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I live in South Dakota, I don't believe it will be a target and it is upwind of places like Minneapolis, Chicago, and St. Louis.
There's a lot of advantages to living long range from population dense areas that most don't think about when they move. As long as there are provisions available, it sounds like a very good choice!
 

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I'm not sure where you think I'm suggesting a pretrib rapture? I just don't see anything major going on about the dates of September 23 & 24th. I checked airline news because what was suggested was that a bunch of insiders were going to the underground city beneath the Colorado airport.
Anytime you don't see something happening on these warning dates - you can be quite sure that there is something going on in the background - being set up - and, at this point, could possibly be somewhere else in the world rather than here.

As to 2030, that is the year that was published by certain NWO/Great Reset globalists as to their mass murder of the majority of the Earth's population. If you watch the Analysis given in my posted videos, the sources and quotes are revealed. That will get you up to speed if you have further interest in that subject.
Oh yeah - did not think about that when I read your post. Makes more sense now.

In my Evangelical/ Baptist background was completely devoted to a pre trib view. That's just the norm that came from influencers in those circles of believers. However, in recent years I've had an open mind to reexamine the Scriptures to a possibility that kept coming up in my past.

https://ifbtube.com/after-the-tribulation/
It is good that you are willing to re-evaluate... (y) :cool:

I would like to assure you that a good-and-proper study of endtimes prophecy will take you to the unwavering conclusion that 'pretrib' is not biblical.
 

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I would like to assure you that a good-and-proper study of endtimes prophecy will take you to the unwavering conclusion that 'pretrib' is not biblical.
I think it is crystal clear in the New Testament that there will be a rapture prior to the tribulation, but it will certainly not include all Christians. So it is equally clear that many of those Christians who are alive will go through the tribulation, I would even think it will be more than 80%.

However, many of the rapture verses don't make sense after the tribulation starts. We are told very clearly that the Antichrist confirming the covenant with the many is the beginning of the 70th week. If you saw that then how could the rapture after that be a surprise? We are told that during this 70th week Israel starts offering sacrifices and oblations and rebuilds the temple. How could you not see that?

If it comes like a thief in the night that would have to refer to the Antichrist. Once he is revealed he is no longer like a thief in the night.

The 70th week refers to God's completing his dispensation with Israel. Between the 69th and 70th week you have "the times of the Gentiles" the two thousand year church age. One would think the end of the age would be the harvest that Jesus likens the rapture to. So if the church age ends when the 70th week begins it wouldn't make sense that it would not end with the rapture.

Also how do you explain the Lord's word to the church in Philadelphia to keep them out of the hour of trial that is coming on the whole earth if that is not a reference to the rapture?
 

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Anytime you don't see something happening on these warning dates - you can be quite sure that there is something going on in the background - being set up - and, at this point, could possibly be somewhere else in the world rather than here.


Oh yeah - did not think about that when I read your post. Makes more sense now.


It is good that you are willing to re-evaluate... (y) :cool:

I would like to assure you that a good-and-proper study of endtimes prophecy will take you to the unwavering conclusion that 'pretrib' is not biblical.
Major activities are always going on behind the scenes. There are hundreds of billions traded constantly and major think tanks that work against us behind the scenes. If I didn't keep my eyes on the Lord, I'd be stressed out way too much knowing the little that is revealed to me about the powers.that shouldn't be.


This is from 2016 about the globalists plans for the future into 2030.
https://www.banned.video/watch?id=5f971772d1e502002fe30f63

That's David Knight's report on what they refer to as Agenda 2030.
Jay's Analysis goes into the documents that they write to one another and he reads the pertinent information. I can't recall which one's I've posted, but they all have relevance.

Have a good week!
 

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I think it is crystal clear in the New Testament that there will be a rapture prior to the tribulation, but it will certainly not include all Christians. So it is equally clear that many of those Christians who are alive will go through the tribulation, I would even think it will be more than 80%.
Based on my experience with trying to give an answer to things like this - it would surely severely derail this thread. Let's not do that.

Absolutly none of this matches what the Bible really actually says (except for one small 'detail' in the 'harvest' statement):
However, many of the rapture verses don't make sense after the tribulation starts. We are told very clearly that the Antichrist confirming the covenant with the many is the beginning of the 70th week. If you saw that then how could the rapture after that be a surprise? We are told that during this 70th week Israel starts offering sacrifices and oblations and rebuilds the temple. How could you not see that?

If it comes like a thief in the night that would have to refer to the Antichrist. Once he is revealed he is no longer like a thief in the night.

The 70th week refers to God's completing his dispensation with Israel. Between the 69th and 70th week you have "the times of the Gentiles" the two thousand year church age. One would think the end of the age would be the harvest that Jesus likens the rapture to. So if the church age ends when the 70th week begins it wouldn't make sense that it would not end with the rapture.
Absolutely none of this is found in Daniel 9. (Like you have been taught to believe.)

There is no 7-year tribulation period in the Bible. It is a misinterpretation of scripture.

There is no "covenant" with Israel (nor a "breaking" of that "covenant"). It is a misinterpretation of scripture.

The 70th week is long over in the distant past - right after the 69th week. Fulfilled. The separated 70th week is not biblical.

Also how do you explain the Lord's word to the church in Philadelphia to keep them out of the hour of trial that is coming on the whole earth if that is not a reference to the rapture?
One of two cases - either of which - it is already fulfilled.

If you truly want real answers, we should take it somewhere else. But, I am not going to spend my time arguing and debating it with anyone. (And, that is what generally ends up happening.)

Put another way - if you or others can convince me that you are truly interested in the truth above all else - if you are willing to break away from the "pretrib club" and actually stand against it (as not being the truth of the scriptures) if you should conclude/decide/discover it to be in error - then - I will consider taking the time to show you what you need to know to accomplish it.

I would consider doing this for @HealthAndHappiness in a PM (if he would like me to) - because, he seems sincere about the knowing the truth on this issue.

Convince me that you want to listen more than expound - and, I will consider adding you to the PM. (assuming HAH wants to do it)

Anyone who is not willing to believe that Daniel 9:24-27 might actually be saying something other than what they were taught - "don't bother"...

(Because, the severe misinterpretation of this passage is what put you into error in the first place - a proper understanding of it is necessary to get you out of that error.)

I say all of this because I have gotten really tired of talking to brick walls that are not truly interested in considering a different POV than the one they enjoy feeling the pride of belonging to (i.e. - the 'pretrib' club). Those who are truly more interested in knowing the truth - well, that may be a more worthwhile effort.

Most of what I would have to say - I have already said - in various threads - here and there - in the past.

Nobody is paying attention.

Oh well...



In any case...

Let's not derail this thread.
 

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Major activities are always going on behind the scenes. There are hundreds of billions traded constantly and major think tanks that work against us behind the scenes. If I didn't keep my eyes on the Lord, I'd be stressed out way too much knowing the little that is revealed to me about the powers.that shouldn't be.
Yep...

You too!
 

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If you truly want real answers, we should take it somewhere else. But, I am not going to spend my time arguing and debating it with anyone. (And, that is what generally ends up happening.)

Put another way - if you or others can convince me that you are truly interested in the truth above all else - if you are willing to break away from the "pretrib club" and actually stand against it (as not being the truth of the scriptures) if you should conclude/decide/discover it to be in error - then - I will consider taking the time to show you what you need to know to accomplish it.

I would consider doing this for @HealthAndHappiness in a PM (if he would like me to) - because, he seems sincere about the knowing the truth on this issue.

Convince me that you want to listen more than expound - and, I will consider adding you to the PM. (assuming HAH wants to do it)

Anyone who is not willing to believe that Daniel 9:24-27 might actually be saying something other than what they were taught - "don't bother"...

(Because, the severe misinterpretation of this passage is what put you into error in the first place - a proper understanding of it is necessary to get you out of that error.)

I say all of this because I have gotten really tired of talking to brick walls that are not truly interested in considering a different POV than the one they enjoy feeling the pride of belonging to (i.e. - the 'pretrib' club). Those who are truly more interested in knowing the truth - well, that may be a more worthwhile effort.

Most of what I would have to say - I have already said - in various threads - here and there - in the past.

Nobody is paying attention.

Oh well...
Please don't anyone misunderstand my motives...

I am not suggesting that I cannot possibly be wrong; rather, I grew up with the 'pretrib' rapture teaching and found it to be in severe error by the time I reached adulthood.

In other words - "been there and done that"...

I understand 'pretrib' all-too-well.

I understand why people believe it.

I also understand why it is in error.

What you (anyone who does not yet understand this) need to understand is that Jesus is not going to "swoop in" and take you away from 'tribulation' - you are already in it - and, the worst is yet to come.

You need to prepare yourself for what is coming...
 

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I think it is crystal clear in the New Testament that there will be a rapture prior to the tribulation, but it will certainly not include all Christians. So it is equally clear that many of those Christians who are alive will go through the tribulation, I would even think it will be more than 80%.
1 Thessalonians 4:

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

You don't think that "we which are alive and remain" is all of the saints alive at the time?

If you say "Oh, that is post-trib." - then, you are suggesting that there are two raptures??? (one pre-trib and one post-trib)

(Indeed, it is post-trib - and, there will be only one rapture - at the Second Coming of Christ.)

Where is it "crystal clear" that the saints get divided into two groups ("one go, one stay")???
 

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Where is it "crystal clear" that there will be a pre-trib rapture?
 

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Where is it "crystal clear" that there will be a pre-trib rapture?
I am open to those who have new revelation, like Paul in Galatians. But like Paul, I'd like to know a little history on this. He shared that he spent 14 years on this revelation and then went to those who were reputed to be pillars, James, Peter and John and laid it before them privately and they gave him the right hand of fellowship.

So then, why not begin with by telling us the pillars in the church that you have laid this revelation out to privately and who have given you the right hand of fellowship and give us links to their websites so we can learn a little about them first.

Otherwise any nut job who picks up the Bible can have some hair brained theory.
 

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Whistle blower, Dr. Judy Mikovits doesn't go along with the PROGRAM and was imprisoned. Instead of the criminal Anthony Fausti going to prison, she did for telling the truth that would save lives. Here's a good interview as she talks about her knowledge of the poison shots and everything else the company produces. Please take note of those even if you haven't taken the shots.

"Dr. Judy Mikovits Exposes The Vaccine Depopulation Agenda And What Comes Next"
VVV
https://theinfowar.tv/watch?id=6331e0bd8f783114e69913ed
 

HealthAndHappiness

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I live in South Dakota, I don't believe it will be a target and it is upwind of places like Minneapolis, Chicago, and St. Louis.
Here's the live broadcast that I wanted to share with you and the others.

https://www.infowars.com

Joel Scousen of the book Strategic Relocation,
World Affairs Brief

This man knows what he's talking about on this topic. You'll likely enjoy it.


Later
 

HealthAndHappiness

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This is a single example of many.
This woman has been effectively programmed.
She has stolen money from children at their lemonade stand and chased them away from interacting like normal people do. The programming has achieved the goal of using minority of compliance to control the majority of normalcy.
Begin at 1:00 Mark
Video: Programmed Woman Confronted by Father of Children
 

ZNP

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This is a single example of many.
This woman has been effectively programmed.
She has stolen money from children at their lemonade stand and chased them away from interacting like normal people do. The programming has achieved the goal of using minority of compliance to control the majority of normalcy.
Begin at 1:00 Mark
Video: Programmed Woman Confronted by Father of Children
because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
 

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How do they get away with programming the nations?
Who exactly are "they?"
While in college I learned about how to do this using the media. It seemed far fetched and at the time merely designed for advertisers to sell their products. Still I learned that TV is dangerous and for almost my entire life have not had a TV, though obviously I do use the internet and computers.

However, Facebook, Tik Tok, Amazon.com, Google, Youtube, etc. are all using these techniques along with tracking software, big data and analytics to mesmerize and control your mind.

This theory of human psychology and mind control has come a long, long way from when I was in college. The use of big data and AI has turbo charged it.
 

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Here is a very good detailed explanation from Alan Watts. It can be listened to in segments. He is quite a historian and provides practical perspectives that blow away college professors. He describes the Uber wealthy families that Satan has used to manipulate mankind, how they achieve it and where they want to take us. Very interesting.

How do they get away with programming the nations?
Who exactly are "they?"

Here is a very good detailed explanation from Alan Watts. It can be listened to in segments. He is quite a historian and provides practical perspectives that blow away college professors.
While in college I learned about how to do this using the media. It seemed far fetched and at the time merely designed for advertisers to sell their products. Still I learned that TV is dangerous and for almost my entire life have not had a TV, though obviously I do use the internet and computers.

However, Facebook, Tik Tok, Amazon.com, Google, Youtube, etc. are all using these techniques along with tracking software, big data and analytics to mesmerize and control your mind.

This theory of human psychology and mind control has come a long, long way from when I was in college. The use of big data and AI has turbo charged it.
You have a good perspective on the manipulation techniques used. I will post Alan Watts informal lecture on this if you want to watch or give feedback yea or nea.

Alan Watts