"Wages of sin is death"

[MOC]

God says in His Word that the penalty for sin is death. Believers and unbelievers take these words out of context and twist them around to fit their narrative, whether they understand it or not. Those who do not study the Word of God and don't have a close personal relationship with Him may have difficulty discerning between the physical and spiritual death of people. Death is inevitable for all of humanity. It was through Adam and Eve's disobedience that we were all born into sin. As Christians, we can find peace in knowing that our sins are paid for by the blood of Jesus Christ. Many believe however that the Bible teaches that the "wages of sin" is eternal torture. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that. It says in Isaiah 13:9, "Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it." Notice that the sinners will be "destroyed" and not tortured forever in the Lake of fire. When sin runs rampant in a Christian's life, it can cause death either due to the natural consequences of that sin or because God allowed it. But for the Christian, death is a physical one and not the final judgment by which unbelievers will be tortured forever.

So why did the Author use the word "wages" in describing sin and death? The answer is pretty simple. When we work a job, we hope to get paid what we deserve. So, through the work of sin that is within us, the payment is death. It's our "wages" for sin. We go through most of our lives thinking that we deserve more or better. But, what we actually deserve is death.

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ." Paul addresses the Church and contrasts between sin and grace, death and life. Because of humanity's fall(Adam and Eve), we all will die. But because of God's love, He has given us the greatest and most important gift for humanity.........Jesus! We will have everlasting life after our physical bodies die. This Bible verse is probably the most precise Gospel presentation in Scripture. It's to the point, leading us to understand our sinful nature and the promise of everlasting life with Jesus!

 

[Webers.Home]

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• Rom 6:23 . .The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in
Christ Jesus our Lord.

The Greek word translate "wages" is somewhat ambiguous. It actually has
more to do with nourishment than finances. It primarily refers to military
rations; which are far more important in the line of duty.

For example, quite a few young soldiers in North Korea oftentimes have to
resort to theft in order to keep themselves from becoming too weak from
hunger because Kim Jong-Un puts a higher priority on military hardware
than his people's health.

In contrast: sin results in malnutrition; whereas faith in Jesus' flesh and blood
results in excellent health. (John 6:48-58)
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[Runningman]

God says in His Word that the penalty for sin is death. Believers and unbelievers take these words out of context and twist them around to fit their narrative, whether they understand it or not. Those who do not study the Word of God and don't have a close personal relationship with Him may have difficulty discerning between the physical and spiritual death of people. Death is inevitable for all of humanity. It was through Adam and Eve's disobedience that we were all born into sin. As Christians, we can find peace in knowing that our sins are paid for by the blood of Jesus Christ. Many believe however that the Bible teaches that the "wages of sin" is eternal torture. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that. It says in Isaiah 13:9, "Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it." Notice that the sinners will be "destroyed" and not tortured forever in the Lake of fire. When sin runs rampant in a Christian's life, it can cause death either due to the natural consequences of that sin or because God allowed it. But for the Christian, death is a physical one and not the final judgment by which unbelievers will be tortured forever.

So why did the Author use the word "wages" in describing sin and death? The answer is pretty simple. When we work a job, we hope to get paid what we deserve. So, through the work of sin that is within us, the payment is death. It's our "wages" for sin. We go through most of our lives thinking that we deserve more or better. But, what we actually deserve is death.

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ." Paul addresses the Church and contrasts between sin and grace, death and life. Because of humanity's fall(Adam and Eve), we all will die. But because of God's love, He has given us the greatest and most important gift for humanity.........Jesus! We will have everlasting life after our physical bodies die. This Bible verse is probably the most precise Gospel presentation in Scripture. It's to the point, leading us to understand our sinful nature and the promise of everlasting life with Jesus!

One thing that I think will help us all understand how the church misunderstood this is how the English Bible is translated. Look up G5590 in your concordance and then compare the definition of psuchē (breath, soul) to the word of choice the translators supplanted it with.

They often tactically said, life, mind, or heart.

Then interchange their chosen word with the literal definition of psuchē which is breath, soul. You’ll see a major shift in how the entire Bible is traditionally understood, but it actually creates better harmony with the body of scriptures and letters.

 

[oyster67]

. But for the Christian, death is a physical one and not the final judgment by which unbelievers will be tortured forever.

Amen.

Matthew 25:46

“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”

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[Runningman]

Amen.

Matthew 25:46

“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”

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Good catch I didn’t see him say that at first. Actually it seems like his overall message seems to say there is no eternal torment because he also said this:

“Many believe however that the Bible teaches that the "wages of sin" is eternal torture. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that.”

So which is it? waiting for OP to confirm. @MOC

 

[oyster67]

Good catch I didn’t see him say that at first. Actually it seems like his overall message seems to say there is no eternal torment because he also said this:

“Many believe however that the Bible teaches that the "wages of sin" is eternal torture. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that.”

So which is it? waiting for OP to confirm. @MOC

Torture is not a Bible word. That much is true, but it is also splitting hairs, because...

Matthew 25:46

“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”

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[Webers.Home]

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• John 12:24 . . Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into
the earth and dies, it remains by itself alone; but if it dies, it bears much
fruit.

That law of nature applies to any number of cereal grasses, e.g. rice, rye,
barley, oats, etc. which were all created and completed on the 3rd day. (Gen
1:11-13) telling me that there was death in Adam's world before he tasted
the forbidden fruit.

Also, there are insects whose adult stage survives only long enough to breed
and lay eggs for the next generation. These kinds of bugs perish not long
after completing their nymph stage; for example Cicadas whose adult lives
expend within one or two months. Locusts are known to survive on average
three to five months.

It's very important that vegetarian types of bugs undergo massive die-offs
on a regular basis or otherwise their numbers would increase to the point
where no crops on Earth would make it to harvest; and both man and beast,
back before the invention of insecticides, would likely have suffered
perpetual famines. Mosquitoes, fleas, and lice would've been serious
problems too.
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[Runningman]

Torture is not a Bible word. That much is true, but it is also splitting hairs, because...



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Torment can be torture. Torment doesn’t have to be physically painful. It really depends how you want to split the hairs.

 

[chess-player]

God says in His Word that the penalty for sin is death. Believers and unbelievers take these words out of context and twist them around to fit their narrative, whether they understand it or not. Those who do not study the Word of God and don't have a close personal relationship with Him may have difficulty discerning between the physical and spiritual death of people. Death is inevitable for all of humanity. It was through Adam and Eve's disobedience that we were all born into sin. As Christians, we can find peace in knowing that our sins are paid for by the blood of Jesus Christ. Many believe however that the Bible teaches that the "wages of sin" is eternal torture. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that. It says in Isaiah 13:9, "Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it." Notice that the sinners will be "destroyed" and not tortured forever in the Lake of fire. When sin runs rampant in a Christian's life, it can cause death either due to the natural consequences of that sin or because God allowed it. But for the Christian, death is a physical one and not the final judgment by which unbelievers will be tortured forever.

So why did the Author use the word "wages" in describing sin and death? The answer is pretty simple. When we work a job, we hope to get paid what we deserve. So, through the work of sin that is within us, the payment is death. It's our "wages" for sin. We go through most of our lives thinking that we deserve more or better. But, what we actually deserve is death.

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ." Paul addresses the Church and contrasts between sin and grace, death and life. Because of humanity's fall(Adam and Eve), we all will die. But because of God's love, He has given us the greatest and most important gift for humanity.........Jesus! We will have everlasting life after our physical bodies die. This Bible verse is probably the most precise Gospel presentation in Scripture. It's to the point, leading us to understand our sinful nature and the promise of everlasting life with Jesus!

Please define DEATH in a few words so that we can go from there.

 

[p_rehbein]

A lot of what is being said in Scripture concerning "death," is "spiritual death." Everyone will suffer physical death, but only the unsaved will experience spiritual death. Need to remember this when reading the Scriptures methinks..

 

[oyster67]

Torment can be torture. Torment doesn’t have to be physically painful. It really depends how you want to split the hairs.

Let's make a tutorial on how to split hairs!

 

[MOC]

Good catch I didn’t see him say that at first. Actually it seems like his overall message seems to say there is no eternal torment because he also said this:

“Many believe however that the Bible teaches that the "wages of sin" is eternal torture. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that.”

So which is it? waiting for OP to confirm. @MOC

The penalty for sin is death. For the believer, death can be the natural consequence of sin or by God's hand. For the unbeliever who rejects Christ, their death will be forever in torment portrayed in the lake of fire.

 

[BroTan]

God says in His Word that the penalty for sin is death. Believers and unbelievers take these words out of context and twist them around to fit their narrative, whether they understand it or not. Those who do not study the Word of God and don't have a close personal relationship with Him may have difficulty discerning between the physical and spiritual death of people. Death is inevitable for all of humanity. It was through Adam and Eve's disobedience that we were all born into sin. As Christians, we can find peace in knowing that our sins are paid for by the blood of Jesus Christ. Many believe however that the Bible teaches that the "wages of sin" is eternal torture. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that. It says in Isaiah 13:9, "Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it." Notice that the sinners will be "destroyed" and not tortured forever in the Lake of fire. When sin runs rampant in a Christian's life, it can cause death either due to the natural consequences of that sin or because God allowed it. But for the Christian, death is a physical one and not the final judgment by which unbelievers will be tortured forever.

So why did the Author use the word "wages" in describing sin and death? The answer is pretty simple. When we work a job, we hope to get paid what we deserve. So, through the work of sin that is within us, the payment is death. It's our "wages" for sin. We go through most of our lives thinking that we deserve more or better. But, what we actually deserve is death.

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ." Paul addresses the Church and contrasts between sin and grace, death and life. Because of humanity's fall(Adam and Eve), we all will die. But because of God's love, He has given us the greatest and most important gift for humanity.........Jesus! We will have everlasting life after our physical bodies die. This Bible verse is probably the most precise Gospel presentation in Scripture. It's to the point, leading us to understand our sinful nature and the promise of everlasting life with Jesus!

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

So when Paul says the wages of Sin is Death, that's a physical death he's taking about.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

A lot of what is being said in Scripture concerning "death," is "spiritual death." Everyone will suffer physical death, but only the unsaved will experience spiritual death. Need to remember this when reading the Scriptures methinks..

The unsaved are spiritually dead. Thats why they must be born again. If they died having come=on tinted to be in a state of unbelief (having never recieved christ) they will remain in this dead state for eternity

 

[Runningman]

The penalty for sin is death. For the believer, death can be the natural consequence of sin or by God's hand. For the unbeliever who rejects Christ, their death will be forever in torment portrayed in the lake of fire.

No that’s false. The Bible doesn’t say that’s what happens to all of the unbelievers. John 3:16 says they don’t live forever and they perish. Kinda hard to be tormented if one is utterly destroyed.

 

[Webers.Home]

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Gen 2:15-17 is a favorite among critics because Adam didn't drop dead
within 24 hours of tasting the forbidden fruit. In point of fact, he continued
to live outside the garden of Eden for another 800 years after the birth of his
son Seth (Gen 5:4).

Some say Adam died a "spiritual" death, and that's true, but not entirely
true, viz: the explanation isn't misinformation, rather, it's missing information.

Human life was created in the image and likeness of God. In other words;
human life came out of the box with immortality, i.e. with perpetual youth.
Adam lost immortality when he tasted the forbidden fruit, i.e. his body lost
its perpetual youth and began to age.

Adam's body became infected with mortality, which is a lingering death
rather than sudden death, i.e. mortality is slow, but very relentless: like
Arnold Swarzenegger's movie character "The Terminator"— mortality feels
neither pain nor pity, nor remorse nor fear; it cannot be reasoned with nor
can it be bargained with, and it absolutely will not stop-- ever! --until your
body is ready for burial.

• Eccl 7:2 . . It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house
of mirth, for death is the destiny of every man: the living should take this
seriously. (cf. Luke 12:16-21)
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[MOC]

No that’s false. The Bible doesn’t say that’s what happens to all of the unbelievers. John 3:16 says they don’t live forever and they perish. Kinda hard to be tormented if one is utterly destroyed.

So the disagreement is in the definition of the penalty for rejecting Christ? Destroyed vs existing, but tormented forever?

 

[Runningman]

So the disagreement is in the definition of the penalty for rejecting Christ? Destroyed vs existing, but tormented forever?

I disagree that those who reject Christ can have eternal life and be conscious forever to experience torment.

So if I read you correctly, you’re saying even though the wages of sin is death they don’t actually die?

 

[MOC]

I disagree that those who reject Christ can have eternal life and be conscious forever to experience torment.

So if I read you correctly, you’re saying even though the wages of sin is death they don’t actually die?

So brother, lets agree to be thankful we don't have to worry about being utterly destroyed or tormented

 

[Webers.Home]

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FAQ: Do people in Hell have eternal life?

REPLY: Eternal life is a divine form of life unavailable to folks in Hell-- down
there they're all stuck with human life.

By applying one's concept of the natures of bird life, bug life, human life, and/or
beast life, we can attain at least some concept of the nature of divine life.

According to 2Pet 1:2-4 there is a measure of divine life available to certain
folk who qualify for it. Divine life doesn't turn folks into gods, but it does make
them similar to God in certain respects-- actually similar to His son; which is a very
big advantage.
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