And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

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FreeGrace2 said:
Said the "dramatic one", who has such high sympathies for unbelievers who have NO EXCUSE for being cast into the LOF. Get real.
seriously you're out of quality comments.
You would think that.

You’ve already proven you’ll defend atheists.
No, you have proven that your reading skills aren't up to par. I''ve never defended them. In fact, I have quoted the BIBLE's description of them: FOOLS. How is that a defense of them? Are you able to understand this?

Let’s just put this on the record now. Are you an atheist?
Your questions are just getting more and more stupid. From all I've posted, you really do know better. But you've sunk this low in your desperate attempt to demonize me for disagreeing with your annihilationist views.

I am a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, who died for the sins of everyone, including me and you, and on the basis of my full trust in HIS work on the cross, He has given me the free gift of eternal life. I AM saved from the LOF by Him. And Him alone. I realize that I cannot save myself by anything I do. All I can do is trust in what He already DID for me.

So, if you persist in your bizarre comments about me, you will only continue to affirm your unbalanced thought processes.

I responded to your feelings about unbelievers, who have NO EXCUSE for where they will end up.
"There you go again, with your hyper-sensitive sentiments."
Interesting, you’re completely unable to relate to people. You’re out of touch with reality.
The reverse is true. Unbelievers don't earn your emotional sentiments. They get what they have chosen. That is biblical.

and your explanation is nonsense.
Communication has 2 parts; sender and received. Maybe the receiver needs a lot of work.

When will you get it through your skull that you are not convincing anyone with your lies here?
I suppose you somehow contacted EVERY person who reads threads but never posts any?

This is what I said:
"Those with sense don't have to do that because everyone else knows how physical flesh reacts to fire. Everyone."
Which verse says it’s literal fire?
And you completely go off the rails on a tangent. I was clearly talking about literal fire on flesh. The Bible uses words that people can relate to. I NEVER said the LOF was literal, but scholars believe that the LOF could be a distant star, which is a BALL of fire. Do you understand what the word "ball" means, and how that might help up understand what a LOF may be? Or do you understand what a "lake" is? Maybe that might help you relate to what the LOF is.

You’ve been here for 90+ pages and have learned nothing. That’s special.
All you have been doing in your post here is whine. I guess that's all you have.

Did you know Jesus trumps everyone?
The Bible says He saves all who believe in Him for eternal life.

Seems like this should go without saying, but Jesus is supposed to be the Lord of Christians.
Right. 1 Pet 3:15

He told me what to believe in the Bible so I obeyed and did it. It can’t be said the same for you.
You have been deceived by the prince of the world. As have atheists, who ALSO presume they will simply "cease to exist" when they die.

Best verse is Matthew 10:28. Now your turn: provide a verse that says unsaved souls will live forever.
Rev 20:10. You know it.

And your "best verse" doesn't even say what you claim as reality. That verse only speaks of possibility. Rev 20:10 speaks of reality. What WILL occur.

Have you even tried to reach atheists?
When I come across one.

Most of them despise people like you and will reject Christ vehemently because they think they’ll be punished forever.
You mean they will believe what I believe????

Actually, they’re about the same as you.
Said the guy who believes what they believe about "ceasing to exist".

They’ll argue a lot until they finally see that there is no eternal torment for all of the unsaved.
How will they "see" that? In fact, I don't argue with any unbeliever. That is a waste of time. If they only want to argue, they certainly aren't ready to hear the gospel.

I believe everything in the Bible.
You think you do.

You believe in a religion made by FreeGrace.
So, you really think I'm the only one who believes as I do? Where did all the other posters get their ideas from? Why don't you ask them.

Your whining is really petty. Because you have nothing else.
 
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Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

1Samuel 2:6 The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.
7 The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.
8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them.
9 He will keep the feet of his saints, and the wicked shall be silent in darkness; for by strength shall no man prevail.
10 The adversaries of the LORD shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the LORD shall judge the ends of the earth; and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: BUT RATHER FEAR HIM which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

And HE SAYS HE DOES. And HE SAYS there is a 2ND death. And those who have faith should know He not only is able but WILL.
When in 1 Sam 2 does Samuel say there is a "second death"? Revelation uses that term, but where does Samuel?

And when did "abe to" mean "will"?? You guys keep repeating that false notion, but you can't prove that it is true.
 
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No one cares. If you’re in a thread and arguing we can almost guarantee it’ll go for years. I just reply to you to keep this thread going. No one is reading your long-winded comments riddled with strife, screaming, and ad hominems.
Oh, so it appears you have contacted all the non-posting readers of this thread then. Yeah, sure. You know everything. Oh, that reminds me. It's called a "god complex".

Whining and whining. That's all you do. You gave your best shot and it missed the target my a light-year.
 

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I respect that attitude, but I’m just very curious about this. Please don’t tell me you’re a pre-tribber. If you are then okay, I won’t debate it here, just curious.
Scriptures is clear Jesus stated "this generation" the ones to whom He was speaking. The temple was destroyed in 70 AD.
 

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Good one Jackson. Destroy isn’t destroy, death isn’t death, everything it’s turned on it’s head so you don’t ever have to accept the definition of words. That’s how you make sure the Bible says what you prefer it to say? I’ll just stick with literal definitions.
And where it say destroy mean stop to exist
 
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Runningman said:
Good one Jackson. Destroy isn’t destroy, death isn’t death, everything it’s turned on it’s head so you don’t ever have to accept the definition of words. That’s how you make sure the Bible says what you prefer it to say? I’ll just stick with literal definitions.
And where it say destroy mean stop to exist
It is clear that he just can't help himself with all that false allegations about what destroy, death, etc means.

It's been clearly explained to him so he has no excuse for his claims. He just won't accept that the words refer to the resurrected mortal body experiencing all the death, destruction, etc.
 

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Runningman said:
Good one Jackson. Destroy isn’t destroy, death isn’t death, everything it’s turned on it’s head so you don’t ever have to accept the definition of words. That’s how you make sure the Bible says what you prefer it to say? I’ll just stick with literal definitions.

It is clear that he just can't help himself with all that false allegations about what destroy, death, etc means.

It's been clearly explained to him so he has no excuse for his claims. He just won't accept that the words refer to the resurrected mortal body experiencing all the death, destruction, etc.
Yep, destroy do not mean cease to exist. Devil lie to him through Ellen white and he believe to encourage some to kill himself tp end suffering
 
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Yep, destroy do not mean cease to exist. Devil lie to him through Ellen white and he believe to encourage some to kill himself tp end suffering
What a load of nonsense. I hadn’t even heard of Ellen White until yesterday. I don’t believe people should kill themself either nor did I ever say that. You’re a liar. I’m not even going to ask you to show the post number because it doesn’t exist.

Using dishonestly just hurts your already diminished credibility. I don’t know why you people resort to lies and slander to try to bolster your position.

As for me, I’ll just keep quoting verses proving that destroy means cease to exist. You have no verses to prove anything you’re saying.
 
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Runningman said:
Good one Jackson. Destroy isn’t destroy, death isn’t death, everything it’s turned on it’s head so you don’t ever have to accept the definition of words. That’s how you make sure the Bible says what you prefer it to say? I’ll just stick with literal definitions.

It is clear that he just can't help himself with all that false allegations about what destroy, death, etc means.

It's been clearly explained to him so he has no excuse for his claims. He just won't accept that the words refer to the resurrected mortal body experiencing all the death, destruction, etc.
It’s been clearly explained to you what the truth is. If you reject it that’s on you.
 
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Oh, so it appears you have contacted all the non-posting readers of this thread then. Yeah, sure. You know everything. Oh, that reminds me. It's called a "god complex".

Whining and whining. That's all you do. You gave your best shot and it missed the target my a light-year.
Nope, I proved that the wicked perish 100%.
 
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When in 1 Sam 2 does Samuel say there is a "second death"? Revelation uses that term, but where does Samuel?

And when did "abe to" mean "will"?? You guys keep repeating that false notion, but you can't prove that it is true.
Able to means we must accept that the destruction of the soul is a clear and present danger or there is nothing to fear. Sounds like you prefer the latter, a lie straight from the devil.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
Said the "dramatic one", who has such high sympathies for unbelievers who have NO EXCUSE for being cast into the LOF. Get real.

You would think that.


No, you have proven that your reading skills aren't up to par. I''ve never defended them. In fact, I have quoted the BIBLE's description of them: FOOLS. How is that a defense of them? Are you able to understand this?


Your questions are just getting more and more stupid. From all I've posted, you really do know better. But you've sunk this low in your desperate attempt to demonize me for disagreeing with your annihilationist views.

I am a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, who died for the sins of everyone, including me and you, and on the basis of my full trust in HIS work on the cross, He has given me the free gift of eternal life. I AM saved from the LOF by Him. And Him alone. I realize that I cannot save myself by anything I do. All I can do is trust in what He already DID for me.

So, if you persist in your bizarre comments about me, you will only continue to affirm your unbalanced thought processes.

I responded to your feelings about unbelievers, who have NO EXCUSE for where they will end up.
"There you go again, with your hyper-sensitive sentiments."

The reverse is true. Unbelievers don't earn your emotional sentiments. They get what they have chosen. That is biblical.


Communication has 2 parts; sender and received. Maybe the receiver needs a lot of work.


I suppose you somehow contacted EVERY person who reads threads but never posts any?

This is what I said:
"Those with sense don't have to do that because everyone else knows how physical flesh reacts to fire. Everyone."

And you completely go off the rails on a tangent. I was clearly talking about literal fire on flesh. The Bible uses words that people can relate to. I NEVER said the LOF was literal, but scholars believe that the LOF could be a distant star, which is a BALL of fire. Do you understand what the word "ball" means, and how that might help up understand what a LOF may be? Or do you understand what a "lake" is? Maybe that might help you relate to what the LOF is.


All you have been doing in your post here is whine. I guess that's all you have.


The Bible says He saves all who believe in Him for eternal life.


Right. 1 Pet 3:15


You have been deceived by the prince of the world. As have atheists, who ALSO presume they will simply "cease to exist" when they die.


Rev 20:10. You know it.

And your "best verse" doesn't even say what you claim as reality. That verse only speaks of possibility. Rev 20:10 speaks of reality. What WILL occur.


When I come across one.


You mean they will believe what I believe????


Said the guy who believes what they believe about "ceasing to exist".


How will they "see" that? In fact, I don't argue with any unbeliever. That is a waste of time. If they only want to argue, they certainly aren't ready to hear the gospel.


You think you do.


So, you really think I'm the only one who believes as I do? Where did all the other posters get their ideas from? Why don't you ask them.

Your whining is really petty. Because you have nothing else.
Ad hominems are the death howl of the defeated. You got nothing. :)