Adam was not deceived but chose to eat of the forbidden tree. Why?
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Given that the one tree is of the knowledge of good and evil, can we deduct (or is it induction?) that the tree of life is the tree of life and death? or is rather more proper that the tokogae to be regarded as the tree of death?
or For God has put it into their hearts to carry out His purpose by uniting to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. something like, "the woman you gave me, in turn, she gave that to me... and so, I could/did not refuse either "gift'?
*explanation of the words in red... I was editing my post to add more thoughts and meant to shift or enter or something other than what is there (getting adjusted to a new computer's keyboard), which apparently was pasting text from somewhere else tho I don't know from where, but I decided to leave it seeing the eerily relevance the thought might have on this topic...
atm, I don't remember what additional thoughts I had now. I'll post them if and when they come back to me.
or For God has put it into their hearts to carry out His purpose by uniting to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. something like, "the woman you gave me, in turn, she gave that to me... and so, I could/did not refuse either "gift'?
*explanation of the words in red... I was editing my post to add more thoughts and meant to shift or enter or something other than what is there (getting adjusted to a new computer's keyboard), which apparently was pasting text from somewhere else tho I don't know from where, but I decided to leave it seeing the eerily relevance the thought might have on this topic...
atm, I don't remember what additional thoughts I had now. I'll post them if and when they come back to me.
something like, 'the woman you gave with me ((hence i am responsible for, and to whom i am betrothed)), she gave me of the tree ((i saw she had fallen; she showed me what she had done)), and i ate ((i confess my sin))'
this to me seems much more plausible than 'the woman you gave with me ((this is your fault God; you are evil and caused my sin)), she gave me of the tree ((this is her fault God, she is evil & i didn't have anything to do with it)), and i ate ((i was deceived by you God and by the evil woman you forced on me))'
the plausibility isn't limited to God's reaction, but that reaction sure does corroborate it.
Satan is undoubtedly the chief Accuser; the one accusing God of evil.
does God treat Adam like Satan?
God doesn't even allow Satan to speak in the court. He curses him and prophesies his destruction.
does God curse Adam? no; He curses the ground for Adam's sake. does God prophesy Adam's destruction? no. He prophesies his salvation.
so how can we interpret Adam's words and actions as equivalent to the actions of Satan, with a straight face?
this to me seems much more plausible than 'the woman you gave with me ((this is your fault God; you are evil and caused my sin)), she gave me of the tree ((this is her fault God, she is evil & i didn't have anything to do with it)), and i ate ((i was deceived by you God and by the evil woman you forced on me))'
the plausibility isn't limited to God's reaction, but that reaction sure does corroborate it.
Satan is undoubtedly the chief Accuser; the one accusing God of evil.
does God treat Adam like Satan?
God doesn't even allow Satan to speak in the court. He curses him and prophesies his destruction.
does God curse Adam? no; He curses the ground for Adam's sake. does God prophesy Adam's destruction? no. He prophesies his salvation.
so how can we interpret Adam's words and actions as equivalent to the actions of Satan, with a straight face?
Whoever may laugh, I'm not ruling the interpretation out just yet. Afterall, there is an instance where Jesus equated Peter with Satan. Besides, how can we avoid repeating any mistakes if we haven't come to understand what it exactly is. God cursed the ground for Adam's sake so, this tells me that making Adam toil for the harvest is for his own good, as Eve's pain in childbirth is also most likely to teach her the value of something, and I my intent to zero in on that so I can determine a more accurate weight of it.
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It is a command, and an important one as well. You can actually measure how deeply into the service of Satan a woman is by how much she rebels against and worms around these commands of the Living God. You can measure how wicked the men are by how much they support and allow whoredom and feminism of the women. Woe and disaster and indescribable suffering to the shameful generations that did every single thing wrong in the eyes of God in defying the holy commands of God and tried to change the right ways into the ways that are wrong! Woe to them for the judgements of God be upon their fallen society already for these things!
C
At the end of the day we can conjecture, assume, interpolate and extrapolate about who did what and when, and some of us might be right or partially right in our conclusions. But the reality is, that God passed judgement on Adam and Eve and sentenced both to hard labour and to eventually physically die. It is interesting to talk about it, but the fait accompli is that God drove both out of His presence.
Soooo, what now? We can’t change God’s order of things, so how do we live our God given separate gender roles and responsibilities out in our marriages, and in the present day church? These roles and responsibilities haven’t been changed by God since church day 1!
Soooo, what now? We can’t change God’s order of things, so how do we live our God given separate gender roles and responsibilities out in our marriages, and in the present day church? These roles and responsibilities haven’t been changed by God since church day 1!
It's not about control. If the society, which is "they", do not acknowledge their ways are extremely evil and also acknowledge that God has been judging them, then God will certainly pour out the next sore judgement, and after that judgement all that is left is the Sword and no civilization ever survives the Sword.
