Hypocrites beware

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AnandaHya

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for those willing to learn from history I would highly recommend these sermons. I found them very informative:

A Survey of Heresies by Phil Johnson


Date Message Scripture Download
090-074-PJ The Socinians
(Series: PJ-CDA04) Selected Scriptures
MP3
090-073-PJ The Pelagians
(Series: PJ-CDA04) Selected Scriptures
MP3
090-072-PJ The Arians, #2
(Series: PJ-CDA04) Selected Scriptures
MP3
090-071-PJ The Arians, #1
(Series: PJ-CDA04) Selected Scriptures
MP3
090-070-PJ The Gnostics
(Series: PJ-CDA04) Selected Scriptures
MP3
090-069-PJ The Judaizers
(Series: PJ-CDA04) Selected Scriptures
MP3
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
when your viewpoint is non scriptural, It is not from God. The fact you can't see this shows you have your own agenda, are seeking praise, or are just speaking words of satan himself (even if you can't see it). God does not need a prophet to tell us what our troubles are. He has told us in the word he has given us. Yet most so called "prophets" reject that word given by God as ultimate authority. I wonder why??

People who reject the ultimate authority of scripture. and need outside sources to make their doctrines provable either do not see the heresy they are preaching and believing in. Or are blinded by the fact that what they teach and believe is not from God. The largest church on Earth struggles with this problem. And many of the so called "new" churches struggle with it to. Satan has had 6000 years to distort truth in so many way, He has studied mankind and knows what it takes to deceive them. He is not a fool. It is just amazing that the same tactics he used on the jews, and on many others are still affective today. Yet people can't see it. because they do not want to learn from history. And pride will not allow them to see their inconsistencies and errors.
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If scripture could not be used incorrectly, then Satan could never have tempted Jesus with them. Your argument is invalid, and is illogical.

If I was telling things pleasant, easy to hear, then I might agree with you. Even scripture warns us of the things I am saying, in the letters of the Apostles. Read them for yourself, if you dare.

But do not tell me that scripture is the ultimate authority, because that place belongs to the Father, and He has given this place to Jesus.

So, you need to repent. Soon,
 
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AnandaHya said:
hey guys found this interesting and wanted to make sure our "prophets" saw it. hope you don't mind Laodicea
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very cool Lao! thank you! (and ana)

then there's this:

Hebrews 1
The Supremacy of God’s Son
1 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.

Ephesians 2
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17 And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

amen.
 
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Red33 said:
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word.

The 'word' is rhema, and refers to that which is spoken or revealed, which we are to live by from the mouth of God (Mt 4:4). The written word is the logos (the word and person of Christ), which is what God has spoken from the beginning, which was made flesh and dwelt among man and was recorded in written form. It is of no less authority and life as rhema because they are both from the mouth of God which has been spoken and revealed unto us. However, you can't have rhema without logos because rhema comes from logos, (the word and person of Jesus Christ). Rhema is the word revealed to our mind and heart by the Holy Spirit from the Logos (Jesus Christ). There is no rhema given to man outside the logos. The witness and testimony of rhema (God's revealed word) is the logos (Jesus Christ). Both rhema and logos are inspired of God, the only difference is that rhema is dependent on logos while logos can stands on its own without being witnessed or dependent upon rhema.

The mystery of all this is that God through His Holy Spirit takes rhema and gives life to logos in the heart of man so that man can have faith to believe. Man then believes in his heart upon logos through the revelation of rhema. That is how rhema and logos work together to bring the light of the glorious gospel to live and bring salvation into the heart of man.
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You can certainly have the logos without the rhema, Just ask any Pharisee.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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VW said:
You can certainly have the logos without the rhema, Just ask any Pharisee.
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That in no way means the "logos" should not be our ultimate authority.
 
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VW said:
What is a wolf, disguised in sheep's clothing? Someone who has nice sounding words, but in actual fact are misleading others into destruction.
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vague, and broad sweeping condemnations...never real issues brought forward, not doctrinal errors corrected.
no nothing like that.

just weird claims of being dumped by Jesus for not being contemplative or whatever. not hearing voices.
its downright creepy.

Revelation 12:10
Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.

Romans 8:33
Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.
 
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AnandaHya said:
for those willing to learn from history I would highly recommend these sermons. I found them very informative:

A Survey of Heresies by Phil Johnson


Date Message Scripture Download
090-074-PJ The Socinians
(Series: PJ-CDA04) Selected Scriptures
MP3
090-073-PJ The Pelagians
(Series: PJ-CDA04) Selected Scriptures
MP3
090-072-PJ The Arians, #2
(Series: PJ-CDA04) Selected Scriptures
MP3
090-071-PJ The Arians, #1
(Series: PJ-CDA04) Selected Scriptures
MP3
090-070-PJ The Gnostics
(Series: PJ-CDA04) Selected Scriptures
MP3
090-069-PJ The Judaizers
(Series: PJ-CDA04) Selected Scriptures
MP3
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excellent:D
 
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VW said:
If scripture could not be used incorrectly, then Satan could never have tempted Jesus with them. Your argument is invalid, and is illogical.

If I was telling things pleasant, easy to hear, then I might agree with you. Even scripture warns us of the things I am saying, in the letters of the Apostles. Read them for yourself, if you dare.

But do not tell me that scripture is the ultimate authority, because that place belongs to the Father, and He has given this place to Jesus.

So, you need to repent. Soon,
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Just because someone misinterprets scripture does not mean we should not use scripture as our ultimate authority. If you are given an instruction manual on how to use a complicated peace of equipment. and someone misinterprets the manual, does that make the manual invalid?

Yes it does belong to the father, And it was given to Jesus. But the word is Jesus. To deny this is to deny God himself.

And you better be careful with your judgments there son. I don't need to repent because I hold the word God spent 2000 years writing as my ultimate authority.. And how dare you think I do. Who made you God??????????????
 
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zone said:
vague, and broad sweeping condemnations...never real issues brought forward, not doctrinal errors corrected.
no nothing like that.

just weird claims of being dumped by Jesus for not being contemplative or whatever. not hearing voices.
its downright creepy.

Revelation 12:10
Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.

Romans 8:33
Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.
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They are actually very specific. Evasions are what I get as answers. I am not looking for an answer from anyone. I am just giving warnings. You can take heed, or ignore them.

As to your charge that I have condemned everyone. No one is condemned by these words, most just reject them out of hand, because they don't sound nice to them.

Again, you do not have to listen to these words, you can ignore them all you want to.

But don't think that I will stop warning you. I must.

In Christ,
 
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rainacorn

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They are actually very specific. Evasions are what I get as answers. I am not looking for an answer from anyone. I am just giving warnings. You can take heed, or ignore them.

As to your charge that I have condemned everyone. No one is condemned by these words, most just reject them out of hand, because they don't sound nice to them.

Again, you do not have to listen to these words, you can ignore them all you want to.

But don't think that I will stop warning you. I must.

In Christ,
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The problem is that you're so busy warning other people that you are completely blind to how guilty you are of the very things you warn against.

That's why people flip out on you.

Do you understand?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Just because someone misinterprets scripture does not mean we should not use scripture as our ultimate authority. If you are given an instruction manual on how to use a complicated peace of equipment. and someone misinterprets the manual, does that make the manual invalid?

Yes it does belong to the father, And it was given to Jesus. But the word is Jesus. To deny this is to deny God himself.

And you better be careful with your judgments there son. I don't need to repent because I hold the word God spent 2000 years writing as my ultimate authority.. And how dare you think I do. Who made you God??????????????
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Are you for real? The bible is Jesus? How can this be? Jesus says of the scripture that it testifies of Him. Of one testifies of himself, then his testimony is not true. Who said this?

But Jesus said that if He testifies of Himself, then His testimony is true, because He is the Son.

The bible is not Jesus.

repent.
 
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The problem is that you're so busy warning other people that you are completely blind to how guilty you are of the very things you warn against.

That's why people flip out on you.

Do you understand?
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Have I ever said that I am not guilty? Where have you read this in my words? I have actually said that I am more guilty than most.

So, you are judging me, when I have not judged you at all.

Repent.
 
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Are you for real? The bible is Jesus? How can this be? Jesus says of the scripture that it testifies of Him. Of one testifies of himself, then his testimony is not true. Who said this?

But Jesus said that if He testifies of Himself, then His testimony is true, because He is the Son.

The bible is not Jesus.

repent.
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So the Bible does not tell us about Jesus?

It does not tell us he created all things

it does not tell us what he has done for all mankind

it does not tell us how he expects us to live, the dangers we face, ertc etc.

When a king made a proclamation, and sent the letter with his seal to anyone. The letter was considered equal to him. It is as if he said those words.

Scripture says the word is jesus. Of course it testifies of him. It tells us everything about him. It has the seal of the HS. When you read it. it is as if you are reading the words directly sent from God. it is equal to him, because it is him.

You better get off your repent thing. You have no right to judge anyone!
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
So the Bible does not tell us about Jesus?

It does not tell us he created all things

it does not tell us what he has done for all mankind

it does not tell us how he expects us to live, the dangers we face, ertc etc.

When a king made a proclamation, and sent the letter with his seal to anyone. The letter was considered equal to him. It is as if he said those words.

Scripture says the word is jesus. Of course it testifies of him. It tells us everything about him. It has the seal of the HS. When you read it. it is as if you are reading the words directly sent from God. it is equal to him, because it is him.

You better get off your repent thing. You have no right to judge anyone!
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The scripture is equal to God? How many of you believe this?

Repent. The time is short.
 
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VW said:
The scripture is equal to God? How many of you believe this?

Repent. The time is short.
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Just to let you know. You can tell me you disagree. You can say I am wrong. You can say I follow men. Whatever. But to tell someone to repent over and over is ridiculous. Especially after I told you if you kept doing it I would report it.

You have been reported!
 
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VW said:
Have I ever said that I am not guilty? Where have you read this in my words? I have actually said that I am more guilty than most.

So, you are judging me, when I have not judged you at all.

Repent.
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You have judged me as someone who judges you.

Repent.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Just to let you know. You can tell me you disagree. You can say I am wrong. You can say I follow men. Whatever. But to tell someone to repent over and over is ridiculous. Especially after I told you if you kept doing it I would report it.

You have been reported!
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According to how VW thinks concerning the inspiration of the written word and the kind of truth that's revealed by the Spirit, the reason for his incessant demand for repentance is because he believes that you and others are modern day examples of practicing Pharisees and are hypocrites that God has no liking for nor will He give mercy to. You are not alone for I am also included in that number. So, in his eyes of understanding, we are doomed under the judgment of God that is coming upon the church unless we repent of both our idolatry of God's word and our blasphemy against the Spirit and against him and others who have been called by God to be a prophet to the church.

In my opinion and personal conviction, there will be a measure of judgment and chastisement upon believers in the church that will purge the leaven (false doctrine and half truths) but God will be merciful and kind to those that He has called by grace and redeemed with His blood and this will yield a peacable fruit of righteousness because He is a just God. God will continue to bring in discipline and scourging, where it is needed, and even put some to sleep as He has always done since the inception of the church. But the purpose for this purging will be to equip the church with His unadulterated word for what they will be called by God to perform prior to His return. Many will be sobered up during this time as they wake out of their sleep and God will give them light to walk in. All of this will be done to edify and build up His church and body and not to condemn it. Anyone that has visions, dreams or claims certain prophecies that will coincide with what happened to those in the wilderness under Moses, putting the church under that same condemnation, does not understand the nature of what God has redeemed nor the One who shed His blood to redeem them.
 
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However, is my judgment false? Did you not judge me?

I have repented, have you?
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I tried to help you understand why people are reacting as they are, since you seem confused by this phenomena.

You appear to think you are above reproach or correction and become immediately defensive if you think someone disagrees.

Why is this?
 
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rainacorn said:
I tried to help you understand why people are reacting as they are, since you seem confused by this phenomena.

You appear to think you are above reproach or correction and become immediately defensive if you think someone disagrees.

Why is this?
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Excuse me, but I have been attacked repeatedly for saying exactly what is recorded in scripture.

It seems funny to me that you are trying to correct me, by telling me that I am false.

If people just disagreed with me, then I would have no reason to appear defensive. But rather than disagree, they, (you included,) state that I am not only wrong, but deceived. That is a personal attack.

If I call you a liar, how would you react? Have I returned the attack, by calling others liars?

I have been constant from the very first, when I first came on this group. If anyone finds my words offensive, they only have to choose to not read them. I can be placed on anyone's ignore list. But no one has chosen to do this, but rather to call me a false prophet and deceived and a liar.

Seems to me that something or someone is confused.

I know that you do not like what I write. Why do you continue to read my words?

In Christ,
 
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