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If you consider the Greek interpretation of "salvation, save, saved" it means "a deliverance, deliver, delivered".
Before being quickened to the new spiritual life, we only have faith in mankind, and his accomplishments. 1 Cor 2:14. After we have been quickened by God's sovereign grace, without any action on man's part, considering he is spiritually dead. Eph 2:1-5.
Once a person has been delivered (saved) from his sins, by Jesus's death on the cross, after he has been born again with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit Eph 2:1-5. (spiritual faith being a fruit of the Holy Spirit Gal 5:22) and does not do spiritual works, his spiritual faith will not deliver (save) him from the chastening of God. James chapter 2 has reference to spiritual faith, not un-regenerant man's faith. 1 Cor 2:14).
Before being quickened to the new spiritual life, we only have faith in mankind, and his accomplishments. 1 Cor 2:14. After we have been quickened by God's sovereign grace, without any action on man's part, considering he is spiritually dead. Eph 2:1-5.
Once a person has been delivered (saved) from his sins, by Jesus's death on the cross, after he has been born again with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit Eph 2:1-5. (spiritual faith being a fruit of the Holy Spirit Gal 5:22) and does not do spiritual works, his spiritual faith will not deliver (save) him from the chastening of God. James chapter 2 has reference to spiritual faith, not un-regenerant man's faith. 1 Cor 2:14).
By your determination not to give credit that Jesus's faith, in Gal 2:16, justified you, and claiming that it is your faith that makes you just when in actuality, your faith is as filthy rags, without the imputed righteousness of Christ. So, why don't you just give Jesus all of the credit for making you just, instead of taking credit for yourself? To believe in the fact that Jesus's faith justified us is the right answer.
This is half baked truth. I agree on some parts of your statement that "it is finished and there would be no more sacrifice for sins..." But i disagree with your opening statement. I think you have no verse to backed up your claim. Interestingly, "the faith of Christ" his sufferings, martyrdom (death on the cross) provides salvation to whosever believeth that includes you and me and to all who would believe.
No, I disagree with your last statement. James ch. 2 is clearly talking about what kind of faith that is the justification kind. The kind of faith that produces the fruit of the Spirit is the kind that brings God's justification, this is clear from the texts of Paul and James. James says that a claimed faith in Christ that does not result in real love for God's people is not the kind of faith that results in justification. This is clear when the whole context of James is considered. Further, it is talking about our faith, the faith we have, not a faith that Jesus has.
But it begs a question, because you use the phrase "spiritual faith." Do you think that spiritual faith is only possessed by Christ and is not a faith that we have? I'm seeing more context of what you're saying than merely your responses to me. I saw that you said "If you are one of the ones that Jesus died for on the cross, Jesus's work is finished as far as saving you eternally, no matter whether you 'place your faith in his finished' work or not. " Even this begs a question, do you think that if a person is one of the ones Jesus died for, then that person is saved no matter if they believe in Christ or not?
But it begs a question, because you use the phrase "spiritual faith." Do you think that spiritual faith is only possessed by Christ and is not a faith that we have? I'm seeing more context of what you're saying than merely your responses to me. I saw that you said "If you are one of the ones that Jesus died for on the cross, Jesus's work is finished as far as saving you eternally, no matter whether you 'place your faith in his finished' work or not. " Even this begs a question, do you think that if a person is one of the ones Jesus died for, then that person is saved no matter if they believe in Christ or not?
Do you fully understand the meaning of "THE JUST"? Just, according to Greek translation means "innocent, holy". The just, who place their faith in him, are those that have already been born again, who's faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit given in the new birth, and not the un-regenerant person's faith.
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I again ask: When the apostle James wrote "if someone says he has faith, but has no works, can that faith save him?"
Do you believe James is making faith the saving action or saving source?
Your silence on this question leads me to believe you do think James is saying that, because you use exactly the same logic on me. When I wrote "The kind of faith that produces the fruit of the Spirit," you responded: "Our faith does not produce the Spirit."
Therefore, I take it that when you read "can that faith save him" in James, you think he is saying that faith is the thing that saves. If you deny this, then you are not consistent in how you read things. At the very least, when you read what I write, you're not trying to understand what you're reading, but instead you are looking for something wrong, and projecting it on what I write. Such a practice accompanies reading things into scripture that is not originally intended.
But I'll still hand you the answer on a silver platter. "the kind of faith that produces the fruit of the Spirit" means this:
Faith in Jesus Christ accompanies the indwelling Spirit, which causes a person to pay close attention to the words of Jesus, thereby leading him abiding in Christ, resulting in the Spirit producing fruit in that person's life and ministry.
So I admit that I created a shortcut to a point, exactly as James did in his epistle. But now that you have nitpicked at what I wrote in this post, will you consider the whole thing carefully?
Do you believe James is making faith the saving action or saving source?
Your silence on this question leads me to believe you do think James is saying that, because you use exactly the same logic on me. When I wrote "The kind of faith that produces the fruit of the Spirit," you responded: "Our faith does not produce the Spirit."
Therefore, I take it that when you read "can that faith save him" in James, you think he is saying that faith is the thing that saves. If you deny this, then you are not consistent in how you read things. At the very least, when you read what I write, you're not trying to understand what you're reading, but instead you are looking for something wrong, and projecting it on what I write. Such a practice accompanies reading things into scripture that is not originally intended.
But I'll still hand you the answer on a silver platter. "the kind of faith that produces the fruit of the Spirit" means this:
Faith in Jesus Christ accompanies the indwelling Spirit, which causes a person to pay close attention to the words of Jesus, thereby leading him abiding in Christ, resulting in the Spirit producing fruit in that person's life and ministry.
So I admit that I created a shortcut to a point, exactly as James did in his epistle. But now that you have nitpicked at what I wrote in this post, will you consider the whole thing carefully?
Heres your opening statement "Jesus died for the sins of all of those that the Father gave him..." and I challenge your claim to provide scripture reference. Here's my comment, John 6: 37-40, here in this passage has no relationship over Christ death, "the faith of Christ". This is about the raising up again at the last day of those who are saved. While John 10:27-29 has nothing to do with the faith of Christ, his martyrdom or such death on the cross. John 17:2 is yet another unrelated to your statements" Christ died for all those that the Father gave him" and Acts 11:48 is not found in the bible if i am not mistaken.
While I agree with your point being made, I do believe a clarification is needed about the faith of Christ.
Jesus Christ was fully God and fully man. As God (The second person of the Godhead) he had no faith as we think of it. God cannot have faith in God. Just as God cannot pray to God. As man, he could and did have faith in the promises of God. As man He could pray to the Father, as He did in John 17. While Jesus Christ was one, His Holy nature and Perfect Human nature were separate.
In studying the koine Greek for many decades, I do believe that several translations of the verses do not capture the intended message of the writer. Here is one example:
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;
This is the verse as it is generally translated. However, the Greek will allow another translation, which I believe is closer to the Truth. Note the changes marked in red:
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God through the faithfulness of Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;
After all, is not the righteousness of God come through the faithful Person and Work of Jesus Christ? Additionally, if we except the long held translation of this verse it creates a redundancy. Mainly: Faith in Jesus Christ is the same thing as "them that believe". In the corrected translation, the subject of God's righteousness is to: "them that believe" and the object of their belief is: "Jesus Christ".
Just a thought and a little grammar.
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