Is The Earth Flat Or Round?

[RichGladden]

This Is a poll to find out If the community believes that the Earth Is flat or Round?

I do not know, but I find the flat-Earth theory more acceptable and Biblical. How else will every eye see Him when He comes unless it is slow and lengthy coming? But the phrase "As lightning from the East..." tells me there is nothing slow about it.

 

[GaryA]

So too, people may be wrong about the shape of the Earth without having bought in to "the Lie of Satan".

Maybe you should tone down your rhetoric. There's no need to imply that others are diabolically deceived just because they disagree with you.

It is not my intent to insult anyone who may be deceived; rather, it is my intent - out of "caring concern" - to bring awareness to the fact that the deception is real.

The phrase 'Lie of Satan' (as I used it) refers to a well-orchestrated-and-carried-out very-intentional deception by some very evil people on this earth (Satan is their leader) for the purpose of gaining and maintaining control of the world population.

Revelation 12:

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

If someone is deceived by it, then they are deceived by it.

If someone buys into it - well - that is what they have done.

And, it does not necessarily mean that they are evil - but, that they are deceived.

That simple fact alone does not cause any insult or injury to them at all.

There is no "dishonor" in being unknowingly deceived.

 

[Oriel36]

Normally I wouldn't engage in a thread where such an impossibly low standard of reasoning exists, after all, even contending with a flat Earther in order to convince them otherwise is beneath Christians at whatever level they appreciate Christ and Christianity.

Although I am no great lover of St Augustine in these matters, he is right when people who consider themselves Christians diminish the writers of different traditions in the Bible-

"Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men." Augustine

 

[GaryA]

The phrase 'Lie of Satan' (as I used it) refers to a well-orchestrated-and-carried-out very-intentional deception by some very evil people on this earth (Satan is their leader) for the purpose of gaining and maintaining control of the world population.

And, there several of these - affecting every area of our reality.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Don't waste your time listening to Steven Anderson. Rather, find someone who speaks the truth and backs it up with godly character.

I'm looking for the place in the sermon that is untrue and him expressing Ungodliness?

I'm reminded of I Timothy 5

"“Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.”

 

[Dino246]

It is not my intent to insult anyone who may be deceived; rather, it is my intent - out of "caring concern" - to bring awareness to the fact that the deception is real.

The phrase 'Lie of Satan' (as I used it) refers to a well-orchestrated-and-carried-out very-intentional deception by some very evil people on this earth (Satan is their leader) for the purpose of gaining and maintaining control of the world population.

Revelation 12:

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

If someone is deceived by it, then they are deceived by it.

If someone buys into it - well - that is what they have done.

And, it does not necessarily mean that they are evil - but, that they are deceived.

That simple fact alone does not cause any insult or injury to them at all.

There is no "dishonor" in being unknowingly deceived.

And, I have one question:

To what end?

WHY would the devil bother with leading people to believe the earth is a certain shape when salvation doesn't depend on it? I believe what the Bible says just as much as you do, though we differ in what it means, at least on this point. Is my effectiveness for the Kingdom diminished as a result of believing differently than you? I very much doubt it. Is your ministry diminished as a result of believing different than I? It depends on where you focus your efforts. If on this one issue, I suspect your effectiveness is much reduced. If this is a tertiary issue for you, then probably not. If the devil can get you focusing your attention on tertiary issues and thereby diminish your effectiveness otherwise, I'd suggest you are the one deceived.

 

[Dino246]

I'm looking for the place in the sermon that is untrue and him expressing Ungodliness?

I'm reminded of I Timothy 5

"“Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.”

I didn't accuse him of saying anything untrue in this particular video, but I have heard him say untrue things in other videos. That's enough for me to dismiss him entirely.

 

[Gojira]

So too, people may be wrong about the shape of the Earth without having bought in to "the Lie of Satan".

Maybe you should tone down your rhetoric. There's no need to imply that others are diabolically deceived just because they disagree with you.

Agreed. While I think it's almost frightening that people today still believe the world is a pancake (as delicious as that might be), I'm not sure it's a core issue. Pre-Trib / post-trib, spherical / flat earth... these are not salvation-deciding.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I didn't accuse him of saying anything untrue in this particular video, but I have heard him say untrue things in other videos. That's enough for me to dismiss him entirely.

We all come from various backgrounds and have differences with many preachers. I've dismissed every pastor with a false gospel.
His sermon on the topic is the only one I have heard so far. One thing I have to say on his behalf is that he uses on average more Scripture per sermon than anyone else that I've heard. His gospel is Biblically sound too.

 

[Moses_Young]

A flat map has one purpose. Ease of use when travelling. It can be laid out flat, on a flat surface.
All navigation for ships, submarines & planes is done using spherical geometry.

Either you believe spherical geometry is faulty and avoid maps based on it.
Or you use those maps and admit they are accurate.
You can't have it both ways.

I disagree with your logic. Your argument requires that I believe the navigation maps for ships, submarines and planes is done using spherical geometry, and is then laid out on flat maps. Got any proof for that claim? Because without it, your argument goes in my favour - why aren't you using spherical-shaped maps, as flat-maps are obviously the most accurate, because they are what is used. Sure, you can claim that spherical-shaped maps aren't convenient, but then why use maps at all? The inconvenience of having to carry a map is offset by the time it saves by keeping you going in the right direction.

 

[Moses_Young]

We all come from various backgrounds and have differences with many preachers. I've dismissed every pastor with a false gospel.
His sermon on the topic is the only one I have heard so far. One thing I have to say on his behalf is that he uses on average more Scripture per sermon than anyone else that I've heard. His gospel is Biblically sound too.

I've listened to pastor Steven Anderson. He is a down-the-line preacher, and I respect him. Not one to tickle itching ears, so I can understand that many dislike him.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

I disagree with your logic. Your argument requires that I believe the navigation maps for ships, submarines and planes is done using spherical geometry, and is then laid out on flat maps. Got any proof for that claim? Because without it, your argument goes in my favour - why aren't you using spherical-shaped maps, as flat-maps are obviously the most accurate, because they are what is used. Sure, you can claim that spherical-shaped maps aren't convenient, but then why use maps at all? The inconvenience of having to carry a map is offset by the time it saves by keeping you going in the right direction.

You seem to be missing the very obvious point. I didn't say that navigation is always laid out on flat maps.
What I told you was that navigation is based on spherical geometry. Fact. No one travels without it.

There is no such thing as a FE map.

Flat Earthers do not have a map.
They are using a globe map which has been flattened.

That is completely different from going out and charting the planet.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I've listened to pastor Steven Anderson. He is a down-the-line preacher, and I respect him. Not one to tickle itching ears, so I can understand that many dislike him.

The topic at hand isn't one that I divide fellowship over or have hard feelings. They aren't one of the doctrines that come up on church statements of faith either. It's ok with me if someone differs on the subject. I'm just glad to find out that they are saved.
Pastor Anderson preaches topics that are "politically incorrect", made liberals mad and had most of his YouTube channels censored, so if you ever want to find new ones, just let me know.

https://www.kjv1611only.com/video/12other/You_Cant_Stop_Us.mp4
😸

 

[Dino246]

I disagree with your logic. Your argument requires that I believe the navigation maps for ships, submarines and planes is done using spherical geometry, and is then laid out on flat maps. Got any proof for that claim? Because without it, your argument goes in my favour - why aren't you using spherical-shaped maps, as flat-maps are obviously the most accurate, because they are what is used. Sure, you can claim that spherical-shaped maps aren't convenient, but then why use maps at all? The inconvenience of having to carry a map is offset by the time it saves by keeping you going in the right direction.

Your ignorance with regard to mapping is profound. I suggest you do some learning before you speak further on the subject.

 

[Oriel36]

The flat Earth proponents are so crude that they may as well believe the Earth is square or a triangle. Even the fact that they misuse Christian writings is not issue even if non-believers imagine this is what Christians believe. Leave them at it if they are happy in their own flat Earth world !.

The scientific community is a different matter as it amounts to one of the greatest acts of vandalism ever visited on solar system research and specifically a round and rotating Earth-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth

The Earth's Equatorial rotation velocity is 1037.5 mph and not the figure given in Wikipedia and other websites. A silly conclusion was made in the late 17th century where they attempted to shift the rotation of the Earth away from the central/stationary Sun and its effects such as the day/night cycle and shifted it to the daily change in the position of the stars-

So here we are, a society that either proposes an utterly nonsensical flat Earth our of being crude of mind or a scientific community that overthinks the relationship between timekeeping with a round and rotating Earth and comes up with a stupid conclusion-

https://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/JennyChen.shtml

The Earth turns once every 24 hours creating the sunrise/noon/sunset cycle and a thousand rotations in a thousand 24 hour days, at least for those who are both scientific and spiritual.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I do not know, but I find the flat-Earth theory more acceptable and Biblical. How else will every eye see Him when He comes unless it is slow and lengthy coming? But the phrase "As lightning from the East..." tells me there is nothing slow about it.

Do you have a bible verse?

 

[RichGladden]

Do you have a bible verse?

Several comes to mind, and I am sure you are aware of each of them and readied your response. Should I be wrong, I would advise you to look to the lesser god Youtube for answers.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Several comes to mind, and I am sure you are aware of each of them and readied your response. Should I be wrong, I would advise you to look to the lesser god Youtube for answers.

You should vote In the poll👆🏾

 

[GaryA]

All navigation for ships, submarines & planes is done using spherical geometry.

This is a moot point - since there is no such thing as spherical measurement in this context.

All distance measurements in this context are point-A-to-point-B flat measurements - land, sea, or air - no curvature is measured - only distance.

If you map flat data onto a sphere - and then, later, you translate it back to flat to make a flat map - it does not mean that the landscape is a sphere.

For the whole process, it is only assumed to be a sphere - or, that there is curvature present.

The math may sound really good - but it is only math - and does not necessarily reflect reality.

Either you believe spherical geometry is faulty and avoid maps based on it.
Or you use those maps and admit they are accurate.
You can't have it both ways.

It is pretty silly that you would try to back him into a corner with such as this...

I believe it is entirely possible for him to use a map that he does not think is completely accurate albeit he still finds it to be useful.

Not to mention - if it happens to be the only thing available...

No one ever has to "admit" that a map is 'accurate' to use it. Trusting it is a whole other issue...

In this context, I believe spherical geometry is faulty - because, the curvature is assumed instead of measured.

 

[GaryA]

Normally I wouldn't engage in a thread where such an impossibly low standard of reasoning exists, after all, even contending with a flat Earther in order to convince them otherwise is beneath Christians at whatever level they appreciate Christ and Christianity.

Although I am no great lover of St Augustine in these matters, he is right when people who consider themselves Christians diminish the writers of different traditions in the Bible-

"Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men." Augustine

What if he wrote this as propaganda in order to "prevent such an embarrassing situation"...?

You may not be "a great lover of St Augustine" [in these matters]; however, it sure seems that - for some strange reason - you still [automatically] believe that everything he said/says is somehow incontrovertibly true...???