Hypocrites beware
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The written word is what it is, whether I interpret it correctly or not. It has its own authority, its own source and authorship, it makes its own claims and reveals truth objectively without any input from you, me or anyone else. It can't be added to nor can anything taken from it. It stands on its own and reveals the one and true God, Jesus Christ, from Genesis to Revelation. It has its own testimony and is its own witness. That makes it complete in and of itself and will stand forever and never fall to the ground or pass away. Because of these things it is trustworthy, just as 'IT IS WRITTEN'.
E
Yeah. My first reply to that was going to be......"We get sinful harlots saved by the grace of God.....and made His snow-white bride by the blood of Christ". If sinners saved by grace thru faith aren't what Christ is looking for, I truly don't know what else there is we could offer of ourselves. Faith in Christ, humble thanksgiving and obedience to the best of my ability. That's all this sinner has to offer. Not much.....but I am assured that it is enough. Hope the walk helped more than it hurt (while doing it). Love you always Zone
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Amen EG. When I read posts like VW's, I can't help but see somebody that can't accept they've been forgiven by God's grace thru faith in Christ. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that VW is living in torment. And as Zone and Ananda have said in so many words just previous, his posts are mere projections of self. Stated another way, having never accepted God's forgiveness (because what he has done is so bad), he has never been able to forgive himself for whatever it is that imprisons him. It appears he will spend his lifetime striving to be worthy of God's grace. And the trademark of those likeminded is to saddle upon others a burden that they themselves are not able to bear. "For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." (Matthew 11:30) None of us will ever be worthy as you guys well know. But thank our heavenly Father that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. What a glorious hope we now have because of what Christ has done for us. His grace isn't cheap .....but it's free 
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word.
The 'word' is rhema, and refers to that which is spoken or revealed, which we are to live by from the mouth of God (Mt 4:4). The written word is the logos (the word and person of Christ), which is what God has spoken from the beginning, which was made flesh and dwelt among man and was recorded in written form. It is of no less authority and life as rhema because they are both from the mouth of God which has been spoken and revealed unto us. However, you can't have rhema without logos because rhema comes from logos, (the word and person of Jesus Christ). Rhema is the word revealed to our mind and heart by the Holy Spirit from the Logos (Jesus Christ). There is no rhema given to man outside the logos. The witness and testimony of rhema (God's revealed word) is the logos (Jesus Christ). Both rhema and logos are inspired of God, the only difference is that rhema is dependent on logos while logos can stands on its own without being witnessed or dependent upon rhema.
The mystery of all this is that God through His Holy Spirit takes rhema and gives life to logos in the heart of man so that man can have faith to believe. Man then believes in his heart upon logos through the revelation of rhema. That is how rhema and logos work together to bring the light of the glorious gospel to live and bring salvation into the heart of man.
The 'word' is rhema, and refers to that which is spoken or revealed, which we are to live by from the mouth of God (Mt 4:4). The written word is the logos (the word and person of Christ), which is what God has spoken from the beginning, which was made flesh and dwelt among man and was recorded in written form. It is of no less authority and life as rhema because they are both from the mouth of God which has been spoken and revealed unto us. However, you can't have rhema without logos because rhema comes from logos, (the word and person of Jesus Christ). Rhema is the word revealed to our mind and heart by the Holy Spirit from the Logos (Jesus Christ). There is no rhema given to man outside the logos. The witness and testimony of rhema (God's revealed word) is the logos (Jesus Christ). Both rhema and logos are inspired of God, the only difference is that rhema is dependent on logos while logos can stands on its own without being witnessed or dependent upon rhema.
The mystery of all this is that God through His Holy Spirit takes rhema and gives life to logos in the heart of man so that man can have faith to believe. Man then believes in his heart upon logos through the revelation of rhema. That is how rhema and logos work together to bring the light of the glorious gospel to live and bring salvation into the heart of man.
A
you don't listen very well do you Vic?
Its ok God and I both still love you.
let me keep it simple.
1. letters are written TO people
2. we are people reading your words
3. we the people think you are talking to us
4. most people don't post words they don't mean others to read, therefore a qualifier is needed if you wish to talk to yourself out loud, online.
5. I just showed you a group that would consider themselves hyprocrites and take your words the wrong way, yet you say nothing to assure THEM of God's love, sound inconsiderate to me.
what would you say to those rape victims that feel like hyprocrites for pretending to ok and normal when they feel like harlots?
ok even my kids can count to five, I have more to say, but like I said want to keep this simple and no I'm not being condescending. I'm just trying to be understood.
Its ok God and I both still love you.
let me keep it simple.
1. letters are written TO people
2. we are people reading your words
3. we the people think you are talking to us
4. most people don't post words they don't mean others to read, therefore a qualifier is needed if you wish to talk to yourself out loud, online.
5. I just showed you a group that would consider themselves hyprocrites and take your words the wrong way, yet you say nothing to assure THEM of God's love, sound inconsiderate to me.
what would you say to those rape victims that feel like hyprocrites for pretending to ok and normal when they feel like harlots?
ok even my kids can count to five, I have more to say, but like I said want to keep this simple and no I'm not being condescending. I'm just trying to be understood.
Amen EG. When I read posts like VW's, I can't help but see somebody that can't accept they've been forgiven by God's grace thru faith in Christ. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that VW is living in torment. And as Zone and Ananda have said in so many words just previous, his posts are mere projections of self. Stated another way, having never accepted God's forgiveness (because what he has done is so bad), he has never been able to forgive himself for whatever it is that imprisons him. It appears he will spend his lifetime striving to be worthy of God's grace. And the trademark of those likeminded is to saddle upon others a burden that they themselves are not able to bear. "For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." (Matthew 11:30) None of us will ever be worthy as you guys well know. But thank our heavenly Father that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. What a glorious hope we now have because of what Christ has done for us. His grace isn't cheap .....but it's free
This is beautiful and very truthful and there is not one unloving or unkind or condemning word in the entire post. I am sure that this hits on many believers in the church that need to receive the grace of God to be delivered from their own captivity. It was not good for Israel to be held captive for (400) years in Egypt before they were delivered through the hand of Moses and then once delivered from Egypt, God had to deal with the ways of Egypt that was still living in them. This is what God has to deal with in every one of our lives that were being held captive by sin and the world system that we were once a part of.
A
what is found all over the Bible?
judgement and condemnation of sinners according to the law? or Love and grace through Our Lord Jesus Christ?
since you haven't answer my question....
what would you say to those rape victims that feel like hyprocrites for pretending to ok and normal when they feel like harlots?
<sigh> I guess I'll ask less self absorbed people who recognize that all post and conversation is not about them but about the children of God who need to know God and His ways.
For those who know what I'm talking about what would you say that God and the Bible tell those hurt and wounded kids? what words would you use to comfort, exhort and edify them?
judgement and condemnation of sinners according to the law? or Love and grace through Our Lord Jesus Christ?
since you haven't answer my question....
what would you say to those rape victims that feel like hyprocrites for pretending to ok and normal when they feel like harlots?
<sigh> I guess I'll ask less self absorbed people who recognize that all post and conversation is not about them but about the children of God who need to know God and His ways.
For those who know what I'm talking about what would you say that God and the Bible tell those hurt and wounded kids? what words would you use to comfort, exhort and edify them?
R
I thought God called people whores for worshiping things and people as well as Him. He says it quite a bit and it's pretty much always related to the worship of false idols while claiming to follow the Lord.
I'm barely following this ridiculous thread anymore, but I see the harlot/whore thing keeps coming up. Just thought I'd throw this out there.
I'm barely following this ridiculous thread anymore, but I see the harlot/whore thing keeps coming up. Just thought I'd throw this out there.
Y
I like the way you address who we are as a person and as a people in Christ. There is a language in the Old Testament that uses creation to show us something we would not be able to see otherwise. There are two principle parts within each of us; the flesh which gains its nourishment from this world/and the spirit part of us gains its nourishment from above. But, according to this language, these two parts are under the authority of our Lord Jesus, who is referred to as the Lion of Judah, a lion's whelp. In this prophecy, it is referred to as the identity of the obedience of God's people. According to Law, only one part can be redeemed. Both of these were addressed by Jesus, who fulfilled this same creation language in the New Testament.
It seems Christians too often become entangled in their words which attempt to separate themselves from the world in the same manner that Israel was separated from the ruling forces of Egypt, which had taken the things God had said to have dominion over, and literally used these things as gods to have dominion over men.
To some extent I believe we are all actors (hypocrites), mostly due to the learning process; believing somehow that we understand, until we learn a little more about who we are and why we are that way in God's sight. This process is ongoing. As Christians, we love Jesus, but we don't always love Him more than we love our religion. This is one of the ways we deny Him. This is known when we point at another man's religion, believing our religion is better. In this conflict of words and deeds we deny the One we love. Jesus revealed this among those who are called His disciples. And after all is said and done, aren't we also His disciples; arguing among ourselves who is the greatest? We become actors on a world stage, and the world is our audience. The question begs to be answered; "What type of actor are you on this world stage?"
It seems Christians too often become entangled in their words which attempt to separate themselves from the world in the same manner that Israel was separated from the ruling forces of Egypt, which had taken the things God had said to have dominion over, and literally used these things as gods to have dominion over men.
To some extent I believe we are all actors (hypocrites), mostly due to the learning process; believing somehow that we understand, until we learn a little more about who we are and why we are that way in God's sight. This process is ongoing. As Christians, we love Jesus, but we don't always love Him more than we love our religion. This is one of the ways we deny Him. This is known when we point at another man's religion, believing our religion is better. In this conflict of words and deeds we deny the One we love. Jesus revealed this among those who are called His disciples. And after all is said and done, aren't we also His disciples; arguing among ourselves who is the greatest? We become actors on a world stage, and the world is our audience. The question begs to be answered; "What type of actor are you on this world stage?"
E
Amen EG. When I read posts like VW's, I can't help but see somebody that can't accept they've been forgiven by God's grace thru faith in Christ. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that VW is living in torment. And as Zone and Ananda have said in so many words just previous, his posts are mere projections of self. Stated another way, having never accepted God's forgiveness (because what he has done is so bad), he has never been able to forgive himself for whatever it is that imprisons him. It appears he will spend his lifetime striving to be worthy of God's grace. And the trademark of those likeminded is to saddle upon others a burden that they themselves are not able to bear. "For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." (Matthew 11:30) None of us will ever be worthy as you guys well know. But thank our heavenly Father that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. What a glorious hope we now have because of what Christ has done for us. His grace isn't cheap .....but it's free
amen to the grace part. The gift is free to us. But the price paid for it was severe. No man on earth could have paid that price.
E
when your viewpoint is non scriptural, It is not from God. The fact you can't see this shows you have your own agenda, are seeking praise, or are just speaking words of satan himself (even if you can't see it). God does not need a prophet to tell us what our troubles are. He has told us in the word he has given us. Yet most so called "prophets" reject that word given by God as ultimate authority. I wonder why??
People who reject the ultimate authority of scripture. and need outside sources to make their doctrines provable either do not see the heresy they are preaching and believing in. Or are blinded by the fact that what they teach and believe is not from God. The largest church on Earth struggles with this problem. And many of the so called "new" churches struggle with it to. Satan has had 6000 years to distort truth in so many way, He has studied mankind and knows what it takes to deceive them. He is not a fool. It is just amazing that the same tactics he used on the jews, and on many others are still affective today. Yet people can't see it. because they do not want to learn from history. And pride will not allow them to see their inconsistencies and errors.
People who reject the ultimate authority of scripture. and need outside sources to make their doctrines provable either do not see the heresy they are preaching and believing in. Or are blinded by the fact that what they teach and believe is not from God. The largest church on Earth struggles with this problem. And many of the so called "new" churches struggle with it to. Satan has had 6000 years to distort truth in so many way, He has studied mankind and knows what it takes to deceive them. He is not a fool. It is just amazing that the same tactics he used on the jews, and on many others are still affective today. Yet people can't see it. because they do not want to learn from history. And pride will not allow them to see their inconsistencies and errors.