Was the “forbidden fruit” very good?

[NotmebutHim]

That’s true I agree. This opens an important question about God’s foreknowledge. I believe God knows all things and can predict the future with 100% accuracy. Did God know they would be disobedient?

Yes He did

But I also believe God knew would would have happened if Adam & Eve HADN'T eaten from that tree, or if they had disobeyed in some other way down the road. Because God knows ALL things, not only does He know what WILL happen, but He also knows what COULD happen.

That knowledge is called "middle knowledge" and people such as Eric Hankins, William Lane Craig, Tim Stratton and Braxton Hunter have written and spoken extensively about MK.

 

[Webers.Home]

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• Gen 3:1a . . Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field
which the Lord God had made.

Probably no other creature in the Bible provokes so much skepticism as the
Serpent. It just smacks of mythology.

But this particular serpent was no ordinary reptile. It was indeed a
remarkable creature. Not only was it capable of language, and able to
communicate on a very sophisticated level with human beings, but it had an
exceptional IQ too. It grasped the significance of a supreme being; it totally
understood the workings of human nature and the human mind; and it knew
how to achieve an end by means of dishonesty. No mere animal is capable
of that degree of insight, cognition, and communication.

The final book in the New Testament confirms the Serpent's true identity,
and it is none other than the dark spirit being well known to everyone as the
Devil and Satan. (Rev 20:1-3)
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[Lanolin]

well we know dogs wont obey unless we train them to obey lol

and in training you have to allow for things to go wrong its called contingency planning.

God knows humans are weak and not born clever, our brains are plastic and need to be moulded, and we need to gain strength by exercising.

You dont just walk out of the womb fully clothed and knowing everything already do you?

 

[Lanolin]

*forgets that I was ever a child*

 

[reneweddaybyday]

After God created everything, including the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, God called His creation very good.

Yes. In agreement.

God created a “tree” with “fruit” that imparts the knowledge of good and evil to those who eat from it.

I believe Adam and Eve had knowledge of good (in fact very good) as that was all they knew from the time they had breath life.

So I really don't know that it was the fruit which imparted knowledge of evil. My thinking is that Adam and Eve's disobedience to the command is what imparted to them the knowledge of evil ... just my 2¢.
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[Eli1]

As we’ve said before in this forum, the tree of knowledge was to give man a choice and to obey one simple command.
It’s not about the taste buds if it tasted very good or not, or some biological molecular engineering where it changes a man’s body from immortal to moral.

It’s poetry to convey a point. Disobedience.

 

[Aaron56]

“But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”

The knowledge of good and evil was also the inheritance of Adam and Eve. This would have been dispensed, in measure, as they walked with God. The knowledge of good and evil requires the maturing of the saint, not the eating of the mature fruit of the tree.

 

[Oriel36]

I suppose St Francis of Assisi put it best when, paraphrasing St Paul through an analogy, he expresses the greatest Christian life there is. All Christian gifts are part of us but do not belong to us so we do not take to ourselves those things which belong to God only while all the internal and external challenges belong to us-

"And now, brother, listen to the conclusion. Above all the graces and all the gifts of the Holy Spirit which Christ grants to his friends, is the grace of overcoming oneself, and accepting willingly, out of love for Christ, all suffering, injury, discomfort and contempt; for in all other gifts of God we cannot glory, seeing they proceed not from ourselves but from God" St Francis of Assisi

http://www.missa.org/joie_parfaite_e.php

 

[Oriel36]

Many Christians through history felt, as I do, that what fell in Adam, rose and lived in Christ as the reward of being as selfless as possible is a love of life and creation -

"What else did Adam do but this same thing? It is said, it was because Adam ate the apple that he was lost, or fell. I say, it was because of his claiming something for his own, and because of his I, Mine, Me, and the like. Had he eaten seven apples, and yet never claimed anything for his own, he would not have fallen: but as soon as he called something his own, he fell, and would have fallen if he had never touched an apple." Christian writing

https://ccel.org/ccel/anonymous/theologia/theologia.v.III.html

 

[Runningman]

As we’ve said before in this forum, the tree of knowledge was to give man a choice and to obey one simple command.
It’s not about the taste buds if it tasted very good or not, or some biological molecular engineering where it changes a man’s body from immortal to moral.

It’s poetry to convey a point. Disobedience.

I’m not concerned with how the fruit tasted, but rather with if the forbidden fruit very good in a moral sense.

 

[Runningman]

Yes. In agreement.





I believe Adam and Eve had knowledge of good (in fact very good) as that was all they knew from the time they had breath life.

So I really don't know that it was the fruit which imparted knowledge of evil. My thinking is that Adam and Eve's disobedience to the command is what imparted to them the knowledge of evil ... just my 2¢.
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Possibly. I always assumed Adam and Eve were a bit like children.

 

[Webers.Home]

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The forbidden fruit itself was actually inert; proven by the fact that its
chemistry had no effect upon Eve when she tasted it. It wasn't till Adam ate
some that she became interested in terminating her bottomless lifestyle.

FAQ: Was the first couple totally ignorant of good and evil prior to the
incident?

REPLY: At first glance Genesis 3:22 makes it appear so, but the meaning of
that verse is very subtle and requires an explanation.

Humanity was created in the image and likeness of God; which means Adam
came into existence with a God-given conscience that was able to tell the
difference between good and evil from his maker's perspective. (The ability
to evaluate life from God's point of view is quite an advantage.)

Then along comes the Serpent and assures Eve she would be able to tell the
difference between good and evil with a conscience of her own making; viz:
he convinced Eve that the forbidden fruit would give her the power to
reinvent herself.

That's exactly what Gen 3:22 means where it says "the man has become as
one of us" in other words: the Adams made themselves a divine sovereign
similar to, yet independent of, the divine sovereign that made them.

• John 10:34 . . Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your Law, "I have
said you are gods"
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