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Again with the bitter sarcasm. How can you confident that the spirit that you are being led by is the right one? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to insinuate that you are a part of some worldwide religious conspiracy led by the Antichrist to enslave the christian masses by false signs and wonders. However, could it be that you are being led by your own flesh and not the Holy Spirit who's fruits include love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness & kindness? Could it be that all the time that you have spent in books researching your favorites doctrines as well as learning about those who oppose has somehow hardened your heart toward others and placed a wedge of sorts between you and the Holy Spirit? By no means am I doubting your salvation however, it's obvious that sincerity is clearly absent in many of your posts.
S
Dear eternallygratefull,
Does Calvinism contradict the Gospel? Yes:
"Demeaning The Great Commission" "How can God's grace reach, with regeneration, the "totally depraved" sinner who is incapable of believing the gospel? What could be more logical than something called Irresistible Grace to impose salvation upon those whom God has elected to be saved? And since man is powerless to believe unto salvation, wouldn't it follow of necessity that salvation must be imposed upon him without his first believing the gospel? If Total Depravity means that no man can believe the gospel unto salvation, then not only the theory of Irresistible Grace follows but also its corollary: man must be regenerated and made alive before he can believe and be saved.
"Yet a biblical view keep slipping in, betrayed by un-Calvinistic admissions. For example, the following from Sproul: "Once Luther grasped the teaching of Paul in Romans, he was reborn." (1) This slip of the pen contradicts the claim that one must first be regenerated and only then can the gospel be understood and believed. Which is it? We are reborn/ regenerated before we can believe the gospel, or through believing the gospel? Or are we reborn twice, once by God's sovereign act before we believe, and then again after first being regenerated and given the faith to believe?
"In contrast, the Bible repeatedly declares in the plainest language (not only in the passages quoted above [Mark 16:16, John 1:12, John 6:47, John 11:26, John 20:31, Acts 16:31, Acts 18:8, Romans 1:16, Romans 10:9, 1 Cor. 1:21, Heb. 10:39, 1 John 5:1, etc.] but elsewhere as well) that no man can be changed from unrepentant sinner to child of god without from the heart believing the gospel and, as a result of believing, being born of the Spirit of God. But if no one can believe the gospel without first being regenerated by the Spirit of God, as Calvinism declares, then not only the damnation of billions but the continuance of evil must be God's will inasmuch as He chooses to regenerate so few and to move upon so few hearts with Irresistible Grace. The Bible, reason and conscience are all contradicted. ..."
Notes.
1. Sproul, R.C. (1993). The Holiness of God. Tyndale House Publishers, Inc., p. 144.
(pp. 316-317: Hunt, Dave. (2002). What Love Is This? Calvinism's Misrepresentation of God. Click Sisters, OR: Loyal Publishing, Inc.
God bless us all. In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington
Does Calvinism contradict the Gospel? Yes:
"Demeaning The Great Commission" "How can God's grace reach, with regeneration, the "totally depraved" sinner who is incapable of believing the gospel? What could be more logical than something called Irresistible Grace to impose salvation upon those whom God has elected to be saved? And since man is powerless to believe unto salvation, wouldn't it follow of necessity that salvation must be imposed upon him without his first believing the gospel? If Total Depravity means that no man can believe the gospel unto salvation, then not only the theory of Irresistible Grace follows but also its corollary: man must be regenerated and made alive before he can believe and be saved.
"Yet a biblical view keep slipping in, betrayed by un-Calvinistic admissions. For example, the following from Sproul: "Once Luther grasped the teaching of Paul in Romans, he was reborn." (1) This slip of the pen contradicts the claim that one must first be regenerated and only then can the gospel be understood and believed. Which is it? We are reborn/ regenerated before we can believe the gospel, or through believing the gospel? Or are we reborn twice, once by God's sovereign act before we believe, and then again after first being regenerated and given the faith to believe?
"In contrast, the Bible repeatedly declares in the plainest language (not only in the passages quoted above [Mark 16:16, John 1:12, John 6:47, John 11:26, John 20:31, Acts 16:31, Acts 18:8, Romans 1:16, Romans 10:9, 1 Cor. 1:21, Heb. 10:39, 1 John 5:1, etc.] but elsewhere as well) that no man can be changed from unrepentant sinner to child of god without from the heart believing the gospel and, as a result of believing, being born of the Spirit of God. But if no one can believe the gospel without first being regenerated by the Spirit of God, as Calvinism declares, then not only the damnation of billions but the continuance of evil must be God's will inasmuch as He chooses to regenerate so few and to move upon so few hearts with Irresistible Grace. The Bible, reason and conscience are all contradicted. ..."
Notes.
1. Sproul, R.C. (1993). The Holiness of God. Tyndale House Publishers, Inc., p. 144.
(pp. 316-317: Hunt, Dave. (2002). What Love Is This? Calvinism's Misrepresentation of God. Click Sisters, OR: Loyal Publishing, Inc.
God bless us all. In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington
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Okay. Good. If you affirm that regeneration comes before faith, that's Calvinism. I was responding to Hearer, who seems to affirm Calvinism. I am sorry if I confused your views with Hearer's. But you seemed to be agreeing with him, so I thought that would mean you're Calvinistic in your thinking. Every Christian affirms to sovereignty of God. Calvinism goes beyond sovereignty into causality. God does not have to be the cause of everything to be sovereign over everything.
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I did not ever say, dear friend, that God caused everything. The thorns and thistles which grow amidst the good harvest were sown by the enemy, as it is written. So not eveyone is saved because they are the sons pf perdition.
But God does cause us to be reborn whether before we ask for his grace or after we ask for his grace but the wind blows where it wishes.
The main point is that people should not presume upon their rebirth as if their profession of faith means they are reborn. Until they are established by God and they have a harvest.
AT the moment I have no harvest only seed. But I hope that I will sow in good soil.
But if I dn't then at least I am being generous sharing my little bits with those who will hear.
But God does cause us to be reborn whether before we ask for his grace or after we ask for his grace but the wind blows where it wishes.
The main point is that people should not presume upon their rebirth as if their profession of faith means they are reborn. Until they are established by God and they have a harvest.
AT the moment I have no harvest only seed. But I hope that I will sow in good soil.
But if I dn't then at least I am being generous sharing my little bits with those who will hear.
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Dear Hearer, If you affirm Calvinism, inasmuch as you agree with the belief that regeneration must precede belief, then, that is a Calvinist belief. Not a belief taught by Scripture.
What's wrong with Calvinism? Plenty!:
"Love: The Missing Ingredient" "God's love for the lost and love of Christians for the lost -- two major interrelated themes of Scripture -- have no part in Calvinism. We know many who would take offense at that statement and who, indeed, are lovingly concerned for the lost. This is, however, in spite of their Calvinism, not because of it. Though a Presbyterian theological professor and one-time Moderator of the General Assembly, Herrick John acknowledged:
"Across the Westminster Confession could justly be written: "The Gospel for the elect only." That Confession was written under the absolute dominion of one idea, the doctrine of predestination. It does not contain one of the three truths: God's love for a lost world; Christ's compassion for a lost world; and the gospel universal for a lost world." (1)
"There is no escaping the fact that in Calvin's entire Institute of the Christian Religion there is not one mention of God's love for the lost! Nor is that surprising in view of the fact that Calvin's God has no love for the lost but can only love the elect. (2) Does that not bother today's evangelical leaders who praise Calvin as the great exegete and call themselves Calvinists? Or haven't they noticed? How is that possible". (page 151: Hunt, Dave. (2002). WHAT LOVE IS THIS? Calvinism's Misrepresentation of God. Sisters, OR: Loyal Publishing. ).
Notes.
1. Quoted in Augustus H. Strong, Systematic Theology (Judson Press, 1907), p. 779.
2. Calvin, John. Institutes of the Christian Religion. Henry Beveridge, trans. Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1998 ed.), II:xvi, 3-4; II:xvii,2-5.
By God's grace only, In Christ Jesus Scott R. Harrington
[quote=Hearer;490636]how can it be positional? That is universalism and not all will come to Christ. Those who come to Christ are saved by grace unto belief and thus receiving faith.
1 Peter 4:10
Each one should use whatever gift he has received to serve others, faithfully administering God's grace in its various forms.
2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,To those who through the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours
1 Cor 12
4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.[/quote]
What's wrong with Calvinism? Plenty!:
"Love: The Missing Ingredient" "God's love for the lost and love of Christians for the lost -- two major interrelated themes of Scripture -- have no part in Calvinism. We know many who would take offense at that statement and who, indeed, are lovingly concerned for the lost. This is, however, in spite of their Calvinism, not because of it. Though a Presbyterian theological professor and one-time Moderator of the General Assembly, Herrick John acknowledged:
"Across the Westminster Confession could justly be written: "The Gospel for the elect only." That Confession was written under the absolute dominion of one idea, the doctrine of predestination. It does not contain one of the three truths: God's love for a lost world; Christ's compassion for a lost world; and the gospel universal for a lost world." (1)
"There is no escaping the fact that in Calvin's entire Institute of the Christian Religion there is not one mention of God's love for the lost! Nor is that surprising in view of the fact that Calvin's God has no love for the lost but can only love the elect. (2) Does that not bother today's evangelical leaders who praise Calvin as the great exegete and call themselves Calvinists? Or haven't they noticed? How is that possible". (page 151: Hunt, Dave. (2002). WHAT LOVE IS THIS? Calvinism's Misrepresentation of God. Sisters, OR: Loyal Publishing. ).
Notes.
1. Quoted in Augustus H. Strong, Systematic Theology (Judson Press, 1907), p. 779.
2. Calvin, John. Institutes of the Christian Religion. Henry Beveridge, trans. Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1998 ed.), II:xvi, 3-4; II:xvii,2-5.
By God's grace only, In Christ Jesus Scott R. Harrington
[quote=Hearer;490636]how can it be positional? That is universalism and not all will come to Christ. Those who come to Christ are saved by grace unto belief and thus receiving faith.
1 Peter 4:10
Each one should use whatever gift he has received to serve others, faithfully administering God's grace in its various forms.
2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,To those who through the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours
1 Cor 12
4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.[/quote]
S
I did not ever say, dear friend, that God caused everything. The thorns and thistles which grow amidst the good harvest were sown by the enemy, as it is written. So not eveyone is saved because they are the sons pf perdition.
But God does cause us to be reborn whether before we ask for his grace or after we ask for his grace but the wind blows where it wishes.
The main point is that people should not presume upon their rebirth as if their profession of faith means they are reborn. Until they are established by God and they have a harvest.
AT the moment I have no harvest only seed. But I hope that I will sow in good soil. But if I dn't then at least I am being generous sharing my little bits with those who will hear.
But God does cause us to be reborn whether before we ask for his grace or after we ask for his grace but the wind blows where it wishes.
The main point is that people should not presume upon their rebirth as if their profession of faith means they are reborn. Until they are established by God and they have a harvest.
AT the moment I have no harvest only seed. But I hope that I will sow in good soil.
But if I dn't then at least I am being generous sharing my little bits with those who will hear.
But you get your view of regeneration preceding faith from Calvinism. If you were consistent, you would believe all of Calvinism. Calvinism is a systematic whole, and demands you either accept the whole thing, or reject it all as unbiblical. You seem to be trying to pick-and-choose among which Calvinistic beliefs you will belief. What if not one doctrine of the five points of Calvinism is true? Your doctrine of regeneration preceding faith comes from the five points (TULIP) of Calvinism, so, if you believe that, you logically will believe TULIP, too.
But TULIP is totally pagan and false.
It is fatalism.
God save us all from the theology of Calvinism. Amen.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
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Romans Ch 9 sums up what Jesus taught about the father revealing truth about Jesus and Jesus choosing whom to reveal the Father.
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all!
15 For he says to Moses,
I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.
16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.
18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19 One of you will say to me: Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?
20 But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all!
15 For he says to Moses,
I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.
16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.
18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19 One of you will say to me: Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?
20 But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
S
[quote=Hearer;490012]Faith follows regeneration. First we have to be born again; then we receive faith as a gift. Otherwise we believe in works and our own flesh.
We are not regenerayed after developing faith but before.
Regeneration is the sovereign work pf God the Holy Spirit. We need only search for God's face, seeking and knocking and wanting a better life. Then we will receive the power to change and to have faith.
Abraham had God come to him to send him to a new country. Jacob saw Godon the staiway and was regenerated. The prophets predicted under the Spirit that we would all be given hearts of flesh having our stony hearts removed. Saul was regenerated and became Paul. Peter was faithless denying the Lord but was made the first apostle through regeneration. All received the gifts of God. The church had scattered at the crucifiixion but were regenerate at Pentecost receiving power from on high and became an unstoppable force filled with faith.
The best we can do is:
seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened, ask and ye shall receive; before your faith is full and flowing enough to make you fruitful. First you have to born again, regenerated.[/quote]
Dear Hearer, "The best we can do is" Calvinism? Not so. With God's grace, you can escape Calvinism! Consider:
"Does God Cause Man To Sin?
"For the omniscient God to know all, it is clearly not necessary that He must plan and cause all. That very idea, as we have shown, limits the scope of God's knowledge and thus actually denies omniscience. Ironically, the major tenets of Calvinism follow directly from this misconception about sovereignty and omniscience.
"It is true that God, being omniscient, knows all before it happens and therefore nothing can happen that He doesn't know. However, Calvin went much further in stating that God knows only what He has decreed. From that hypothesis it necessarily follows that God is the cause of all and therefore the cause of evil. The doctrine of Unconditional Election then follows: that just as evil is God's doing, so salvation, too, must be all of God without even faith on man's part. Pink readily confesses the logical conclusion to which Calvinism's view of sovereignty and omniscience ultimately lead:
... to deny God's foreknowledge is to deny His omniscience. .... But we must go further: not only ... did His omniscient eye see Adam eating of the forbidden fruit, but He decreed beforehand that he should do so. [Emphasis in original.]. (1)
"Here again the confused belief is offered that God's foreknowledge causes what He foreknows to occur, thus denying any choice to man. We have already seen that God, being separate from the time-space-matter universe He created, observes it from outside of time; thus His observation of the future leaves man free to choose. In fact, for God there is no time. Past, present and future are meaningful only to many as part of his temporary existence in this physical universe.
"God's knowledge of what to Him is one eternal present would have no effect upon what to man is still future. Calvin himself accepted this view without realizing its devastating impact upon his denial of man's ability to make genuine choices:
When we ascribe prescience to God, we mean that all things always were, and ever continue, under his eye; that to his knowledge there is no past or future, but all things are present, and indeed so present, that it is not merely the idea of them that is before him (as those objects are which we retain in memory), but that he truly sees and contemplates them as actually under his immediate inspection. This prescience extends to the whole circuit of the world, and to all creatures. (2)
"Are "Tempting" and "Testing" Meaningless Terms?
"Calvinism reasons that God, having foreordained from eternity past that Adam and Eve would eat of the Tree of Knowledge, forbids them to eat of it so He can punish them for doing what He foreordained and caused them to do! Then by Unconditional Election He saves a select few of their descendants to show His grace. That incredible scenario is unbiblical and dishonors God. It is contrary to the very character of a holy and just God who "cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man" (James 1:13). Far from causing sin, God doesn't even tempt man to sin, as we have already seen. ...."
(pages 192-193: WHAT LOVE IS THIS: CALVINISM'S MISREPRESENTATION OF GOD. by Dave Hunt. (2002). Sisters, OR: Loyal Publishing.).
Notes.
1. Arthur W. Pink. The Sovereignty of God. (Baker Book House, 2nd printing, 1986); p. 249.
2. Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, III:xxi,5.
God save us all from all heresies. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS We must believe whatever is canonical and true in whatever system, because to reject the canonical in any system is to reject the true and canonical in the only completely infallible source of the Gospel truth: the Holy traditions of the Holy Orthodox Church in the presence of the All-Holy Spirit. So, Dave Hunt is canonical in some things; in his pre tribulation rapture view, he is non-canonical and heretical; but what he has been saying about Calvinism is canonical and true.
We are not regenerayed after developing faith but before.
Regeneration is the sovereign work pf God the Holy Spirit. We need only search for God's face, seeking and knocking and wanting a better life. Then we will receive the power to change and to have faith.
Abraham had God come to him to send him to a new country. Jacob saw Godon the staiway and was regenerated. The prophets predicted under the Spirit that we would all be given hearts of flesh having our stony hearts removed. Saul was regenerated and became Paul. Peter was faithless denying the Lord but was made the first apostle through regeneration. All received the gifts of God. The church had scattered at the crucifiixion but were regenerate at Pentecost receiving power from on high and became an unstoppable force filled with faith.
The best we can do is:
seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened, ask and ye shall receive; before your faith is full and flowing enough to make you fruitful. First you have to born again, regenerated.[/quote]
Dear Hearer, "The best we can do is" Calvinism? Not so. With God's grace, you can escape Calvinism! Consider:
"Does God Cause Man To Sin?
"For the omniscient God to know all, it is clearly not necessary that He must plan and cause all. That very idea, as we have shown, limits the scope of God's knowledge and thus actually denies omniscience. Ironically, the major tenets of Calvinism follow directly from this misconception about sovereignty and omniscience.
"It is true that God, being omniscient, knows all before it happens and therefore nothing can happen that He doesn't know. However, Calvin went much further in stating that God knows only what He has decreed. From that hypothesis it necessarily follows that God is the cause of all and therefore the cause of evil. The doctrine of Unconditional Election then follows: that just as evil is God's doing, so salvation, too, must be all of God without even faith on man's part. Pink readily confesses the logical conclusion to which Calvinism's view of sovereignty and omniscience ultimately lead:
... to deny God's foreknowledge is to deny His omniscience. .... But we must go further: not only ... did His omniscient eye see Adam eating of the forbidden fruit, but He decreed beforehand that he should do so. [Emphasis in original.]. (1)
"Here again the confused belief is offered that God's foreknowledge causes what He foreknows to occur, thus denying any choice to man. We have already seen that God, being separate from the time-space-matter universe He created, observes it from outside of time; thus His observation of the future leaves man free to choose. In fact, for God there is no time. Past, present and future are meaningful only to many as part of his temporary existence in this physical universe.
"God's knowledge of what to Him is one eternal present would have no effect upon what to man is still future. Calvin himself accepted this view without realizing its devastating impact upon his denial of man's ability to make genuine choices:
When we ascribe prescience to God, we mean that all things always were, and ever continue, under his eye; that to his knowledge there is no past or future, but all things are present, and indeed so present, that it is not merely the idea of them that is before him (as those objects are which we retain in memory), but that he truly sees and contemplates them as actually under his immediate inspection. This prescience extends to the whole circuit of the world, and to all creatures. (2)
"Are "Tempting" and "Testing" Meaningless Terms?
"Calvinism reasons that God, having foreordained from eternity past that Adam and Eve would eat of the Tree of Knowledge, forbids them to eat of it so He can punish them for doing what He foreordained and caused them to do! Then by Unconditional Election He saves a select few of their descendants to show His grace. That incredible scenario is unbiblical and dishonors God. It is contrary to the very character of a holy and just God who "cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man" (James 1:13). Far from causing sin, God doesn't even tempt man to sin, as we have already seen. ...."
(pages 192-193: WHAT LOVE IS THIS: CALVINISM'S MISREPRESENTATION OF GOD. by Dave Hunt. (2002). Sisters, OR: Loyal Publishing.).
Notes.
1. Arthur W. Pink. The Sovereignty of God. (Baker Book House, 2nd printing, 1986); p. 249.
2. Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, III:xxi,5.
God save us all from all heresies. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS We must believe whatever is canonical and true in whatever system, because to reject the canonical in any system is to reject the true and canonical in the only completely infallible source of the Gospel truth: the Holy traditions of the Holy Orthodox Church in the presence of the All-Holy Spirit. So, Dave Hunt is canonical in some things; in his pre tribulation rapture view, he is non-canonical and heretical; but what he has been saying about Calvinism is canonical and true.
really?
i am totally serious, completely sincere, and absolutely at peace.
and the fruits of the spirit are for my brothers and sisters in Christ, and for the lost and perishing. i got something else for the deceivers though.
i have a suit of armour for the battle, and that battle is inside the church, and the infiltrators are well established.
did you know we got people today who are not Christians, they are not part of the Church at all, yet they look like Christians, sound like them, and pretend to be them?
but they're not. they're not saved at all. and they are looking to lie and destroy. so, i'm against them. every single one of them.
they are part of a movement which has dumped a whole load of false prophets and false apostles on us. now we gotta deal with THAT
but, Praise God - not like we weren't warned that it go down EXACTLY like this. that's the really cool thing about the scriptures - they tell us in advance what's going to happen.
~
no wedge between me and The Lord FOA...rest assured but thanks for the concern
incidentally: do you believe VW is an anointed prophet sent to prophesy to the Church?....you're A PROPHET ALSO, AREN'T YOU?
i am totally serious, completely sincere, and absolutely at peace.
and the fruits of the spirit are for my brothers and sisters in Christ, and for the lost and perishing. i got something else for the deceivers though.
i have a suit of armour for the battle, and that battle is inside the church, and the infiltrators are well established.
did you know we got people today who are not Christians, they are not part of the Church at all, yet they look like Christians, sound like them, and pretend to be them?
but they're not. they're not saved at all. and they are looking to lie and destroy. so, i'm against them. every single one of them.
they are part of a movement which has dumped a whole load of false prophets and false apostles on us. now we gotta deal with THAT
but, Praise God - not like we weren't warned that it go down EXACTLY like this. that's the really cool thing about the scriptures - they tell us in advance what's going to happen.
~
no wedge between me and The Lord FOA...rest assured but thanks for the concern
incidentally: do you believe VW is an anointed prophet sent to prophesy to the Church?....you're A PROPHET ALSO, AREN'T YOU?
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really?
i am totally serious, completely sincere, and absolutely at peace.
and the fruits of the spirit are for my brothers and sisters in Christ, and for the lost and perishing. i got something else for the deceivers though.
i have a suit of armour for the battle, and that battle is inside the church, and the infiltrators are well established.
did you know we got people today who are not Christians, they are not part of the Church at all, yet they look like Christians, sound like them, and pretend to be them?
but they're not. they're not saved at all. and they are looking to lie and destroy. so, i'm against them. every single one of them.
they are part of a movement which has dumped a whole load of false prophets and false apostles on us. now we gotta deal with THAT
but, Praise God - not like we weren't warned that it go down EXACTLY like this. that's the really cool thing about the scriptures - they tell us in advance what's going to happen.
~
no wedge between me and The Lord FOA...rest assured but thanks for the concern
incidentally: do you believe VW is an anointed prophet sent to prophesy to the Church?....you're A PROPHET ALSO, AREN'T YOU?
i am totally serious, completely sincere, and absolutely at peace.
and the fruits of the spirit are for my brothers and sisters in Christ, and for the lost and perishing. i got something else for the deceivers though.
i have a suit of armour for the battle, and that battle is inside the church, and the infiltrators are well established.
did you know we got people today who are not Christians, they are not part of the Church at all, yet they look like Christians, sound like them, and pretend to be them?
but they're not. they're not saved at all. and they are looking to lie and destroy. so, i'm against them. every single one of them.
they are part of a movement which has dumped a whole load of false prophets and false apostles on us. now we gotta deal with THAT
but, Praise God - not like we weren't warned that it go down EXACTLY like this. that's the really cool thing about the scriptures - they tell us in advance what's going to happen.
~
no wedge between me and The Lord FOA...rest assured but thanks for the concern
incidentally: do you believe VW is an anointed prophet sent to prophesy to the Church?....you're A PROPHET ALSO, AREN'T YOU?
I don't hate you Zone nor am I your enemy. I know full well how knowledge can inflate our religious pride and how religious zeal can be confused by the call of the Holy Spirit. Hyperspirituals do it all time, many on these boards are no different although their views may vary.