia, being outlawed in 1996. The government (i.e. taxpayer) bought outlawed guns back. We've had no mass shootings since then.

Sure, the human condition is the root of the problem. But why make things worse? Seriously, what does Mr Average need a military grade semi automatic weapon for? "In God we Trust"? Or rather Colt, Remington, Glock, Springfield........

That’s a fair point. In defense I would my argument would be the once we start down that road, all guns will look to banned. That's really what this all about from a particular segment of the country.

Most gun violence is committed by hand guns. Long barrel rifles make up a small percentage of the overall crimes committed. Look at the Virginia Tech shooting, that individual used semiautomatic pistols(Glock 19 and A Walther P22) and still killed 32. The Fort Hood shooter used two pistols as well: Smith and Wesson .375 mag(Revolver) and a FN Five-Seven and killed 13.

When a soft target is chosen(Gun free zones) the casualties will increase regardless of the firearm being used. People become open targets. Again my position is what is causing a compete breakdown of this society? It’s all spiritual. God has given the nation over to depraved minds.

 

[kaylagrl]

Joking aside, I have noticed this a lot even down here in the South where people are generally more polite. I call it the "if you're not with me you're against me" syndrome. If you disagree with me I can't just let it rest as a disagreement. You must be my enemy if you disagree with me on something.

Makes me worry a lot more than I used to about how easy it is for these people to get guns.

Too much social media, too much MSM. The country can agree on nothing. The left and right are too far apart to even wave to each other. There is no middle ground anymore. I have only lived here 20yrs and I am astonished at how fast it has changed, and not for the better. Terribly sad.

 

[kaylagrl]

Pretty much. I was astonished that I had family members on Facebook disown me over politics. Simpy because they didn't like the horse I was backing. And they're Canadian!! I couldn't believe they were serious. smh One old friend of the family accused me of being racist for not supporting BLM !!! Silence now that the truth has come out about that lot. It's just unreal.

 

[kaylagrl]

@JTB think about this very simply okay?

There are many crazy people in the world. They exist.
‘The difference is that here in US, a crazy person can easily get a high powered weapon and cause more death very quickly compared to other places in the world.

It’s as simple as that.

Guns are the issue. This is why Guns NOT people were banned at the NRA Trump meeting.

Guns are not the issue, the people that use the guns are. It's time to bring back mental institutions. That's the common thread through this. There has been a breakdown of the family. A lot of issues here that we don't want to face. There is no way to get every gun off the street. Look at all the money that has been used to try and stop drugs. And yet we have more of a drug issue now more than ever. More strict gun control takes rights away from law abiding citizens. I haven't lived here that long but didn't Clinton ban ARs for a time? Someone fill me in on that one?

 

[epicnerpmada]

There is no solution for this anymore because nobody wants to fix morals on a large scale and nobody wants to fix guns on a large scale either.
My only solution as I mentioned is to find places where morals are still intact and where gun ownership exists at a minimum.
I live in a town which is peaceful since it was founded and continues to be peaceful.
There are many places like this in America, you just have to find them. I had to move before I decided to create a family.

You can't just "fix people's morals" what are you going to do, tie them up and make them watch the 700 club? God doesn't force the heart of man to do anything. You said it's a spiritual problem at the root, which to me means that nothing else could fix it other than a mass repentance and refocusing on the will of God, and I agree. Let it be that and let it show in your prayer life, because it's really all WE can do. So stop the bickering about fences, national guardsmen, and the forced relinquishment of an HEAVELY enshrined right. Because it just divides US.
You think gun death are high, try taking them away and then see how high they get, it's the opposite of a solution. Cain killed Able with a rock, brother.

Pray and give it to God.

Protect yourself how you see fit, no one is making it out of here with their skin.

Shine the light of Christ, and shake the dust of your feet if people don't want the light.

Enjoy your life the best you rightiously can, because it is all meaningless at the end of the day.

I pray for your peace of mind.

 

[kaylagrl]

The topic of fixing guns has been debated many times.
Blue states for example have stricter rules and enforce them better, like the town I live in. You also can’t just go in an buy a few assault weapons with rapid fire for ”sport”. The application and process is long too, not just a couple of days and here’s an AR - thanks for applying.
These kinds of fixes dont want to be discussed on a large national scale because people are too indoctrinated by NRA now to have any meaningful reforms despite children dying monthly.

Same can be said about Morals, nobody wants to implement God values in towns and schools because the majority has gone too stupid on dangerous ideas which lead to suicide and depression.

Where did a homeless, jobless, 18 yr old that didn't know how to drive get the money to buy two ARs plus ammo? Where does he get a cool 3 grand and a lift to the store to go get them? We didn't start having this issue until recent history, what changed? This didn't happen in the 50s all the way up until Columbine. What has changed? That is where you will find the solution.