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awake know ..sorta. Ha its this one. The discussion designed to rob us of our hope and trust in the Fathers keeping,
as if Paul didnt go far enough in describing the infinate bounds of the Love of God that we will never be seperated from.
To get us distracted to look at ourselves. Ha
First the Hebrew verses come in since the content and intent hasnt been widely understood, nor left to say
what it says rather than fitting more words in than belong.
The verse in revelation says fall, which doesnt mean the church would go to hell, man what kind of dicipline is that?
Their love had wained in constant duty to the point they had neglected the One their duty was for?...give me a break, you say
Jesus was threatenning, well it doesnt make sense since He said they had already fallen...crazy
Now the move is into the ole business of if you have eternal security it becuase ya wanna sin arguement. I wish people
would take polls on this kinda stuff before they make these statements. Heard it so many times.
Salvation is of the Lord! Amen!
awake know ..sorta. Ha its this one. The discussion designed to rob us of our hope and trust in the Fathers keeping, as if Paul didnt go far enough in describing the infinate bounds of the Love of God that we will never be seperated from.
To get us distracted to look at ourselves. Ha
First the Hebrew verses come in since the content and intent hasnt been widely understood, nor left to say
what it says rather than fitting more words in than belong.
The verse in revelation says fall, which doesnt mean the church would go to hell, man what kind of dicipline is that?
Their love had wained in constant duty to the point they had neglected the One their duty was for?...give me a break, you say
Jesus was threatenning, well it doesnt make sense since He said they had already fallen...crazy
Now the move is into the ole business of if you have eternal security it becuase ya wanna sin arguement. I wish people
would take polls on this kinda stuff before they make these statements. Heard it so many times.
Salvation is of the Lord! Amen!
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A false christian does not know truth anyway. OSAS is not going to help or hurt them. It is an excuse thats all. If they were really seeking truth (or actually wanted to hear it) they would hear it.
People who use OSAS as an excuse do not love God, they love their sin, Even a legalistic false doctrine would not change thier minds.
even if it did, Just because truth might cause someone to continue to believe in a lie, does not mean truth is not truth.
People who use OSAS as an excuse do not love God, they love their sin, Even a legalistic false doctrine would not change thier minds.
even if it did, Just because truth might cause someone to continue to believe in a lie, does not mean truth is not truth.
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The lie to satan was that God did not want her to know truth. and wanted to be her master. He was not a God of love, he was holding back on her. He was not talking about sin and dieing.
Christ took the penalty of sin on his body. If he did not die for your sin. You have NO HOPE.
But thats ok, keep working for salvation. As Jesus said, On that day people will say, but did we not do all these things in your name (works) Jesus will say depart FOR I NEVER KNEW YOU.
Newsflash, If one was saved at one time, and then lost it. Jesus lied. For he would have known them at one time, And then they were lost. Jesus saying he NEVER knew them proves they were NEVER saved.
Christ took the penalty of sin on his body. If he did not die for your sin. You have NO HOPE.
But thats ok, keep working for salvation. As Jesus said, On that day people will say, but did we not do all these things in your name (works) Jesus will say depart FOR I NEVER KNEW YOU.
Newsflash, If one was saved at one time, and then lost it. Jesus lied. For he would have known them at one time, And then they were lost. Jesus saying he NEVER knew them proves they were NEVER saved.
Jesus told the woman caught in adultery to "go and sin no more." I never heard the woman answer, "Jesus, what you say is impossible." Jesus told the sick man of 38 years, "sin no more." I never heard the man say to Jesus, "You are telling something that is impossible to do." Paul says, "Awake to righteousness and SIN NOT." No one ever told Paul, "We are born sinners, it's impossible to stop sinning."
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If we say WE (Believers in Christ. Born again into the body of Christ, Christians) HAVE (present tense) no sin, (are sinless or could be sinless) we decieve ourselves. and TRUTH IS NOT IN US.
I guess John is a liar and a deciever himself! He spoke to christians, not unbelievers. And he spoke present tense. Not past tense.
Your argument is with God who inspired the word. Not me.
Phariseeism will not get you to heaven.
Jesus did not tell her to go and never sin again, He knew she could not do that. He told her to go and not live an active sin live anymore. Repent, Change your life.
I guess John is a liar and a deciever himself! He spoke to christians, not unbelievers. And he spoke present tense. Not past tense.
Your argument is with God who inspired the word. Not me.
Phariseeism will not get you to heaven.
Jesus did not tell her to go and never sin again, He knew she could not do that. He told her to go and not live an active sin live anymore. Repent, Change your life.
I don wake up in the morning and think am goona sin today,i don,well if we do we have a problem...anyways we r called to live a live worthy of our calling in Christ Jesus n even if we fall just make sure he is a loving father who is ready to forgive so repent beleive its forgiven n ask God for strength..v importanr y weshould have full armour of God,n spend more tym prayin n readin his word den writting blogs abt him..mhm punch punch
The truth is once saved always saved is true,if you allow the Spirit to lead you to do what is right,for without the Spirit you are none of Christ's saints.
But once saved always saved is false,if they hold unto the belief that a person can never fall away from start to finish,which even Paul said if he did not do what is right he would be a castaway.
Even Paul said it is possible for him to be a castaway,shipwreck his salvation,if he did not do what is right,among other examples in the Bible.
Which then leads to the doctrine of predestination,where it really stems from predestination,for to believe in the misinterpretation of predestination,would lead them to believe they cannot fall,which one wrong interpretation can cause a domino effect of misinterpretations of other scriptures and faulty beliefs made up by them.
We have seen many examples in our lifetime of people who claimed Christ as Lord,and then stopped believing,some even going to the occult,and some becoming an atheist,and some not believing in any type of religion at all.
So if these people claimed Christ as Lord,and then did not claim Christ as Lord,then how do the people that believe they are the elect know if they are the elect,and know if they were sincere enough when they did claim Christ as Lord to be the elect,and how do they know if they might fall away,and if they say,well those people were not sincere when they claimed Christ as Lord and that is why they ceased claiming Christ as Lord,then how did they claim Christ in the first place if they were not sincere about it,and how did they claim Christ as Lord if they are not the elect,especially when Jesus said nobody comes to the Father except the Father draws them,and nobody calls Jesus,Lord,except by the Holy Spirit.
It would seem by the interpretation that they give of predestination,which leads to once saved always saved,that only the elect could claim Jesus as Lord,but we have examples of people who claimed Christ as Lord and then ceased,some even dying still not claiming Christ as Lord after they ceased,and how did they claim Christ as Lord in the first place if they are not the elect.
It would seem like only the elect,since they were chosen beforehand,without their participation,would be able to claim Christ as Lord and no one else,but that is not the case,for many have claimed and then stopped claiming,and the Bible says many are called but few are chosen,so if the elect is chosen beforehand,without their participation,then why is God calling people to follow Him and a lot are not chosen,when if they are not the elect why would God call them in the first place if they were already not chosen from the foundation of the world.
But once saved always saved is false,if they hold unto the belief that a person can never fall away from start to finish,which even Paul said if he did not do what is right he would be a castaway.
Even Paul said it is possible for him to be a castaway,shipwreck his salvation,if he did not do what is right,among other examples in the Bible.
Which then leads to the doctrine of predestination,where it really stems from predestination,for to believe in the misinterpretation of predestination,would lead them to believe they cannot fall,which one wrong interpretation can cause a domino effect of misinterpretations of other scriptures and faulty beliefs made up by them.
We have seen many examples in our lifetime of people who claimed Christ as Lord,and then stopped believing,some even going to the occult,and some becoming an atheist,and some not believing in any type of religion at all.
So if these people claimed Christ as Lord,and then did not claim Christ as Lord,then how do the people that believe they are the elect know if they are the elect,and know if they were sincere enough when they did claim Christ as Lord to be the elect,and how do they know if they might fall away,and if they say,well those people were not sincere when they claimed Christ as Lord and that is why they ceased claiming Christ as Lord,then how did they claim Christ in the first place if they were not sincere about it,and how did they claim Christ as Lord if they are not the elect,especially when Jesus said nobody comes to the Father except the Father draws them,and nobody calls Jesus,Lord,except by the Holy Spirit.
It would seem by the interpretation that they give of predestination,which leads to once saved always saved,that only the elect could claim Jesus as Lord,but we have examples of people who claimed Christ as Lord and then ceased,some even dying still not claiming Christ as Lord after they ceased,and how did they claim Christ as Lord in the first place if they are not the elect.
It would seem like only the elect,since they were chosen beforehand,without their participation,would be able to claim Christ as Lord and no one else,but that is not the case,for many have claimed and then stopped claiming,and the Bible says many are called but few are chosen,so if the elect is chosen beforehand,without their participation,then why is God calling people to follow Him and a lot are not chosen,when if they are not the elect why would God call them in the first place if they were already not chosen from the foundation of the world.
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[/QUOTE]I totally agree with everything you have said on this thread. Well done.
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
If you don't mind me cutting in I'd like to explain to them that;
"We are not saved through good works lest any man should boast".. MEANS.....we were rotten in our sins when Christ first called us. We came to him UNCLEAN. We were ROTTEN. We were not good. Whatever good works we did prior meant nothing because Christ is the only one who can FORGIVE sins. We cannot get to heaven by good works.
When we finally do ask for forgiveness & acknowledge our sins, we receive forgiveness freely. THE SLATE IS NOW WIPED CLEAN. From here on we have a SECOND CHANCE to PROVE our FAITH by GOOD WORKS & NOT SIN anymore like we used to. We have to CHANGE. We are now under MERCY. That second chance to now produce GOOD FRUITS (good works) for Christ. We have been shown TRUTH now. We are not in darkness but now walk in the Light and the Light exposes all things. The light exposes SIN and now that we are aware of sin we ought to stay away from it, because sin is evil and it is a trait of Satan, our No. 1 enemy.
We should take our salvation with fear and trembling. Never be too sure of ourselves, or we will get slack and justify our sins. We have to strive for perfection and be nice to everybody, especially our brethren. Everything we do & say, we do to the Lord. We cannot judge our own salvation, only Christ can judge that. We can only have hope.
Exercise love everybody. Even if you can't agree. You can be gentle in your answers or rebukes. The devil tries to divide us. Just be aware. Pride is no good & nastiness is not fitting for a saint.
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Their works. So it is important.
God bless you everybody.
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
If you don't mind me cutting in I'd like to explain to them that;
"We are not saved through good works lest any man should boast".. MEANS.....we were rotten in our sins when Christ first called us. We came to him UNCLEAN. We were ROTTEN. We were not good. Whatever good works we did prior meant nothing because Christ is the only one who can FORGIVE sins. We cannot get to heaven by good works.
When we finally do ask for forgiveness & acknowledge our sins, we receive forgiveness freely. THE SLATE IS NOW WIPED CLEAN. From here on we have a SECOND CHANCE to PROVE our FAITH by GOOD WORKS & NOT SIN anymore like we used to. We have to CHANGE. We are now under MERCY. That second chance to now produce GOOD FRUITS (good works) for Christ. We have been shown TRUTH now. We are not in darkness but now walk in the Light and the Light exposes all things. The light exposes SIN and now that we are aware of sin we ought to stay away from it, because sin is evil and it is a trait of Satan, our No. 1 enemy.
We should take our salvation with fear and trembling. Never be too sure of ourselves, or we will get slack and justify our sins. We have to strive for perfection and be nice to everybody, especially our brethren. Everything we do & say, we do to the Lord. We cannot judge our own salvation, only Christ can judge that. We can only have hope.
Exercise love everybody. Even if you can't agree. You can be gentle in your answers or rebukes. The devil tries to divide us. Just be aware. Pride is no good & nastiness is not fitting for a saint.
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Their works. So it is important.
God bless you everybody.
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I totally agree with everything you have said on this thread. Well done.
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
If you don't mind me cutting in I'd like to explain to them that;
"We are not saved through good works lest any man should boast".. MEANS.....we were rotten in our sins when Christ first called us. We came to him UNCLEAN. We were ROTTEN. We were not good. Whatever good works we did prior meant nothing because Christ is the only one who can FORGIVE sins. We cannot get to heaven by good works.
When we finally do ask for forgiveness & acknowledge our sins, we receive forgiveness freely. THE SLATE IS NOW WIPED CLEAN. From here on we have a SECOND CHANCE to PROVE our FAITH by GOOD WORKS & NOT SIN anymore like we used to. We have to CHANGE. We are now under MERCY. That second chance to now produce GOOD FRUITS (good works) for Christ. We have been shown TRUTH now. We are not in darkness but now walk in the Light and the Light exposes all things. The light exposes SIN and now that we are aware of sin we ought to stay away from it, because sin is evil and it is a trait of Satan, our No. 1 enemy.
We should take our salvation with fear and trembling. Never be too sure of ourselves, or we will get slack and justify our sins. We have to strive for perfection and be nice to everybody, especially our brethren. Everything we do & say, we do to the Lord. We cannot judge our own salvation, only Christ can judge that. We can only have hope.
Exercise love everybody. Even if you can't agree. You can be gentle in your answers or rebukes. The devil tries to divide us. Just be aware. Pride is no good & nastiness is not fitting for a saint.
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Their works. So it is important.
God bless you everybody.
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Gal 3: 2 - 4 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?
Why is it so many people want to attempt to perfect their salvation by doing good works? Do we really believe that our works done out of fleshly desires after we are saved are any less putrid to God than before?
A person who is saved will show humility in doing things, not for self gain (although he may also do things out os self gain. He is not perfect) but you will see a changed life.
a person who was never saived will always do works (even what we consider good works ) out of self gain. and not for God. As paul said "if indeed it was in vein or you were even saved in the first place)
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
If you don't mind me cutting in I'd like to explain to them that;
"We are not saved through good works lest any man should boast".. MEANS.....we were rotten in our sins when Christ first called us. We came to him UNCLEAN. We were ROTTEN. We were not good. Whatever good works we did prior meant nothing because Christ is the only one who can FORGIVE sins. We cannot get to heaven by good works.
When we finally do ask for forgiveness & acknowledge our sins, we receive forgiveness freely. THE SLATE IS NOW WIPED CLEAN. From here on we have a SECOND CHANCE to PROVE our FAITH by GOOD WORKS & NOT SIN anymore like we used to. We have to CHANGE. We are now under MERCY. That second chance to now produce GOOD FRUITS (good works) for Christ. We have been shown TRUTH now. We are not in darkness but now walk in the Light and the Light exposes all things. The light exposes SIN and now that we are aware of sin we ought to stay away from it, because sin is evil and it is a trait of Satan, our No. 1 enemy.
We should take our salvation with fear and trembling. Never be too sure of ourselves, or we will get slack and justify our sins. We have to strive for perfection and be nice to everybody, especially our brethren. Everything we do & say, we do to the Lord. We cannot judge our own salvation, only Christ can judge that. We can only have hope.
Exercise love everybody. Even if you can't agree. You can be gentle in your answers or rebukes. The devil tries to divide us. Just be aware. Pride is no good & nastiness is not fitting for a saint.
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Their works. So it is important.
God bless you everybody.
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Gal 3: 2 - 4 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?
Why is it so many people want to attempt to perfect their salvation by doing good works? Do we really believe that our works done out of fleshly desires after we are saved are any less putrid to God than before?
A person who is saved will show humility in doing things, not for self gain (although he may also do things out os self gain. He is not perfect) but you will see a changed life.
a person who was never saived will always do works (even what we consider good works ) out of self gain. and not for God. As paul said "if indeed it was in vein or you were even saved in the first place)