Who wrote the book of Hebrews?

[Pilgrimshope]

Grace and peace

To you as well brother in Christ !!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Since Paul was addressing all Hebrew Christians regardless of which church they were in, it was quite appropriate for Hebrews to be written the way it was. The first thing to understand is that God the Holy Spirit is the Author and Paul is merely "the scribe". So this book originated with God, and there is more than enough internal evidence to prove that Paul is the writer.

But as in everything else, Satan loves to have Christians in conflict about everything, so he slyly introduces doubts about all of Scripture. He says that Moses did not write the Torah, Daniel did not write Daniel, Job did not write Job, Paul did not write Hebrews, and on and on it goes, with the so-called scholars pretending that they know more than God.

what evidence are you talking about that shows Paul wrote Hebrews ?

“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬
“Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬

“Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬
“Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Paul, a prisoner of Jesus Christ, and Timothy our brother, unto Philemon our dearly beloved, and fellowlabourer,”
‭‭Philemon‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Everyone of Paul’s letters he names himself in the title lines but the book of Hebrews there’s never a name put on it

“God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬


either it wasn’t Paul or it’s the only letter he ever wrote in the Bible without him introducing himself and any other writer
First he even names himself in other places in the epistles it seemed reslly
Important to him to make sure they knew it was genuinely him writing

I dont really see any evidence at all that it’s a letter from Paul but is definately a group work without anyone named. The important part is it doesn’t matter who wrote it Paul’s no different form anyone else

it’s definately a group work the writer never says “ I “ they say “ we” when referring to themselves

 

[John146]

ellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. -____

_____God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. ___

____Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2.

Repent and be baptized? That's not our message. Peter was telling the Jews what they should do moving forward. They did not ask, "what shall we do to be saved?" (As the Philippian jailer asked Paul)

I have never instructed someone seeking forgiveness of sins to repent and be baptized. That my friend is another gospel.

 

[John146]

that last line there that means god isn’t going to offer you anything he didn’t offer the Jews when he walked among them they were first given the gospel and then they brought it to us same gospel for Jew and gentile
I already understand you won’t actually address this one example but will go in a circle to avoid it but since your endorsing what Paul taught is that true ?

You post the verse and then offer a private interpretation? God offered many things to his physical people Israel in the OT that is not on the table for his spiritual people the church. God offered them health, wealth, and protection from physical enemies.

 

[phil36]

Repent and be baptized? That's not our message. Peter was telling the Jews what they should do moving forward. They did not ask, "what shall we do to be saved?" (As the Philippian jailer asked Paul)

I have never instructed someone seeking forgiveness of sins to repent and be baptized. That my friend is another gospel.

Acts is a history of what was being done and taught in the fledgling Church. Paul's letters are not a 'history'.

Paul's letters are to the churches he started. They had problems and Paul wrote to correct those problems. Acts is not that type of letter its Lukes second volume.. So that theophilus could be sure of the teachings of Jesus. Different types of literature. This is where you are going wrong. And it's why you believe the heresy of hyper dispensationalism.

It's not possible for Jesus or Peter to teach a different gospel than Paul.. As Paul said if anyone teaches a different gospel - even if it's an angel they are accursed.

And you have just stated Peter taught a different gospel.

 

[John146]

Acts is a history of what was being done and taught in the fledgling Church. Paul's letters are not a 'history'.

Paul's letters are to the churches he started. They had problems and Paul wrote to correct those problems. Acts is not that type of letter its Lukes second volume.. So that theophilus could be sure of the teachings of Jesus. Different types of literature. This is where you are going wrong. And it's why you believe the heresy of hyper dispensationalism.

It's not possible for Jesus or Peter to teach a different gospel than Paul.. As Paul said if anyone teaches a different gospel - even if it's an angel they are accursed.

And you have just stated Peter taught a different gospel.

Did you ever think that there are different gospel messages throughout the Bible, but when Paul makes that statement he is talking about the current dispensation of the grace of God? We should not preach the gospel of the kingdom nor the everlasting gospel the angel declares during the tribulation and after the church age?

 

[phil36]

Did you ever think that there are different gospel messages throughout the Bible, but when Paul makes that statement he is talking about the current dispensation of the grace of God? We should not preach the gospel of the kingdom nor the everlasting gospel the angel declares during the tribulation and after the church age?

Hyper dispensationalism is heresy. You can frame it whatever way you want. When you say Jesus, and the first apostles taught/ teach a different gospel than Paul you have a major heresy problem. The one thing you never answer is that Paul says any other gospel than what he teaches is accursed.

If I were you I would be very careful, because in saying that Jesus is teaching another Gospel than Paul, then you also have to agree with Paul's teaching that it is accursed. That sounds like something that comes from the enemy and not from God. That is why hyper/ultra dispensationalism is so dangerous.

 

[John146]

Hyper dispensationalism is heresy. You can frame it whatever way you want. When you say Jesus, and the first apostles taught/ teach a different gospel than Paul you have a major heresy problem. The one thing you never answer is that Paul says any other gospel than what he teaches is accursed.

If I were you I would be very careful, because in saying that Jesus is teaching another Gospel than Paul, then you also have to agree with Paul's teaching that it is accursed. That sounds like something that comes from the enemy and not from God. That is why hyper/ultra dispensationalism is so dangerous.

Were the disciples preaching the cross? Jesus told them exactly what to say, “the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” Do you preach this exact message?

Matthew 10
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

After the resurrection, the disciples were still wondering about the good news of the kingdom being restored.

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

Why ask this? Because this was their message the past three years.

 

[phil36]

Were the disciples preaching the cross? Jesus told them exactly what to say, “the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” Do you preach this exact message?

Matthew 10
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

After the resurrection, the disciples were still wondering about the good news of the kingdom being restored.

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

Why ask this? Because this was their message the past three years.

Yeah, I'll refer you back to post #62 John146

Since you username is John 146, mayebe read John 14:6.

 

[John146]

Yeah, I'll refer you back to post #62 John146

Since you username is John 146, mayebe read John 14:6.

Is the gospel of the kingdom the same as the gospel of the grace of God? If you say yes, then you are equating “the kingdom of heaven is at hand” with “Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day.”

 

[John146]

Yeah, I'll refer you back to post #62 John146

Since you username is John 146, mayebe read John 14:6.

Concerning this gospel of the kingdom which was only to go out to Israel, not to Gentiles nor Samaritans.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

And yet, Paul says clearly that the gospel given to him had gone out into all the world, preached to every creature under heaven and gone out to all nations. Colossians 1:5-6, 23, Romans 16:25-26.

The end is not come. Why?

 

[phil36]

I'n afraid to te you that you don't have a gospel message.

You state that Jesus and the Apostles taught a different gospel from Paul, even though Paul says to do so would be accursed. Therefore you are doing Satan's work for him. It's heresy and blasphemy.

Secondly, as stated above (#83) you don't even see that repentance and believing (faith) are part of the gospel message.. You say, again its another Gospel.


Anyhow John146, I think I've said enough and even warned you enough, about what it is you believe and are witnessing too. I sincerely mean this, I pray you come to know the gospel that Paul taught.

 

[birdie]

The book of Hebrews does not identify who the author is, but most people say that Hebrews was written by Paul. I would have to disagree.

There are many clues that one can make an educated guess off of, but there are just as many clues that cause reasonable doubt that Paul is not the author of Hebrews.

To understand who the author of Hebrews is, one must understand who the audience of Hebrews is; the book of Hebrews is simply addressed to Hebrew Jews and possibly some Jewish Christians as well; they were not a Gentile group.

A key clue is that Paul was not the apostle to the circumcision, but rather to the uncircumcision. This is just a way of saying that the scope of Paul’s God-ordained ministry did not involve Jewish outreach.

Romans 11:13
13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry

Galatians 2:7
7On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised.

Paul was also not one to build on another’s foundation.

Romans 15:20
20It has always been my ambition to preach the gospel where Christ was not known, so that I would not be building on someone else’s foundation.

Hebrews was either written by Peter or someone else who’s ministry involved non-Gentile outreach.

I would never call any person other than the Holy Spirit the author of the Bible, or any book of the Bible. The persons entrusted to write down the words which God gave to them are not, in my opinion, the ones who willed the words. We read in Jeremiah for example: "Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book. " It is clear to me, from this example, that the words are the words coming from God and from his will, rather than from the person who wrote down the words. I would say that the entire Bible follows this sort of pattern, with God being the author

The book of Hebrews does not identify who the author is, but most people say that Hebrews was written by Paul. I would have to disagree.

There are many clues that one can make an educated guess off of, but there are just as many clues that cause reasonable doubt that Paul is not the author of Hebrews.

To understand who the author of Hebrews is, one must understand who the audience of Hebrews is; the book of Hebrews is simply addressed to Hebrew Jews and possibly some Jewish Christians as well; they were not a Gentile group.

A key clue is that Paul was not the apostle to the circumcision, but rather to the uncircumcision. This is just a way of saying that the scope of Paul’s God-ordained ministry did not involve Jewish outreach.

Romans 11:13
13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry

Galatians 2:7
7On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised.

Paul was also not one to build on another’s foundation.

Romans 15:20
20It has always been my ambition to preach the gospel where Christ was not known, so that I would not be building on someone else’s foundation.

Hebrews was either written by Peter or someone else who’s ministry involved non-Gentile outreach.

I remember going to mainline denominations where the ecclesiastical discussion spent a lot of time on who wrote this or that epistle. It seemed to me, and still does, that they may have been unaware that the author of the Bible, including epistles, is the Holy Spirit. I would never really phrase the question as you did here, 'who authored the book of Hebrews?'. The answer is the Holy Spirit. We read in Jeremiah, for example: "Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee ". It is obvious, in this example, the words are not Jeremiah's words but are God's words. Such similar action must have occurred to put together the Bible since the Bible says it is inspired by God in 2 Timothy 3:16. Since that is the case, the words do not have limited historical perspective or any other limitations based on who wrote them down. We couldn't say, 'so and so was writing from the perspective of his day and therefore wouldn't have known that such and such would be invented, or such and such would occur, and so forth. Or, 'they described God as best they could given their historical and cultural limitations and biases'. None of that applies since the author is God.

 

[Cameron143]

I would never call any person other than the Holy Spirit the author of the Bible, or any book of the Bible. The persons entrusted to write down the words which God gave to them are not, in my opinion, the ones who willed the words. We read in Jeremiah for example: "Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book. " It is clear to me, from this example, that the words are the words coming from God and from his will, rather than from the person who wrote down the words. I would say that the entire Bible follows this sort of pattern, with God being the author


I remember going to mainline denominations where the ecclesiastical discussion spent a lot of time on who wrote this or that epistle. It seemed to me, and still does, that they may have been unaware that the author of the Bible, including epistles, is the Holy Spirit. I would never really phrase the question as you did here, 'who authored the book of Hebrews?'. The answer is the Holy Spirit. We read in Jeremiah, for example: "Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee ". It is obvious, in this example, the words are not Jeremiah's words but are God's words. Such similar action must have occurred to put together the Bible since the Bible says it is inspired by God in 2 Timothy 3:16. Since that is the case, the words do not have limited historical perspective or any other limitations based on who wrote them down. We couldn't say, 'so and so was writing from the perspective of his day and therefore wouldn't have known that such and such would be invented, or such and such would occur, and so forth. Or, 'they described God as best they could given their historical and cultural limitations and biases'. None of that applies since the author is God.

You are right of course but from the initial post all the way through it is clear the question was concerning the human author.

 

[Runningman]

I would never call any person other than the Holy Spirit the author of the Bible, or any book of the Bible. The persons entrusted to write down the words which God gave to them are not, in my opinion, the ones who willed the words. We read in Jeremiah for example: "Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book. " It is clear to me, from this example, that the words are the words coming from God and from his will, rather than from the person who wrote down the words. I would say that the entire Bible follows this sort of pattern, with God being the author


I remember going to mainline denominations where the ecclesiastical discussion spent a lot of time on who wrote this or that epistle. It seemed to me, and still does, that they may have been unaware that the author of the Bible, including epistles, is the Holy Spirit. I would never really phrase the question as you did here, 'who authored the book of Hebrews?'. The answer is the Holy Spirit. We read in Jeremiah, for example: "Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee ". It is obvious, in this example, the words are not Jeremiah's words but are God's words. Such similar action must have occurred to put together the Bible since the Bible says it is inspired by God in 2 Timothy 3:16. Since that is the case, the words do not have limited historical perspective or any other limitations based on who wrote them down. We couldn't say, 'so and so was writing from the perspective of his day and therefore wouldn't have known that such and such would be invented, or such and such would occur, and so forth. Or, 'they described God as best they could given their historical and cultural limitations and biases'. None of that applies since the author is God.

While the Holy Spirit may have ultimately inspired or spoken to prophets as to what to write there is a different style each person uses in their writing. Take the gospels for example: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Who wrote their version the best? I think John was much more eloquent than the rest, but Matthew’s strong point was getting the parables documented.

 

[John146]

I'n afraid to te you that you don't have a gospel message.

You state that Jesus and the Apostles taught a different gospel from Paul, even though Paul says to do so would be accursed. Therefore you are doing Satan's work for him. It's heresy and blasphemy.

Secondly, as stated above (#83) you don't even see that repentance and believing (faith) are part of the gospel message.. You say, again its another Gospel.


Anyhow John146, I think I've said enough and even warned you enough, about what it is you believe and are witnessing too. I sincerely mean this, I pray you come to know the gospel that Paul taught.

Lol, you’re funny. I’ve been a believer for over 40 years. I repented and put my faith in Christ long ago. I simply stated what Peter said the the Jews in Acts 2 is not our gospel message. Baptism has nothing to do with salvation. It was an outward act of repentance for the Jew.

No answer for post #91 but to claim I’m not saved?

 

[wolfwint]

The book of Hebrews does not identify who the author is, but most people say that Hebrews was written by Paul. I would have to disagree.

There are many clues that one can make an educated guess off of, but there are just as many clues that cause reasonable doubt that Paul is not the author of Hebrews.

To understand who the author of Hebrews is, one must understand who the audience of Hebrews is; the book of Hebrews is simply addressed to Hebrew Jews and possibly some Jewish Christians as well; they were not a Gentile group.

A key clue is that Paul was not the apostle to the circumcision, but rather to the uncircumcision. This is just a way of saying that the scope of Paul’s God-ordained ministry did not involve Jewish outreach.

Romans 11:13
13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry

Galatians 2:7
7On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised.

Paul was also not one to build on another’s foundation.

Romans 15:20
20It has always been my ambition to preach the gospel where Christ was not known, so that I would not be building on someone else’s foundation.

Hebrews was either written by Peter or someone else who’s ministry involved non-Gentile outreach.

Keep the question, till we are in heaven. I suppose before you will not get an answer which is not based on speculation.

 

[phil36]

Lol, you’re funny. I’ve been a believer for over 40 years. I repented and put my faith in Christ long ago. I simply stated what Peter said the the Jews in Acts 2 is not our gospel message. Baptism has nothing to do with salvation. It was an outward act of repentance for the Jew.

No answer for post #91 but to claim I’m not saved?

It's quite simple your in heretical system. You haven't got Paul's teaching right nor Jesus'. In fact you say they have different Gospels. And as I keep pointing out, according to Paul this would mean Jesus is accursed.

I sincerely pray that you come out of the hyper dispensational heresy.

 

[oyster67]

To you or for you...big difference. The audience makes all the difference.

To you = you're the audience
For you = someone else is the audience

The Bible is both to me and for me. When I am reading the Bible, I am always the audience.

It you see it differently, I accept that. That's ok.

 

[John146]

The Bible is both to me and for me. When I am reading the Bible, I am always the audience.

It you see it differently, I accept that. That's ok.

Then when God commands something, anywhere in the bible, you should do it. Build an ark, make animal sacrifices, stone adulterers, go to Nineveh, etc...