Theology—beneficial or source of endless debating?

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

I'm not convinced by any writings of man. I prefer Yahweh's word over man's word. You prefer man's traditions; and the sad thing is you don't even see it.

Leviticus 19:15
You must not pervert justice; you must not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the rich; you are to judge your neighbor fairly.

John 7:24
Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

Acts 4:19
But Peter and John answered and said to them, “Whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to you more than to God, you judge.

I commend you, sir, because you do not show favoritism, but prefer God's word over man's word.

Many here can learn from your right standing with God.

 

[pottersclay]

I don't think there is a such thing as "replacement" theology.

Gods People have always been and will always be people of Faith. Not people of a certain nation.

Can't argue with that but GOD has also chosen a nation. That is Israel.

 

[Jocund]

Can't argue with that but GOD has also chosen a nation. That is Israel.

Not by nation, but by faith.

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

Why don't you respond to what I actually said?

Magenta, you claimed Catholics believe blasphemous things, without evidence; so I mentioned the Biblical and historical evidence for the Papacy. Since you mentioned "Papal decrees", I mentioned the Lord's decree: "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” (Mat 16:19).

Catholics believe, based on this promise, that the Lord guides the Popes in interpreting Scripture. We see an example in Acts 15:7-11.

I guess I'm wondering what your motive is for even being here.

I'm here for discussion and fellowship, RA. I'm also a fairly Ecumenical Christian and get along with Christians of other denominations, whom I respect and consider as brothers and sisters in the Lord, IRL (In Real Life). I don't attack other people's denominations, but I do defend my own when it is attacked. Do I have the right to do that, or don't I? What is your motive for being here, btw, Resident Alien?

In Christ,
Xavier.

 

[ResidentAlien]

What is your motive for being here, btw, Resident Alien?

It certainly isn't to promote false unity (ecumenism). What fellowship can light have with darkness?

I'm just curious why, if you're looking for ecumenical fellowship, you'd come to a forum that is unashamedly opposed to Catholicism? https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/catholic-heresy-for-the-record.41911/ The only reason you haven't been booted already is probably because no one has reported you.

The only way there can be peaceful fellowship between Catholics and Christians is if one of them compromises; and I bet I can guess which ones will be expected to do all the compromising.

 

[Grandpa]

Can't argue with that but GOD has also chosen a nation. That is Israel.

So you DON'T believe scripture.

I'm finding that people mostly have problems with certain theology because it goes against what they wish scripture said, not because it actually goes against scripture.

 

[Magenta]

Magenta, you claimed Catholics believe blasphemous things, without evidence; so I mentioned the Biblical and historical evidence for the Papacy. Since you mentioned "Papal decrees", I mentioned the Lord's decree: "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” (Mat 16:19).

Believing Mary intercedes for sinners denies Scripture, which explicitly states in 1 Timothy 2:5~ For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus. Elevating Mary above other women instead of adhering to what Scripture states of her being blessed among women... Catholics are mandated to believe not only that she was sinless, which contradicts Scripture, but that she was bodily assumed to heaven, something nowhere found in Scripture. Instead of her being born after Adam, as the whole of the human race is said to be in the Bible, Catholics will tell us that she had to be sinless so Jesus could be born sinless, again, nowhere found in Scripture, and contradicting what Scripture explicitly states. Do you believe Jesus could not have been sinless without the help of Mary? That God needed Mary's help in order not to sin? Some Catholics will lie and say they do not pray to Mary while promoting prayers to Mary! We are told by Catholics that she is the queen of heaven and mother of all, as well, calling her the second Eve. Where do they come up with all this stuff? Rhetorical question, really. The popes wax poetic about her, and instead of ex cathedra dogmas being about Jesus, they are about Mary.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Pope Francis prays to a Mary idol

 

[Eli1]

I’m right !
NO, I’M RIGHT !
I WANT YOU BANNED BECAUSE I DONT LIKE YOU.

 

[pottersclay]

So you DON'T believe scripture.

I'm finding that people mostly have problems with certain theology because it goes against what they wish scripture said, not because it actually goes against scripture.

Yeah your right i have to stop making scripture to fit me.


Deuteronomy 7:6-9 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

Lets start here .....what am i missing?

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

Believing Mary intercedes for sinners denies Scripture, which explicitly states in 1 Timothy 2:5~ For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.

Hi Magenta. Well, if we're going to discuss what the Scripture says about Mary, a good place to begin is Rev 12:1.

"12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:" (Rev 12:1)

12:5 says this Woman is the Mother of Christ (the Son born to rule all nations). Who is the Mother of Christ? Plainly Mary.

Why did God give her a Crown? He gives the answer 10 chapters earlier: "be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

Recall that Mary stood faithfully at the foot of the Cross (Jn 19:25), when all His Apostles had fled (Mk 14:50). And yet if even they who forsook and fled were promised a reward in Heaven (Mat 19:28), how much more will Mary, who was steadfastly faithful to her divine Son, have a greater reward for her fidelity? All of the Apostles who fled sinned that day on Calvary (though John returned), but Mary did not. She remained faithful to her Son and God. That explains why the Bible says she received a crown from her Son with 12 stars in Heaven.

Regarding the other things, there's a difference Mediation and Intercession. Christ is the only Mediator, but all believers can be intercessors.

1 Tim 2:1 "I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people"

Is there a verse that says even the Saints in Heaven are intercessors who offer prayers to God for us? Yes.

Rev 5:8 "Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints."

And then the Deuterocanonical books (the 7 books removed in Protestant Bibles/retained in Catholic Bibles) provide further support.

Bar 3:4 “O Lord Almighty, thou God of Israel, hear now the prayers of the dead Israelites, and of their children" Taken from: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Baruch-3-4/ All these are Scriptural reasons to believe those who go to Heaven pray for us.

Strictly speaking, we Pray only to God/Jesus. But we do ask others to pray for us. If you ask a Pastor to pray for you, are you praying to him? So there is a difference between praying to someone and asking that someone to pray for you. We do the latter with the Saints.

Catholics and Christians

You mean, Catholics and Protestants/Catholics and Evangelicals. Catholics are Christians. If Catholics aren't Christians, then Christianity began in the 16th Century, with Martin Luther, not in the 1st Century, with Jesus Christ. Want to maintain that? I hope not.

In Christ,
Xavier.

 

[DavidTree]

Personally, I hate theology. To me it seems like a pointless intellectual exercise that locks people out from hearing the truth. I like understanding, but to me understanding is something different than theology and it's important to know the difference. Understanding comes from the Lord; theology, in most cases, is a human edifice written in stone. "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me."—John 5:39

What are your thoughts?

theology is a religious amusement park residing in a blob of fat encapsulated in a calcium crash helmet

 

[DavidTree]

Not by nation, but by faith.

Always by faith - since the Beginning.

 

[Beckie]

Yeah your right i have to stop making scripture to fit me.


Deuteronomy 7:6-9 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

Lets start here .....what am i missing?

Missing a few of these
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Rom_2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Rom_10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Col_3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

 

[DavidTree]

Hi Magenta. Well, if we're going to discuss what the Scripture says about Mary, a good place to begin is Rev 12:1.

"12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:" (Rev 12:1)

12:5 says this Woman is the Mother of Christ (the Son born to rule all nations). Who is the Mother of Christ? Plainly Mary.

Why did God give her a Crown? He gives the answer 10 chapters earlier: "be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

Recall that Mary stood faithfully at the foot of the Cross (Jn 19:25), when all His Apostles had fled (Mk 14:50). And yet if even they who forsook and fled were promised a reward in Heaven (Mat 19:28), how much more will Mary, who was steadfastly faithful to her divine Son, have a greater reward for her fidelity? All of the Apostles who fled sinned that day on Calvary (though John returned), but Mary did not. She remained faithful to her Son and God. That explains why the Bible says she received a crown from her Son with 12 stars in Heaven.

Regarding the other things, there's a difference Mediation and Intercession. Christ is the only Mediator, but all believers can be intercessors.

1 Tim 2:1 "I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people"

Is there a verse that says even the Saints in Heaven are intercessors who offer prayers to God for us? Yes.

Rev 5:8 "Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints."

And then the Deuterocanonical books (the 7 books removed in Protestant Bibles/retained in Catholic Bibles) provide further support.

Bar 3:4 “O Lord Almighty, thou God of Israel, hear now the prayers of the dead Israelites, and of their children" Taken from: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Baruch-3-4/ All these are Scriptural reasons to believe those who go to Heaven pray for us.

Strictly speaking, we Pray only to God/Jesus. But we do ask others to pray for us. If you ask a Pastor to pray for you, are you praying to him? So there is a difference between praying to someone and asking that someone to pray for you. We do the latter with the Saints.



You mean, Catholics and Protestants/Catholics and Evangelicals. Catholics are Christians. If Catholics aren't Christians, then Christianity began in the 16th Century, with Martin Luther, not in the 1st Century, with Jesus Christ. Want to maintain that? I hope not.

In Christ,
Xavier.

Former RCC member here, Revelations ch12 is not speaking of Mary.

When we ask another Living Blood Sanctified Saint to pray, with or for us, it is a Living Blessing from the LORD to do so.

However, to be dependent upon another flawed human being to intercede on our behalf is in itself flawed.

Praying to Mary, the Apostles or dead saints is sin because it denies the TRUTH.

 

[Jocund]

Yeah your right i have to stop making scripture to fit me.


Deuteronomy 7:6-9 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

Lets start here .....what am i missing?

The New Testament context.

 

[pottersclay]

The New Testament context.

If you read further of what i posted you would see it covers the new testament.
Furthermore since there is no difference between greek or jew why do you ask for the new testament.?
Whats wrong with the old?

Deuteronomy 7:9-14 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.
Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.
Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:
And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
Thou shalt be blessed above all people: there shall not be male or female barren among you, or among your cattle.

 

[Beckie]

If you read further of what i posted you would see it covers the new testament.
Furthermore since there is no difference between greek or jew why do you ask for the new testament.?
Whats wrong with the old?

Deuteronomy 7:9-14 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.
Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.
Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:
And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
Thou shalt be blessed above all people: there shall not be male or female barren among you, or among your cattle.

Israel worshippers that refuse to see the Value of the Sacrifice of Christ

 

[ResidentAlien]

You mean, Catholics and Protestants/Catholics and Evangelicals. Catholics are Christians.

No, I said what I meant. Catholics think they're Christians but unfortunately they're sadly deceived.

If Catholics aren't Christians, then Christianity began in the 16th Century, with Martin Luther, not in the 1st Century, with Jesus Christ. Want to maintain that? I hope not.

Christianity started in the 1st century, not the 4th or the 16th. Catholicism is false Christianity, a corruption of true Christianity. I know you've been indoctrinated to think Catholicism is the "one true church," but you've been deceived and now you go around trying to deceive others.

"But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived."—2 Timothy 3:13

 

[ResidentAlien]

You mean, Catholics and Protestants/Catholics and Evangelicals. Catholics are Christians. If Catholics aren't Christians, then Christianity began in the 16th Century, with Martin Luther, not in the 1st Century, with Jesus Christ. Want to maintain that? I hope not.

You never answered and I'm still curious why you picked a forum that clearly states as a matter of policy that Catholicism is heresy. What possible motive could you have other than to push your false unity narrative?