The offer of Salvation is universal, but the application is only : "by Faith".

[Runningman]

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. (2Ti 3:15)

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. (Isa 28:10-13)

You didn’t answer my question. You are a fallen man. So why are you trying to interpret the word of God? By your own reasoning, the Bible is complicated because all people are fallen. I just don’t agree with that.

 

[crossnote]

You didn’t answer my question. You are a fallen man. So why are you trying to interpret the word of God? By your own reasoning, the Bible is complicated because all people are fallen. I just don’t agree with that.

You ever hear of being born again? Having God's Spirit? The Author of Scripture.

But God has revealed them to us by His Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, yea, the deep things of God. For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of man within him? So also no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. But we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit from God, so that we might know the things that are freely given to us by God. These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1Co 2:10-14)

God's Spirit makes a big difference between the fallen and regenerate.

 

[Runningman]

You ever hear of being born again? Having God's Spirit? The Author of Scripture.

But God has revealed them to us by His Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, yea, the deep things of God. For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of man within him? So also no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. But we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit from God, so that we might know the things that are freely given to us by God. These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1Co 2:10-14)

God's Spirit makes a big difference between the fallen and regenerate.

You’re a fallen man. Not just you, but all people. You aren’t released from God’s curse on humanity and this world. You may be forgiven and under grace but you aren’t in the same state that Adam and Eve were prior to their disobedience; they were perfectly sinless, but you and I are not.

From the point of your salvation until the end, you’ll sin many times, but you’ll truly not want to. Spiritual regeneration is different than regeneration of the flesh. Regeneration of the flesh comes in the resurrection.

To be honest I kind of get the vibe that the angle you’re coming at me with is that you think I am an unregenerate sinner, fallen, that I complicate the Bible, and that I’m spiritually discerned. Are you saying I’m not a Christian?

 

[Dino246]

You should be ashamed.

You've no understanding of the meaning of blasphemy.
Sarah was special to God and was named by him to be mother of nations.

Someone who blasphemes God's appointed to that end, and insults her with such vulgar words as they did, isn't defensible.They're contemptible.

Because they hold Sarah in contempt with their hate filled slurs. When they unapologetically hold the Mother of Nations in contempt they hold the Bible in contempt.And that's holding God in contempt.

You may have noticed there are more than one like that here. I'm new and I can't miss it.

While some defend them. And even presume to speak for them. As if they weren't speaking as themselves before when they showed that contempt.

That's indefensible. No matter your allegiance or relationship to them.

They meant to insult Sarah. And they did. And then avoided responsibility.

Now you're attempting to excuse their offense when they didn't even do that.
They stood by it by avoiding responsibility when confronted. Which means they full well meant every word.

As did I when I rebuked their act.

Don't attempt to chastise me for being intolerant of such a one as that.


Someone can read their slur and see what they said of Sarah, who any true Bible student knows was barren.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Or what you're defending.

I won't discuss this with you further.

Yawn.

 

[Mem]

There is no such thing as blasphemy against a human. You can blaspheme God, but not a human. Her comment wasn’t even an insult.

I believe "their' predetermined hostility toward 'them' might go a lot farther back than first appearances, and I, albeit inadvertently, pulled at a frayed thread which should've been mended by now after all this time but... I see it persists yet.

 

[Mem]

That isn’t predestination then. That’s a choice and then being slotted into the predestination category. That’s callled a self-fulfilling prophecy. Nothing logical or consistent with the body of scripture concerning that.

please tell me how it works.

I think God's foreknowledge holds the key to the question of predestination. God (fore)knows everyone intimately. And although public declaration using honeyed words might persuade men, who can hide the heart from Him?

 

[Mem]

I think God's foreknowledge holds the key to the question of predestination. God (fore)knows everyone intimately. And although public declaration using honeyed words might persuade men, who can hide the heart from Him?

That is, no one should be telling me anything new by pointing out my shortcomings, though they might assume the responsibility. If I 'know the truth,' I mean. Moses didn't hesitate to 'reveal' his to God and is called 'the humblest' among men, even though he was characteristically brash. I believe his example is one of sincerity.

 

[Magenta]

Sarah was special to God and was named by him to be mother of nations.

Someone who blasphemes God's appointed to that end, and insults her
with such vulgar words as they did, isn't defensible. They're contemptible.

Because they hold Sarah in contempt with their hate filled slurs.

Sarah's empty dust lined baby shelf.

Those are not vulgar words. Nor are they contemptible hate filled slurs

Why are you so insulted?

 

[Mem]

Those are not vulgar words. Nor are they contemptible, or hate filled slurs

I imagined them to be sympathetic, but it doesn't translate that way for some of 'them.'

 

[Bluesproverb]

Those are not vulgar words. Nor are they contemptible, or hate filled slurs

Why are you so insulted?

Mem insulted Abraham's wife Sarah using those labels to insult her barrenness.
Read their words slowly to see that.
I won't repost them here out of respect for Sarah's memory as God's appointed and blessed mother of nations.

Dino was OK with it, to his shame. No one should defend that blasphemy. Mem meant nothing good by those words.
Read their initial insult post and the follow-up when the insult was noted.
He and Sarah are tight.

 

[Magenta]

I imagined them to be sympathetic, but it doesn't translate that way for some of 'them.'

Over-the-top severity of vehement abhorrence does not translate well (if at all) to empathy.

 

[Magenta]

Read their words slowly to see that.

No, I do not need to read slowly. I have seen the posts in question a number
of times now. Your reaction was extreme, ferocious, and uncalled for.

 

[Magenta]

I had a pet raccoon named Ferocious. She was sweet

 

[Bluesproverb]

No, I do not need to read slowly. I have seen the posts in question
a number of times now. Your reaction was extreme and uncalled for.

My response was justified.

Since you don't understand the import if their insult against Sarah, your judgement of me is uncalled for and pathetic.

'Sarah's [womb] an empty dust lined baby shelf.'

Forgive me God for repeating Men's blasphemy.

If you think that's not an insult against Sarah you're not paying attention.
I'm not discussing this further. Mem showed their nature then and afterward, along with HeIsHere.

Their behaviors are indefensible to Christians.

 

[Magenta]

My response was justified.

Since you don't understand the import if their insult against Sarah, your judgement of me is uncalled for and pathetic.

'Sarah's [womb] an empty dust lined baby shelf.'

Forgive me God for repeating Men's blasphemy.

If you think that's not an insult against Sarah you're not paying attention.

Mem did not say that. Perhaps you should read more slowly and not jump to conclusions you find so repulsive.

 

[Mem]

I had a pet raccoon named Ferocious. She was sweet

oh dear, she is pretending to knee-capitate you! aww!!

 

[Magenta]

oh dear, she is pretending to knee-capitate you! aww!!

I may have given her something to eat to keep her occupied

That was the very last time she was ever in the house...

 

[Mem]

I may have given her something to eat to keep her occupied

That was the very last time she was ever in the house...

It certainly looks as though you fed her well. She's a chunk!

 

[Mem]

bluesperson said less than an hour ago in a different thread; "Veneration of the dead, as some call it necromancy, idol worship, polytheism, thinking Mary is to be revered as co-redemptrux, and more."... hmm

 

[crossnote]

You’re a fallen man. Not just you, but all people. You aren’t released from God’s curse on humanity and this world. You may be forgiven and under grace but you aren’t in the same state that Adam and Eve were prior to their disobedience; they were perfectly sinless, but you and I are not.

From the point of your salvation until the end, you’ll sin many times, but you’ll truly not want to. Spiritual regeneration is different than regeneration of the flesh. Regeneration of the flesh comes in the resurrection.

To be honest I kind of get the vibe that the angle you’re coming at me with is that you think I am an unregenerate sinner, fallen, that I complicate the Bible, and that I’m spiritually discerned. Are you saying I’m not a Christian?

No, I don’t know where you stand with God. But Christ bore the curse due us. He has given us His Spirit that we may grow in understanding of His Word (among other things)