A 'Merican response to school shootin's

[Eli1]

You have no earthly idea just how much 'programming' is at the very center of why these things happen in the first place.

You need to ask more 'Why?' questions - and then wait for an appropriate truthful answer.

Has it occurred to you yet that the no-guns thing could have simply been because of local, state, or federal laws already put in place - affecting the place where it was held?

I don't know because I have not looked into it.

However, what I am convinced of at this point - is that you are ranting-and-railing about something for which you are making many assumptions and doing little-if-any research.

You don't even realize just how much you have been 'programmed' by the 'system'...

Tell me - would a gun in your hand(s) be used for good or for evil?

How about a knife? ice pick? car? golf club?

Gary thanks for chiming in.
I don’t have a gun first of all. Never had one and never will. As I mentioned earlier , I live happily with my family in a small town in a blue state where very very few people have small firearms like a pistol.
The emphasis of this town are good moral values as well as God values.
There has never Been any violence in my town since it was founded and there won’t be any because it’s a good family centered community and there are very few guns so if someone goes crazy which is unlikely to happen because of family centered values, they won’t be able to cause carnage for all the innocent.

Take care.

 

[GaryA]

The 2nd amendment argument is distinct and separate from the argument a lot of people are making here in favor of guns, which is guns/easy access to guns do not cause deaths/mass shootings. If people want to point to the 2nd amendment in saying gun ownership is a right that's fine, but then saying that easy access to guns doesn't cause deaths/shootings, that I don't believe is accurate.

I believe that perhaps you have misunderstood the 'argument' - guns/access is/are not the cause - never have been and never will be...

People are the cause - always has been and always will be...

 

[GaryA]

Gary thanks for chiming in.
I don’t have a gun first of all. Never had one and never will. As I mentioned earlier , I live happily with my family in a small town in a blue state where very very few people have small firearms like a pistol.
The emphasis of this town are good moral values as well as God values.
There has never Been any violence in my town since it was founded and there won’t be any because it’s a good family centered community and there are very few guns so if someone goes crazy which is unlikely to happen because of family centered values, they won’t be able to cause carnage for all the innocent.

Take care.

I think it is wonderful that you live in a low-crime town.

I suggest that it is the moral foundation and not the low gun count that is the reason for the low crime rate.

 

[hornetguy]

The 2nd amendment argument is distinct and separate from the argument a lot of people are making here in favor of guns, which is guns/easy access to guns do not cause deaths/mass shootings. If people want to point to the 2nd amendment in saying gun ownership is a right that's fine, but then saying that easy access to guns doesn't cause deaths/shootings, that I don't believe is accurate.

I agree with that, with the clarification that easy access for good citizens does NOT cause deaths and shootings. Easy access for criminal types, or mentally imbalanced people does. The difficult part is figuring out how to have one without the other.

 

[GaryA]

Easy access for criminal types, or mentally imbalanced people does.

Well - no.

In no case is/are guns/access the cause. The cause is always associated with the will of a person. Period.

(I can understand and agree with the good intent of your post - but not the literal statement of it.)

 

[hornetguy]

I suppose the proper way to say it is that the easy access for criminals/mentals is one of the causes for an increase in gun crimes.
It doesn't cause a crime, it allows criminals an easier means to commit their crime. But, semantics aside... the idea is valid.

In my opinion, we don't need any more laws... our government doesn't even enforce the ones already on the books. We need to fine tune the ones we are stuck with, and insist that the laws are strictly enforced.

I believe it was either the Clinton administration, or perhaps even the Obama administration that bragged loudly about how their enhanced background checks prevented "X" number of felons from purchasing firearms. How many of those do you think went back to jail? I think the number was very close to "0"..... What good did that do? It simply means the felon that committed another felony in trying to purchase a gun had to go to the black market to get his gun. If we don't enforce the laws we have, how will MORE laws help?

 

[GaryA]

What has changed since the 50s (at least in the US) is that young men decided to use guns rather than get into fist fights or (bring a knife) after school. There were way more fist fights back then, any old movie shows this. I really don't know why they decided to use guns, perhaps because fist fights may be considered felonies now. Even drunk driving is considered way more serious now. Maybe these newer laws are putting limits on how younger men express themselves, so they turn to guns.

In the 50s, fist fights were about respect - you didn't want to kill him - you just wanted to "teach him a lesson" - and, you knew that a dead man cannot learn anything...

If you used a knife, then you wanted to inflict permanent damage or death.

If you used a gun, then you wanted to inflict certain death.

A fist fight was considered to be a "fair fight" - while a knife or gun was considered to be an "unfair advantage" against anyone not having the same.

Why do I say all of these obvious things?

To illustrate that - what has changed is - the prevailing attitude of the population at large.

All of the same attitudes from back then are present today - but, with a severe shift in nunbers, percentage, and prevalence.

Today, there is no self-respect.

Nor is there respect for others.

In many people's minds, killing another human being is not-much-or-any different than swatting a fly that is annoying them.

Selfishness has prevailed as the main operating "principle" in many/most people's lives today.

And, they quickly decide that anyone they "have no use for" who "gets in their way" may as well be dead...

 

[GaryA]

I suppose the proper way to say it is that the easy access for criminals/mentals can contribute to an increase in gun crimes.
It doesn't cause a crime, it allows criminals an easier means to commit their crime.

There - fixed it for you...

Now we are in agreement.

I would also suggest that one of the greatest contributing factors to an increase in gun crimes is the greater number of criminals/mentals committing crimes.

 

[shittim]

tv has programmed our society, especially the youth.

 

[Lynx]

To everybody: Give it up guys.

Every time this topic comes up everyone gets upset. I can't remember a single person ever changing his opinion though. Whether you're right or wrong or wrong-but-think-you're-right, give it up. Nobody's mind will be changed in this thread either.

Only thing this discussion causes is higher blood pressure all around.

It is entertaining though...

 

[Gideon300]

That’s a fair point. In defense I would my argument would be the once we start down that road, all guns will look to banned. That's really what this all about from a particular segment of the country.

Most gun violence is committed by hand guns. Long barrel rifles make up a small percentage of the overall crimes committed. Look at the Virginia Tech shooting, that individual used semiautomatic pistols(Glock 19 and A Walther P22) and still killed 32. The Fort Hood shooter used two pistols as well: Smith and Wesson .375 mag(Revolver) and a FN Five-Seven and killed 13.

When a soft target is chosen(Gun free zones) the casualties will increase regardless of the firearm being used. People become open targets. Again my position is what is causing a compete breakdown of this society? It’s all spiritual. God has given the nation over to depraved minds.

Only police and licensed security people can legally own handguns here. That is a significant difference.

I do agree that the root cause is spiritual. Does that mean that we do nothing to at least minimise the damage?

 

[kaylagrl]

To everybody: Give it up guys.

Every time this topic comes up everyone gets upset. I can't remember a single person ever changing his opinion though. Whether you're right or wrong or wrong-but-think-you're-right, give it up. Nobody's mind will be changed in this thread either.

Only thing this discussion causes is higher blood pressure all around.

It is entertaining though...

If anyone fully and honestly has been listening to the news on this, they know a lot more happened than guns. He should have never gotten into the school. This story has a lot of tragic "but fors" in it. But for someone leaving the door ajar, but the first responders not going in, but for them not treating it like a hostage situation. Too many things went horrifically wrong and there are going to be a lot of out of work people because of this.

 

[Lynx]

If anyone fully and honestly has been listening to the news on this, they know a lot more happened than guns. He should have never gotten into the school. This story has a lot of tragic "but fors" in it. But for someone leaving the door ajar, but the first responders not going in, but for them not treating it like a hostage situation. Too many things went horrifically wrong and there are going to be a lot of out of work people because of this.

Shhh! It's all about the guns, because arguing about guns is always popular. Don't cloud the issue with non-firearm details.

 

[hornetguy]

To everybody: Give it up guys.

Every time this topic comes up everyone gets upset. I can't remember a single person ever changing his opinion though. Whether you're right or wrong or wrong-but-think-you're-right, give it up. Nobody's mind will be changed in this thread either.

Only thing this discussion causes is higher blood pressure all around.

It is entertaining though...

These threads CAN cause higher blood pressure, but I think this discussion has been mostly level-headed and polite.
I believe open discussion is where solutions are found...
It is good to find out that the "other side" is very likely not as crazy/un-American as you assumed them to be.
In most situations, there is truth and validity on both sides, and the goal is to find common ground and work on compromises from there...
The problem lies with the extremists that will not even consider "giving an inch"... and I have not seen too much of that in this discussion...

 

[Aerials1978]

Only police and licensed security people can legally own handguns here. That is a significant difference. I do agree that the root cause is spiritual. Does that mean that we do nothing to at least minimise the damage?

Only police and licensed security people can legally own handguns here. That is a significant difference. I do agree that the root cause is spiritual. Does that mean that we do nothing to at least minimise the damage?

Only police and licensed security people can legally own handguns here. That is a significant difference.

I do agree that the root cause is spiritual. Does that mean that we do nothing to at least minimise the damage?

I have thought about that. It would come down to what damage is being minimized. Again, once we start saying “This is in the name of public safety” with regards to a fundamental right, that’s dangerous ground. The true aim is to have the 2 amendment completely abolished. You cannot comprise with people like that, because they always want more. I live in a country were half the population believes genocide of the unborn is a human right, while firearms are the supposed root of all evil.

 

[shittim]

all demonic inspired governments first disarm the citizens, useful idiots promote disarmament.

 

[kaylagrl]

Shhh! It's all about the guns, because arguing about guns is always popular. Don't cloud the issue with non-firearm details.

Oh no, did I let the cat out of the bag? (no pun intended) lol

 

[SomeDisciple]

I feel like if someone wanted to kill some people, and guns were illegal, they'd buy an illegal gun, and still shoot people.

Or, if they couldn't get a gun; they'd just make explosives instead.

Were much better off when people don't want to go on murder sprees in the first place than we are trying to stop them after someone has already decided to do it.

How is a government that infringes on people's liberties going to make people less angry, and less likely to go on a murder spree? It's not.

Did you ever notice that in America, there's never a public outrage when someone murder's their own children? It's practically legal. More children are murdered by their own parents than in
School shootings. (That's not even counting abortions).
I don't see liberals lifting a finger to stop that.... oh, no- because to them, it's basically a human right to murder your own kids.

Honestly, the fake misdirected outrage and condescension is old: these victims are being exploited for a political agenda by people that do not even for one second actually care about them- and everyone with a brain knows it.

 

[TheIndianGirl]

Democrats don't care about aborted babies the same way Republicans don't care about gun violence victims. I do think Democrats care about babies and Republicans about gun violence victims, but ultimately they care more about a right (abortion, or 2nd amendment). The right outweighs the deaths. However, it is true there are way more abortions than gun violence victims.

 

[shittim]

Governments around the world have traumatized their citizens intentionally for the last 3 years, some citizens are reacting to this by committing terrible crimes, the governments who are causing the trauma now want to disarm the remaining law abiding citizens, it's all part of the devils plan, Christians are supposed to know better as they hear the voice of God and not lean on their own understanding.https://www.bitchute.com/video/5ueOTOcyeWI6/