Hypocrites beware

VW · Jul 15, 2011

Oh, yeah, I know why people react to my words as they do. They don't like them. That is obvious.

But there is a deeper reason which you are not seeing. There are doctrines prevalent today which obscure the call for holiness that is the office of the Holy Spirit, and even doctrines which discount any office from the Holy Spirit which might work to point out the fallacy of these doctrines. I was captive in these doctrines for years. I had belief, faith, hope, and I even thought that I had love. But what I had was deception, self deception. I had willing made grace to be a license to sin. This had happened because I studied scripture without the benefit of the Holy Spirit's annointing and teaching. I hence came up with an extremely distorted view of grace, salvation, and eternal life. And from this view, I was excluded from the resurrection life of Christ Jesus, and was instead enslaved to sin.

I was unable to receive any word which spoke against the way I believed.

Now that God has delivered me from this darkness, I see the way that I had ignored, closed my eyes to, so much of scripture.

It is a true saying, worthy of acceptance by all, that Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners, and I may not be chief, but I am definitely one. It is also worthy of acceptance that the heart is deceitful beyond belief, and no one can know it. But God can shine His light into the darkest heart, and bring peace and love.

That is all that I am calling others to. The light of God. Jesus is the light of God.

In Christ,

Necto · Jul 15, 2011

eternally-gratefull said:

So the Bible does not tell us about Jesus?

It does not tell us he created all things

it does not tell us what he has done for all mankind

it does not tell us how he expects us to live, the dangers we face, ertc etc.

When a king made a proclamation, and sent the letter with his seal to anyone. The letter was considered equal to him. It is as if he said those words.

Scripture says the word is jesus. Of course it testifies of him. It tells us everything about him. It has the seal of the HS. When you read it. it is as if you are reading the words directly sent from God. it is equal to him, because it is him.

You better get off your repent thing. You have no right to judge anyone!

Are you blind idolater! Woe to you! Your idol - a bible. People like you never heard of the Living God, and do not need Him!

VW · Jul 15, 2011

eternally-gratefull said:

Just because someone misinterprets scripture does not mean we should not use scripture as our ultimate authority. If you are given an instruction manual on how to use a complicated peace of equipment. and someone misinterprets the manual, does that make the manual invalid?

Yes it does belong to the father, And it was given to Jesus. But the word is Jesus. To deny this is to deny God himself.

And you better be careful with your judgments there son. I don't need to repent because I hold the word God spent 2000 years writing as my ultimate authority.. And how dare you think I do. Who made you God??????????????

Do not call me son.

VW · Jul 15, 2011

eternally-gratefull said:

For what? Saying to repent? Are you kidding? This is offensive?

How about false prophet? How about liar? How about someone who channels demons?
All things which have been said about me, and it seems that you whole heartedly agree.

Repent, for the day of the Lord is at hand.
This is my signature for the near future.
If it offends you, then you have the problem.
Jesus is the one who said that if your hand offends you, cut it off and cast it away from you, for it is better to enter the kingdom of heaven without the hand than to burn in hell whole.

VW · Jul 15, 2011

These things I have spoken to you, that you may be kept from stumbling. They will make you outcasts from the synagogue, but an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God. And these things they will do because they have not known the Father, or Me. But these things I have spoke to you, that when their hour comes, you may remember that I told you of them. And these tings I did not say to you at the beginning, because I was with you.

Food for thought.

Repent, for the day of the Lord is at hand.

Red33 · Jul 15, 2011

VW said:

This is why we have local churches that function as a living organism with a pastor-teacher and where the word and doctrine are taught to edify and build believer in the faith. When issues of the word and doctrine come up or areas of fellowship and the work of the ministry, this is where they are dealt with, in the local church. If there is sin or trends that need to be dealt with, it happens in the assembly of the saints and not out here in lala land.

You seem to be speaking as one who is an outcast that is desperately trying to give God's message to the church when God is ministering His word and message within the church to the believers that assemble themselves together for that purpose. You have spoken for God that He loathes the assembly. God is a gatherer and not a scatterer. He gathered with the disciples almost daily and with others as He went from village to village. He gathered in the temple and synagogues to teach the word with others. He often went to the temple to pray for it was a house of prayer.

He gathered Himself with publicans and sinners and in some of the homes of His disciples AND the Pharisees. The multitudes were constantly gathering themselves unto Him at the seashore and on the hillside and most places that He went. He ate with them and attended their marriages and gathered in their market-places. He told the disciples to gather in the upper room and to tarry there until the promise came. Christ will be gathering the church when He appears in the clouds of the air to be ever gathered with them in heaven that where He is we may be also, where there will be a marriage supper and we will all be gathered for that great event.

When I hear anyone that preaches a message or makes a prophecy that scatters the church and body of Christ, no matter what they have done, that is not the heart of our Lord Jesus Christ. Even with a rebellious and murderous Israel He said in (Mt 2:37)...

37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

VW · Jul 15, 2011

Yep, they will not, still they refuse.

Repent, for the day of the Lord is at hand.

wisdomseeker · Jul 15, 2011

zone said:

These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

It has occured to me you dont think before you speak,If you choose to be a teacher you must learn to bridal your tongue.Why you and others on this page dispute the first words of vw is beyound me.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.luke 6, 40

Who is Jesus God from the belly?his fathers trusted in him also?

And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.exod 6 kjv
And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovahnissi:

and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty; but by my name Jehovah I was not known to them. nsv

I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty’[a]—but I did not reveal my name, Yahweh, to them. nlt

kai wfqhn prov Abraam kai Isaak kai Iakwb qeov wn autwn kai to onoma mou kuriov ouk edhlwsa autoiv clickable links

AnandaHya · Jul 15, 2011

VW said:

I think God does speak to VW.

God has told him to repent, for the day of the Lord is at hand.

God told him not to answer critics (but we can see his obedience to that is not complete)

God has told him that he is being a hypocrite (but he prefers to think the message is for someone else)

God has told him he has strongholds and walls that cause him to not listen to the words of GOD (but he thinks that is for others as well)

I don't know I don't really have anything to say except perhaps you should reread your words and say "hey I guess God was talking to just me not the whole world"

God does not send His messages with out addressing them TO PEOPLE. who is this letter addressed to?

VW

but hey its nicer to think its for others and not yourself. it is easier to think the message is not for me, I've done my part, blah blah blah. me me me

that is all I see from these words

lets not change the topic. lets not talk about people who are actually in need. lets not learn how to tell people about Jesus, not just open this thread if you need a bit of condemnation with your self hatred and self pity. If you don't then obviously this thread is not about you and you should ignore the things it does to people who are already hurting.

you should ignore me telling them they are unworthy harlots but no I'm not saying it I'm letting their own hearts tell them this so its not me GOD.

see how well that holds up before the Heavenly Father when your words causes someone to commit suicide.

of course we can see this thread is not about them. no don't have any time to comfort the rape victims that feel like whores. we have to attend to VW's needs.

nevermind ignore the question, just as you would ignore the child. its not part of your "prophecy"

AnandaHya · Jul 15, 2011

wisdomseeker said:

then you have not been paying attention. VW first words were fine with me, it was his subsequent words and condemnation he spoke to others I found offensive. it is when he tells us God tells him to condemn His church that I must say that is a lie. It is when he made the statement about a whore in a wedding dress and how God will not accept that and implying that those in the church are whores that I find offensive. Even after many have told him that the church is not a building, not a denomination but PEOPLE God has called out to be HIS. PEOPLE he call out daily to be His BRIDE to make up His body.

That is what I find offensive. Defend him if you want since he loves the attention. just be careful you don't get bitten by his little pet. not all eggs hatch chickens.

as for sowing discord, what do you call telling people they are unworthy whores qualify as? love, comfort edification? do you really find it a just exhortation?

but no VW didn't call them whores he just planted the seed and allows them to come to that conclusion themselves.

I don't chose to be a teacher, I chose to be a child of God part of His earthly church.

VW choses to be a self proclaimed prophet and mouthpiece of GOD and you chose to defend him?

AnandaHya · Jul 15, 2011

Matthew 7:3-5
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

unclefester · Jul 15, 2011

AnandaHya said:

then you have not been paying attention. VW first words were fine with me, it was his subsequent words and condemnation he spoke to others I found offensive. it is when he tells us God tells him to condemn His church that I must say that is a lie. It is when he made the statement about a whore in a wedding dress and how God will not accept that and implying that those in the church are whores that I find offensive. Even after many have told him that the church is not a building, not a denomination but PEOPLE God has called out to be HIS. PEOPLE he call out daily to be His BRIDE to make up His body.

That is what I find offensive. Defend him if you want since he loves the attention. just be careful you don't get bitten by his little pet. not all eggs hatch chickens.

as for sowing discord, what do you call telling people they are unworthy whores qualify as? love, comfort edification? do you really find it a just exhortation?

but no VW didn't call them whores he just planted the seed and allows them to come to that conclusion themselves.

I don't chose to be a teacher, I chose to be a child of God part of His earthly church.

VW choses to be a self proclaimed prophet and mouthpiece of GOD and you chose to defend him?

EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......you nailed it.

STANDING OVATION FOR MY DEAR SIS' IN CHRIST....... ANANDA

zone · Jul 15, 2011

VW said:

LOL!
you think that's about YOU????
of course you do.

aawww....poor xtian prophets in 2011

persecuted by the 'dead harlot' church Jesus died for.

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WALL

whew

a-a-a-anyways: for anyone INSIDE CHRIST'S BELOVED CHURCH who loves to read the scriptures in context and know what they are talking about (in spite of the "modern day prophets' downgrading and cheapening of the real Biblical characters....)

...here are some examples of the real apostles persecuted by the jews exactly as Jesus told THEM (corrupted in phony vw's rip-off piece above).

John 9:22
(His parents said these things because they feared the Jews, for the Jews had already agreed that if anyone should confess Jesus to be Christ, he was to be put out of the synagogue.)

John 12:42
Nevertheless, many even of the authorities believed in him, but for fear of the Pharisees they did not confess it, so that they would not be put out of the synagogue;

Acts 9:23
Saul Escapes from Damascus
23 When many days had passed, the Jews plotted to kill him, 24 but their plot became known to Saul. They were watching the gates day and night in order to kill him, 25 but his disciples took him by night and let him down through an opening in the wall, lowering him in a basket.

Acts 17:5
But the Jews were jealous, and taking some wicked men of the rabble, they formed a mob, set the city in an uproar, and attacked the house of Jason, seeking to bring them out to the crowd.

Acts 21
Paul Arrested in the Temple
27 When the seven days were almost completed, the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him, 28 crying out, “Men of Israel, help! This is the man who is teaching everyone everywhere against the people and the law and this place. Moreover, he even brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place.”

Paul Speaks to the People
37As Paul was about to be brought into the barracks, he said to the tribune, “May I say something to you?” And he said, “Do you know Greek? 38 Are you not the Egyptian, then, who recently stirred up a revolt and led the four thousand men of the Assassins out into the wilderness?” 39 Paul replied, “I am a Jew, from Tarsus in Cilicia, a citizen of no obscure city. I beg you, permit me to speak to the people.” 40 And when he had given him permission, Paul, standing on the steps, motioned with his hand to the people. And when there was a great hush, he addressed them in the Hebrew language, saying:

Acts 22
1 “Brothers and fathers, hear the defense that I now make before you.”
2 And when they heard that he was addressing them in the Hebrew language, they became even more quiet. And he said:

3 “I am a Jew, born in Tarsus in Cilicia, but brought up in this city, educated at the feet of Gamaliel according to the strict manner of the law of our fathers, being zealous for God as all of you are this day. 4 I persecuted this Way to the death, binding and delivering to prison both men and women, 5 as the high priest and the whole council of elders can bear me witness. From them I received letters to the brothers, and I journeyed toward Damascus to take those also who were there and bring them in bonds to Jerusalem to be punished.

Galatians 1
Paul Called by God
11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man’s gospel. 12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. 13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God violently and tried to destroy it. 14 And I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers.

Philippians 3:6
If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5 circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; 6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless.

unclefester · Jul 15, 2011

zone said:

It's so ridiculous, I can't believe what I'm reading sometimes (I'm quite serious). Such persecution these "prophets" endure. Eating their three-square a day in the comfort of their air-conditioned den/computer rooms. Maybe some even forced to speak on God's behalf with their $1,000.00 laptop while sitting poolside under the umbrella sipping some chilled Zinfandel. Must be treacherous to be one of them. Not a wonder they all subscribe to "Woe Is Me" monthly. Truly a spectacle to behold.

zone · Jul 15, 2011

VW said:

crackpots and fanatics...

unclefester · Jul 15, 2011

zone said:

Can't help it ..........ROFLMHO !!

zone · Jul 15, 2011

wisdomseeker said:

1) vw is a false prophet.
2) vw is not my brother.
3) bid him Godspeed if you dare.

eternally-gratefull · Jul 15, 2011

VW said:

Dude. I asked you to stop. You refused. If you don't like being reported. DON"T JUDGE PEOPLE. Like I said, you can say you disagree with me, Say I am following men. Say this or that. But to continue to tell me to repent like you are GOD is for the birds!!! You have no right to tell anyone to repent.

eternally-gratefull · Jul 15, 2011

VW said:

It is funny how you like to quote scripture you don't even hold as your authority. It is like scripture is fine if it agrees with you. Otherwise, it is useless. Isn't this a thread about hypocrites? What do you think that makes you??

eternally-gratefull · Jul 15, 2011

zone said:

When is the next day of the lords return?? Maybe some of these prophets can tell us?

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