Melchezidek the high priest of God

[Pilgrimshope]

In the Old Testament before the law of Moses had come we are introduced to the priest of the most high God who meets and blesses Abram of the most high god.

“And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

and blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand.

And he gave him tithes of all.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭14:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

at this point in scripture melchezidek disappears from all Mentions of him. Later the leviticle priesthood is given according to the word of the law of Moses and melchezidek simply isn’t mentioned again.

notice this blessing came before tv law and isnt under the ordination of the levites, the sons of Aaron the high priest of the law of Moses.

in the prophets you hear of this order of melchezidek when Christ is referenced

“The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭110:1, ,4 KJV‬‬

later we read the book of Hebrews after Christ has come and been taken to be at Gods right hand this has been fulfilled and the priesthood has been changed from the earthly leviticle under the law to the new order of melchezidek with this new ordination of a new covenant and priesthood according to Christs word and not Moses word which made levites the priesthood

“For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever After the order of Melchisedec. For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:12, 14-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is one of the main subjects of the book of Hebrews

“Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“and being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


As we read Hebrews knowing the Old Testament how melchezidek wasn’t a priest of Moses law ot begins to show us thkngs we couldnt otherwise know about the new testsment

“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:1-2‬ ‭KJV

Eventually we see that there’s a new covenant a new mediator with a new and better word

New priesthood that is far better , a new sanctuary and promised land which is far better

the value of the book of Hebrews comes forth in the study of melchezidek and his priesthood to make a clean severance from what is given under the leviticle order and show us our covenant is the gospel and doesn’t have leviticle priests , nor several Mediators , nor is it ordained of angels but it has come from God the father , through the son to the children

and those children are actually being called into the new priesthood that serves in the heavens

“and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, and hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


If you don’t understand the correlation and why this is important it’s okay , but if you do understand there is a lot of importance to this study the book of Hebrews it is a wealth of understanding regarding the old covenant and the new and how the new is so much better than the old

 

[persistent]

In the Old Testament before the law of Moses had come we are introduced to the priest of the most high God who meets and blesses Abram of the most high god.

“And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

and blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand.

And he gave him tithes of all.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭14:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

at this point in scripture melchezidek disappears from all Mentions of him. Later the leviticle priesthood is given according to the word of the law of Moses and melchezidek simply isn’t mentioned again.

notice this blessing came before tv law and isnt under the ordination of the levites, the sons of Aaron the high priest of the law of Moses.

in the prophets you hear of this order of melchezidek when Christ is referenced

“The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭110:1, ,4 KJV‬‬

later we read the book of Hebrews after Christ has come and been taken to be at Gods right hand this has been fulfilled and the priesthood has been changed from the earthly leviticle under the law to the new order of melchezidek with this new ordination of a new covenant and priesthood according to Christs word and not Moses word which made levites the priesthood

“For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever After the order of Melchisedec. For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:12, 14-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is one of the main subjects of the book of Hebrews

“Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“and being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


As we read Hebrews knowing the Old Testament how melchezidek wasn’t a priest of Moses law ot begins to show us thkngs we couldnt otherwise know about the new testsment

“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:1-2‬ ‭KJV

Eventually we see that there’s a new covenant a new mediator with a new and better word

New priesthood that is far better , a new sanctuary and promised land which is far better

the value of the book of Hebrews comes forth in the study of melchezidek and his priesthood to make a clean severance from what is given under the leviticle order and show us our covenant is the gospel and doesn’t have leviticle priests , nor several Mediators , nor is it ordained of angels but it has come from God the father , through the son to the children

and those children are actually being called into the new priesthood that serves in the heavens

“and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, and hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


If you don’t understand the correlation and why this is important it’s okay , but if you do understand there is a lot of importance to this study the book of Hebrews it is a wealth of understanding regarding the old covenant and the new and how the new is so much better than the old

Very nice info. I listen to Charles Spurgeon and he did a sermon on--------- Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Does that verse in Romans also apply here with what you are pointing out?

Here it says Jesus makes intercession for us. Is this as the priest Melchizadek?

I am under the impression that 'by His stripes we are healed' and that we have 'eternal life' and maybe 'blessings' because of the blood which Jesus shed on the cross according to a 'covenant He made with His Father before He even created all things both seen and unseen.'

Does Jesus still need to make intercession for us while we are still here now in the flesh?

 

[Aaron56]

The priests of Moses represented the people before God.
The priests of Melchizedek represent God before the people.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Very nice info. I listen to Charles Spurgeon and he did a sermon on--------- Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Does that verse in Romans also apply here with what you are pointing out?

Here it says Jesus makes intercession for us. Is this as the priest Melchizadek?

I am under the impression that 'by His stripes we are healed' and that we have 'eternal life' and maybe 'blessings' because of the blood which Jesus shed on the cross according to a 'covenant He made with His Father before He even created all things both seen and unseen.'

Does Jesus still need to make intercession for us while we are still here now in the flesh?

“Does that verse in Romans also apply here with what you are pointing out?”

absolutely it does all Of the scriptures talking about Jesus being at the right hand of God is about his preisthood intercession for us who believe

“Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:69‬ ‭KJV‬‬

After Jesus died and rose and entered heaven

“and said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭7:56‬ ‭KJV‬‬

notice how details begin to make a bigger picture of “ why “ and what it means

“Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

about half of the book of Hebrews is dedicated to explaining all this

“Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s always hearkening us back to believing the gospel

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭

if we keep Our eyes on Christ then

“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:1-2‬ ‭

It’s also something they all discuss and are speaking from like Peter

“The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

do you see how it all is making one clearer picture adding dofferent details so we can better understand why and how and what for what’s he doing there ect ? How it applies to us

And see then when we read the concept even if the language is a little different like this it makes us understand better

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬

the book of Hebrews is really important if we want to understand things that are deep and powerful , it’s not something we absolutely need to know or understand for salvstion , but it is strengthening of faith as we come to a better understanding giving us confidence and assurance that rether than an accuser against us in heaven , we have an intercessor , an advocate witnessing for our forgiveness in his name and blood we have a high priest that is holy that lives as we do and overcame everything we couldn’t and then entered heaven as a forerunner before us

in essence the oreosthood of Christ has opened the heavens unto believers in him

The concepts set forth in scripture like Jesus at Gods right hand interceding for us is throughout the New Testament and each place adds more understanding as we grow in faith

it’s true of all true biblical concepts we find everyone is witnessing of the same things but adding understandkng and details to show it’s full view

before Christ did this for us we actually had an accuser that constantly accused us of every sin to God he was bringing up the law and our transgression over and over but now he’s been removed forever and Christ is our advocate and intercessor full of grace and mercy towards us so this guy is gone now from heaven

“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:10‬ ‭

and instead we have the one who loves us and gave his life to pay our debt for the accusations and he now lives forever at Gods right hand in order to forgive and pardon those who repent and come to god through the gospel

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The priests of Moses represented the people before God.
The priests of Melchizedek represent God before the people.

the priest in both cases are intercessors for the people. I’m not disagreeing with what your saying I get it , sinful preists v a holy priest.

melchezideks presthood is void of the law of Moses is my biggest takeaway

melchezideks ot dealings were only with Abraham and after he blessed Abram the Hebrew the. Abraham was called by a new name Abraham the father of many nations

we can understand that melchezidek is the eternal priesthood of God concerning Abraham and Abraham’s promises which are the gospel

in the interim Moses was called to lead the people by the hand of Gods angel and Aaron was called to be high priest by the word of Moses both of these called tonthe patterns and earthly examples of the heavenly truth

the eternal is Christ the lord , Christ the high priest and the people made in his image the kings and preists unto God or “ Christian’s “

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Very nice info. I listen to Charles Spurgeon and he did a sermon on--------- Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Does that verse in Romans also apply here with what you are pointing out?

Here it says Jesus makes intercession for us. Is this as the priest Melchizadek?

I am under the impression that 'by His stripes we are healed' and that we have 'eternal life' and maybe 'blessings' because of the blood which Jesus shed on the cross according to a 'covenant He made with His Father before He even created all things both seen and unseen.'

Does Jesus still need to make intercession for us while we are still here now in the flesh?

“Here it says Jesus makes intercession for us. Is this as the priest Melchizadek?”

yes exactly brother exactly . He is t melchezidek but melchezidek is pre image of what Christ is the priest is Jesus melchezideks order is under Christ and his word.

the reason this matters is the difference is cast and very stark this is why I was suggesting in the op a study of Hebrews

“For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. ( see Jesus isnt made like him but he is made in pre image like Christ to foretell what was going to come later in the gospel )

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,)

what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.( under the ot law no one from Judah serves as priest )

For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.( melkezidek is a sinilitude of Christ )

For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever After the order of Melchisedec. For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

(for those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever After the order of Melchisedec:)

By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: but this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:1-4, 11-19, 21-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Because there’s a better eternal preisthood there’s also his words which are forever what his preisthood is operated by the gospel. It’s our new testsment law and Moses was under a different preisthood not based on Abraham’s promise to all nations but was based on the transgression of Israel in Egypt

and so hat word is for rebels , it has sinful priests who all died for thier sins and couldnt continue as Christ continues forever unchanged

to understand the preisthood ordination is to convert from Judaism to Christianity d everything else on the testaments follow that understanding the priest presided over the covenant given under them the gospel is given under melchezidek the law under the leviticle order of sinners

 

[persistent]

“Does that verse in Romans also apply here with what you are pointing out?”

absolutely it does all Of the scriptures talking about Jesus being at the right hand of God is about his preisthood intercession for us who believe

“Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:69‬ ‭KJV‬‬

After Jesus died and rose and entered heaven

“and said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭7:56‬ ‭KJV‬‬

notice how details begin to make a bigger picture of “ why “ and what it means

“Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

about half of the book of Hebrews is dedicated to explaining all this

“Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s always hearkening us back to believing the gospel

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭

if we keep Our eyes on Christ then

“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:1-2‬ ‭

It’s also something they all discuss and are speaking from like Peter

“The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

do you see how it all is making one clearer picture adding dofferent details so we can better understand why and how and what for what’s he doing there ect ? How it applies to us

And see then when we read the concept even if the language is a little different like this it makes us understand better

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬

the book of Hebrews is really important if we want to understand things that are deep and powerful , it’s not something we absolutely need to know or understand for salvstion , but it is strengthening of faith as we come to a better understanding giving us confidence and assurance that rether than an accuser against us in heaven , we have an intercessor , an advocate witnessing for our forgiveness in his name and blood we have a high priest that is holy that lives as we do and overcame everything we couldn’t and then entered heaven as a forerunner before us

in essence the oreosthood of Christ has opened the heavens unto believers in him

The concepts set forth in scripture like Jesus at Gods right hand interceding for us is throughout the New Testament and each place adds more understanding as we grow in faith

it’s true of all true biblical concepts we find everyone is witnessing of the same things but adding understandkng and details to show it’s full view

before Christ did this for us we actually had an accuser that constantly accused us of every sin to God he was bringing up the law and our transgression over and over but now he’s been removed forever and Christ is our advocate and intercessor full of grace and mercy towards us so this guy is gone now from heaven

“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:10‬ ‭

and instead we have the one who loves us and gave his life to pay our debt for the accusations and he now lives forever at Gods right hand in order to forgive and pardon those who repent and come to god through the gospel

Amen brother, I see also where Spurgeon used phrases in his sermon on Romans 8:34 that are part of the verses of the book to the Hebrews that you have referenced here. You and Spurgeon are probably on the same 'WAVELENGTH'. Saying it that way makes me think about the verse that refers to the 'prince of the power of the air'. And going way back, having been a t.v. repairman, I wonder if that verse about 'prince of the power of the air' somehow anticipated radio and t.v.. Crazy???

 

[Pilgrimshope]

See this then leads to the rest of what Hebrews is getting at

a better sanctuary , better blood

“For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:1, 4, 10-13‬ ‭

it’s why Jesus and all the apostles quotes that verse out being at Gods right hand until everything is brought under his feet it’s already foretelling a new preisthood

“The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. …The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭110:1, 4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

notice how Hebrews is talking in depth about ot scripture like that one ?

Jesus also quoted it

“The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Till I make thine enemies thy footstool?”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22:44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Peter

“For David is not ascended into the heavens David isn’t the acrual
King and priest of heaven and earth )

but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool. Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:34-36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul also a you quoted speaking of Jesus at his right hand they are all teaching it but Hebrews is deep foundational explanation of what they all knew and were preaching and also they assume the reader has considered these basic things when they speak

but it goes on to a better word and better promises saying we have t come to Sinai’s law but the law given from Jesus who came from heaven and went to heaven Hebrews is concert understsnding of thy changing of the two covenants completely beginning with the priest , the blood , the tabernacle and sanctuary , the word and even the people are not the same as the ot bekng born anew through Christ under the gospel and not the law

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Amen brother, I see also where Spurgeon used phrases in his sermon on Romans 8:34 that are part of the verses of the book to the Hebrews that you have referenced here. You and Spurgeon are probably on the same 'WAVELENGTH'. Saying it that way makes me think about the verse that refers to the 'prince of the power of the air'. And going way back, having been a t.v. repairman, I wonder if that verse about 'prince of the power of the air' somehow anticipated radio and t.v.. Crazy???

Haha I’m nOt sure actually about that particular verse I’m assuming it is tied to Satan being cast out of heaven and into earth and revelation talks of his dark kingdom as well as Paul speaks of the spiritual evil kingdom we are at war with I assume it ties to that but actually am not sure what that particular reference is

spirgeon and some of the other popular writers from those times I have t ever really studied them much I’ve read quotes and things thy at I like a lot from several of them even from opponents of each other calvin had some good things to say , spurgeon , on and on really they all had good stuff to say but often the conclusions they reach aren’t something I can totally agree with but I’m not saying they aren’t right or anything I’m just saying I can’t quite reach the same conclusions always that they have but absolutely think they all had a lot of good to say in the interim before they conclude

I personally think all Christian’s have something to say that’s good value sometimes it’s simple and straight forward other times it reaches below the surface other times it’s not abo a scriptire but about an experience they’ve had with God in their life

children often say some of the most profound things in my view things we had forgotten but thier innocence just blurts out lol

there’s always some good value to each of us what we do and say if we’re Christian believers it’s too bad we can’t seem to open up to others and let some of that in because my own belief is it would bring our understanding much closer together if we could elimate pride and envy and arguing over every matter

 

[persistent]

“Here it says Jesus makes intercession for us. Is this as the priest Melchizadek?”

yes exactly brother exactly . He is t melchezidek but melchezidek is pre image of what Christ is the priest is Jesus melchezideks order is under Christ and his word.

the reason this matters is the difference is cast and very stark this is why I was suggesting in the op a study of Hebrews

“For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. ( see Jesus isnt made like him but he is made in pre image like Christ to foretell what was going to come later in the gospel )

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,)

what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.( under the ot law no one from Judah serves as priest )

For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.( melkezidek is a sinilitude of Christ )

For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever After the order of Melchisedec. For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

(for those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever After the order of Melchisedec:)

By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: but this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:1-4, 11-19, 21-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Because there’s a better eternal preisthood there’s also his words which are forever what his preisthood is operated by the gospel. It’s our new testsment law and Moses was under a different preisthood not based on Abraham’s promise to all nations but was based on the transgression of Israel in Egypt

and so hat word is for rebels , it has sinful priests who all died for thier sins and couldnt continue as Christ continues forever unchanged

to understand the preisthood ordination is to convert from Judaism to Christianity d everything else on the testaments follow that understanding the priest presided over the covenant given under them the gospel is given under melchezidek the law under the leviticle order of sinners

Something I'm missing???? If melkezidek is a sinilitude of Christ??? seems that somewhere Jesus is referred to as our high priest but here is only a similitude.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Very nice info. I listen to Charles Spurgeon and he did a sermon on--------- Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Does that verse in Romans also apply here with what you are pointing out?

Here it says Jesus makes intercession for us. Is this as the priest Melchizadek?

I am under the impression that 'by His stripes we are healed' and that we have 'eternal life' and maybe 'blessings' because of the blood which Jesus shed on the cross according to a 'covenant He made with His Father before He even created all things both seen and unseen.'

Does Jesus still need to make intercession for us while we are still here now in the flesh?

“Does Jesus still need to make intercession for us while we are still here now in the flesh?”

yes brother we have to be holy which means we still need intercession when we have failed that’s the glory of Christ and this indersrsnding they didn’t have that we do

there was no man worthy to intercede onGod became our perfect high priest by living , being tempted in every way but never sinning perfect and holt he lives as a man then died as a sinner deserves and because he didn’t have sin death had no right to hold him

now we have an eternal intercessor when we fail , that’s what Paul is talking about how no one can condemn us because we have Christ ever interceding for us always advocating for his disciples even when we fall short he’s right there with the blood and word of promise that sanctifies us who repent

 

[persistent]

Haha I’m nOt sure actually about that particular verse I’m assuming it is tied to Satan being cast out of heaven and into earth and revelation talks of his dark kingdom as well as Paul speaks of the spiritual evil kingdom we are at war with I assume it ties to that but actually am not sure what that particular reference is

spirgeon and some of the other popular writers from those times I have t ever really studied them much I’ve read quotes and things thy at I like a lot from several of them even from opponents of each other calvin had some good things to say , spurgeon , on and on really they all had good stuff to say but often the conclusions they reach aren’t something I can totally agree with but I’m not saying they aren’t right or anything I’m just saying I can’t quite reach the same conclusions always that they have but absolutely think they all had a lot of good to say in the interim before they conclude

I personally think all Christian’s have something to say that’s good value sometimes it’s simple and straight forward other times it reaches below the surface other times it’s not abo a scriptire but about an experience they’ve had with God in their life

children often say some of the most profound things in my view things we had forgotten but thier innocence just blurts out lol

there’s always some good value to each of us what we do and say if we’re Christian believers it’s too bad we can’t seem to open up to others and let some of that in because my own belief is it would bring our understanding much closer together if we could elimate pride and envy and arguing over every matter

Just what you are saying here is also a big problem for some of us because like the scripture talks about "even the elect possibly being deceived". I was also thinking about where Satan tried tempting Jesus but that's a whole different kettle of 153fish????

 

[persistent]

“Does Jesus still need to make intercession for us while we are still here now in the flesh?”

yes brother we have to be holy which means we still need intercession when we have failed that’s the glory of Christ and this indersrsnding they didn’t have that we do

there was no man worthy to intercede onGod became our perfect high priest by living , being tempted in every way but never sinning perfect and holt he lives as a man then died as a sinner deserves and because he didn’t have sin death had no right to hold him

now we have an eternal intercessor when we fail , that’s what Paul is talking about how no one can condemn us because we have Christ ever interceding for us always advocating for his disciples even when we fall short he’s right there with the blood and word of promise that sanctifies us who repent

Spurgeon made the analogy that like in the OT the death angel was only looking for the blood on the lintel and like you say here if we accept the sacrifice Jesus made for us the Father sees only that blood that cleanses us???

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Just what you are saying here is also a big problem for some of us because like the scripture talks about "even the elect possibly being deceived". I was also thinking about where Satan tried tempting Jesus but that's a whole different kettle of 153fish????

yep but see Hebrews explains more of it that ties into what we’re talking about the” why “ Jesus became flesh and was tempted

“Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:14-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The high priest has to endure and overcome temptation and remain holy before Jesus came in the flesh we didn’t have that

“Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:15-16‬ ‭

He became the intercessor that mankind needed but never had his temptations also happened during his human life before we even read of him being baptized he lives a perfectly sinless life even though he faced every temptation man does we sin but he never did

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Spurgeon made the analogy that like in the OT the death angel was only looking for the blood on the lintel and like you say here if we accept the sacrifice Jesus made for us the Father sees only that blood that cleanses us???

yeah I sort of see what you mean in the law they had to always every day make blood sacrifices from doves to lambs to goats and bulls ect each blood sacrifice had a different meaning and intent there are several sacrifices in the law

the most important if we were to divide the law into parts would be on the day of atonement it’s actually what we’re seeing here the true day of atonement in heaven the blood has already been shed when we see the lamb hat was slain appear beforehand but the other part of atonement is this

“And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭8:3-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is an image of inside the temple on the day of atonement in the ot. The blood and also the sensor of fire to make the smoke rose before the curtain I the holy of holies

the old things are a pattern of what God is actually doing in heaven for us.

the blood they shed never remitted any sins but actually served to remind them that they were sinners and if they didn’t have constant blood shed for them they would die in Gods presence

“But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it was o my the pattern of Jesus shedding his blood that does cover sin and does remit sin from the conscience of the believer it doesn’t remind us we’re condemned sinners who die if we come to the lord but it’s declaring we are his children and we are washed and clean and we will live forever if we come into his presence

the word and blood work together the old reminded of sins by the blood and the word imputes every sin to make men guilty

the word of Christ and blood he shed is the opposite it remits our sins from Gods sight and our conscience equally so we don’t live thinking “ I’m just an old sinner I can never be right with God I need to stay away in the distance or I’ll die for sure “

This is actually what they thought of they heard Gods word they would die because the blood was a constant reminder of thier sin and sinfulness and inability to repent and the word is so harsh and unforgiving you sin and your out to death and sometimes then hung on a tree as a reminder to “everyone sin is death this is what happens to sinners “

the whole testsment is abo it making men know they are sinners and guilty and deserve death

then you have Jesus who takes thy t on himself in our place , and speaks better word “ hear my word and you will live and never be condemned “ and his blood is also e opposite it’s a reminded that he’s remitted our sins not that they are being constantly imputed

but yes the concept was looking forward to Christs blood and that’s the blood we are born of the holy and pure blood of Jesus Christ that has no sin and is acceptable forever in Gods presence to remit our sins we know this just due because the new testsment declares it again and again

the issue is we have to repent also we can’t keep sinning willfully Ed have to let the word and blood work in us to change our Will and deeds through faith hearing and believing the lords word

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Just what you are saying here is also a big problem for some of us because like the scripture talks about "even the elect possibly being deceived". I was also thinking about where Satan tried tempting Jesus but that's a whole different kettle of 153fish????

remember the elect being deceived is about false prophets and false teachers who stray from the truth

if we first accept Jesus word we can’t be led astray by fallacy the gospel is like our truth compass if anyone is teaching the opposite of Jesus you already know they are misled and either knowingly or in knowingly leading anyone who listens astray

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so for instance when we learn this from the lord our God it is his truth that cannot be a lie or wrong

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if the. Someone comes along saying “ that’s not true tha not how God is “ and they are explaining different things we know Already they havent heard the truth and are speaking thier own imaginations about what they think God is like and what he wills and requires

to be deceived is to let people teach us “ the gospel is for the old Jews not for Christian’s “ or “ Paul preached the real gospel and he says grace grace your saved “ or anyone who’s idea is that Jesus teachings and words aren’t for Christian’s

that will guard our minds and hearts in Christ to stick to what the lord and his apostles taught and start to believe those things

mostly the biggest problem we have is when the Bible says something clearly , we thought something else before that rather than changing our thinking to what he said we try to omit the things that don’t support what we had thought beforehand so we aren’t perceived as “ wrong “

it’s really hard for us to let Jesus and e gospel teach us but it’s also where we find his true grace and salvstion that will never fail us

if we keep our eyes on Jesus and the gospel and then learn from the apostles about it there’s no deception possible even if we don’t understand it all perfectly we know it’s true d tbat keeps us on truth even if we stumble from time to time or fall flat on our face Jesus is there to pick us up and put us back on solid feet and the. He’s calling us to keep walking with him

if our eyes are on the light we will not be led into darkness

 

[Franc254]

i know im still learning but I dont think melkizedek was JESUS

 

[JaumeJ]

i know im still learning but I dont think melkizedek was JESUS

Think on the full translation of the King's name, Melchizedek means King of Righteousness, and He is calle the King of Salem or King of Peace. There is but One who fits this description, Our Savior. God bless you.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Think on the full translation of the King's name, Melchizedek means King of Righteousness, and He is calle the King of Salem or King of Peace. There is but One who fits this description, Our Savior. God bless you.

exactly melchezidek is a veiled figure of Jesus , a similitude of the son of God as much of the ot holds for Christian’s

“For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s just telling us that melchezidek is gods high priest not actually the Aaron of preisthood of the levites under the law but of the priestly order before the law was ever given according to the promise made to Abraham and not the rebellion of the children of Israel
And Moses word in the law.

Jesus is the true high priest melchezidek serves Jesus he hadn’t yet become flesh in those days to proclaim his priestly right as the perfect man and intercessor

The difference in Jesus and the leviticle preists is intercession they were sinners condemned to death interceding for sinners condemned to death Jesus is eternally alive and forever the high priest and intercessor now

“And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever After the order of Melchisedec.

For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest: (for those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever After the order of Melchisedec

By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: but this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:15-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Our intercessor is at the right hand of God continually interceding and advocating for us by his own blood . They had sinners interceding in a copy of the temple in heaven by animal blood and Moses word . that’s of course beginning with the knowledge of the psalms being prophetic about Christ

“The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: Rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, In the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: Thou hast the dew of thy youth.

The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭110:1-4‬ ‭

He is the word become flesh

 

[oyster67]

So, is Melchizedek a previous incarnation of Jesus?