Cop Flees While DUI - 111 MPH

[kaylagrl]

You have no idea who has or hasn't done anything. This is a made up assumption on your part.

Nor do you. You've got a story about one cop. Or are you trying to say the majority of them are drunks?

Arbitrary" means "based on random choice or personal whim"...

I didn't ask for a dictionary meaning, I asked why you used the term.

that have nothing to do with what we are discussing.

This is a discussion forum, people bring thoughts and opinions to threads. If you can't handle that, discussion forums are not for you. Sometimes we will agree strongly, sometimes disagree.

So is being drunk, evading police and driving 110+ MPH against the law? If it is, then why did you take exception to this thread? Because there wasn't a "praising of the majority" of cops?

I think your name makes your POV clear on cops. Hold the guilty accountable, don't act like they are the majority.

 

[Dirtman]

Whatever we give someone a badge and a gun and give them that much responsibility, then they should be held to a higher standard of accountability.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to prosecute bad cops. That doesn't mean I hate all cops

Of coarse it doesn't. And we should be super vigilant about holding them accountable. Its life and liberty at stake.

 

[Dirtman]

If we are honest we do have a serious problem in America. We have an elite class that get away with what ever they do.
We also have a problem of the police protecting their own even when its an egregious offense. And to say it's just a few is not an excuse. We entrust the folks with far too much power to shrug our shoulders at a few bad apples. Ya ever heard one bad apple can spoil the bunch?
I understand the fraternal concept but those fraternities should hold each other to the highest standards. Not cover for each other in particularly heinous behaviors. All the officers involved in that situation should be fired and their licenses to be a police officer revoked permanently.
A mistake can be over looked because all are human. But when it comes to putting the public at large in danger. It really must be met with severe repercussions. Especially if you are a public official or social elite.

 

[EndQualifiedImmunity]

No, that's your opinion.




I think you read what I said. Hold the guilty accountable. Same as with the FBI. Biden should have been impeached 10x already, never mind the son. Whole family is corrupt.

And you don't think exposing corrupt cops is "holding them accountable"? Once again, why did you take exception to the video?

 

[EndQualifiedImmunity]

No, that's your opinion.




I think you read what I said. Hold the guilty accountable. Same as with the FBI. Biden should have been impeached 10x already, never mind the son. Whole family is corrupt.

It's actually a fact that you're moving the goal post. You even brought up Nancy Pelosi's drunk husband getting a sweetheart deal after the police investigators and the DA colluded. You probably don't see it as a bad thing to expose THAT corruption... but for some reason you don't like this video exposing corrupt cops. I just want to know why.

 

[Dude653]

Mmmm humm same thing with people who drive drunk, hit someone and have famous wives.... Sorry, had to say it.

That was a nice red herring

 

[EndQualifiedImmunity]

Nor do you. You've got a story about one cop. Or are you trying to say the majority of them are drunks?

Of course I don't have the data... For this reason I won't give ignorant and arbitrary figures as to how many of them are good verses corrupt. Instead, I posted a story of one instance... yet you want to conflate it with ALL cops that play basketball with kids for some unknown reason.

I didn't ask for a dictionary meaning, I asked why you used the term.

And I answered after I defined it. Reread.

This is a discussion forum, people bring thoughts and opinions to threads. If you can't handle that, discussion forums are not for you. Sometimes we will agree strongly, sometimes disagree.

I can handle it. I'm just challenging you on why you took exception and wanted to make this about ALL cops as opposed to just the corrupt ones in this video. I also want to know why you think holding corrupt cops accountable is ONLY bullying only some of the time but not when it comes to the sweetheart deal Nancy Pelosi's husband got for his DUI.

I think your name makes your POV clear on cops. Hold the guilty accountable, don't act like they are the majority.

So posting a video of clear-cut corrupt cops is "acting" like the majority of cops are corrupt? It's your game to make statements with no data to back up your claim in reference to what percentage of cops are good versus corrupt. That's a discussion that should be had on it's own, not conflating it into this scenario where everyone would hopefully condemn the actions of these police officers in this video.

You supposedly want cops who break the law to be held accountable but then take exception when there is a video exposing them... something doesn't add up.

 

[EndQualifiedImmunity]

If we are honest we do have a serious problem in America. We have an elite class that get away with what ever they do.
We also have a problem of the police protecting their own even when its an egregious offense. And to say it's just a few is not an excuse. We entrust the folks with far too much power to shrug our shoulders at a few bad apples. Ya ever heard one bad apple can spoil the bunch?
I understand the fraternal concept but those fraternities should hold each other to the highest standards. Not cover for each other in particularly heinous behaviors. All the officers involved in that situation should be fired and their licenses to be a police officer revoked permanently.
A mistake can be over looked because all are human. But when it comes to putting the public at large in danger. It really must be met with severe repercussions. Especially if you are a public official or social elite.

You're 100% correct! Be it 1% of the cops or 99% of the cops, whichever ones are breaking the law need to be exposed.

I'll also expand and say that there are many "good cops" who choose to let bad cops continue being bad cops because of the culture of protecting them. This is why people call them the "Blue Line Gang". That is exactly how gang members act... protect their own when they are caught breaking the law. The only difference is that the Blue Line Gang have badges and guns and ought to be held to a higher standard.

We need to target not just the bad cops who clearly break the law, but the "good ones" who stand by and let it happen. Cops swear an oath to uphold the constitution. They are "law enforcement" officers... This means they cannot stay silent when crimes are committed by their fellow officers.

“The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.” - Plato

Interesting how Plato's quote is still relevant 2,400+ years later.

 

[kaylagrl]

And you don't think exposing corrupt cops is "holding them accountable"? Once again, why did you take exception to the video?

You've started two threads that are anti- police. And when I say acknowledge those who do a good job, root out the bad, you say I have no proof there are good cops. That's a biased statement if I've ever heard one.

 

[kaylagrl]

It's actually a fact that you're moving the goal post. You even brought up Nancy Pelosi's drunk husband getting a sweetheart deal after the police investigators and the DA colluded.

No, what's a fact is you have an agenda that you are pushing here. And when someone has a different opinion you don't want to discuss it. It doesn't work that way here.

 

[kaylagrl]

That was a nice red herring

Have you ever had red herring? I don't think I have had herring at all. I bet it's delicious, especially the red ones.

 

[EndQualifiedImmunity]

You've started two threads that are anti- police. And when I say acknowledge those who do a good job, root out the bad, you say I have no proof there are good cops. That's a biased statement if I've ever heard one.

Correction... I have made two threads that are anti-corrupt police and pro holding corrupt police officers accountable which is something you're supposedly in agreeance with me. I think you just showed your hand that you're truly NOT for holding corrupt police officers accountable... To you, holding the corrupt police officers accountable is being "anti-police".

 

[Dude653]

I think there are two types of people who become police officers.
1. The person who genuinely wants to help people and serve his community
2. The authoritarian sociopath who needs a badge to hide behind

 

[EndQualifiedImmunity]

No, what's a fact is you have an agenda that you are pushing here. And when someone has a different opinion you don't want to discuss it. It doesn't work that way here.

I absolutely want to discuss it. You just don't like that I've called you out on your double-speak...

Kayla: I believe in holding corrupt police officers accountable.

Also Kayla: You're picking on police officers by showing anti-police videos of corrupt cops breaking the law and their fellow police officers doing their best to cover it up.

 

[kaylagrl]

Of course I don't have the data... For this reason I won't give ignorant and arbitrary figures as to how many of them are good verses corrupt. Instead, I posted a story of one instance... yet you want to conflate it with ALL cops that play basketball with kids for some unknown reason.

No, you do know and you don't like the reason. Again, this is a discussion forum, that's what we do here.

I can handle it. I'm just challenging you

Good so let me challenge you. Were you as upset when BLM was chanting "pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon"? Do you still believe "hands up don't shoot"? Were you as upset when Kapernick was wearing cop pig socks and still allowed to play football? Do you stick up for police when someone says to you "ACAB"?? Were you behind defunding the police?! If not, then we have no issue and agree bad cops should be rooted out and punished.

So posting a video of clear-cut corrupt cops is "acting" like the majority of cops are corrupt?

You deny the majority of cops are good! lol When I said it you dogged me out that I had no proof. smh

no data to back up your claim in reference to what percentage of cops are good versus corrupt.

Nor do you. Or how many politicians are corrupt, or teachers, preachers, coaches.

...

where everyone would hopefully condemn the actions of these police officers in this video.

And everyone has...

 

[Dino246]

I have watched many "accountability" videos, including the one in the OP (prior to seeing it here). If there is one thing I have learned from all those videos, it's that there is a terrible culture of entitlement and misguided assumption of authority among police that is not backed up by statute. The utter rejection of people's Constitutional rights for (both in the US and elsewhere) is appalling. Frankly, I think that
officers who abuse their position should be held to the same standard they hold suspected criminals: guilty until proven innocent. No "paid administrative leave", no "reassignment pending investigation", no quiet cover-ups by the "thin blue line".

However, I also have friends who are or were police officers. There are many good officers who fulfill their responsibilities with humility and integrity. I won't speculate on which is the majority.

Policing, like much of our culture, is broken. It isn't going to be fixed by bashing and decrying, but if police officers knew they would lose their jobs, be sued personally, or be jailed if they abuse their authority, they might rethink how they treat people when on the job, or in the case of the OP, how they act when off the job.

On a related note, any system that uses quotas (or any form of incentive) for certain offenses is abuse looking for a place to happen. Power corrupts.

 

[EndQualifiedImmunity]

You've started two threads that are anti- police. And when I say acknowledge those who do a good job, root out the bad, you say I have no proof there are good cops. That's a biased statement if I've ever heard one.

You're being blatantly dishonest with what I've said. I never said "you have no proof there are good cops". I said you gave an arbitrary figure of other cops doing good deeds to counter the video exposing the actions of this corrupt cop. You DON'T have any real proof of the ratio of good to bad cops. In your opinion it's "thousands" of good cops to one bad cop. Rather than acknowledge the corruption by all the officers in the video, you instead tried to defend his actions by bringing up "thousands" of good cops who are doing x, y and z.

If you post a video of a police officer playing basketball with a kid, I promise I will acknowledge his good deed. However, this video is not about a police officer playing basketball with a kid, thus, there is NOTHING to acknowledge as being "good" pertaining to these police officers' actions in the video.

 

[kaylagrl]

I'll also expand and say that there are many "good cops" who choose to let bad cops continue being bad cops because of the culture of protecting them.

And where is your proof to back up that statement?!

This is why people call them the "Blue Line Gang". That is exactly how gang members act... protect their own when they are caught breaking the law. The only difference is that the Blue Line Gang have badges and guns and ought to be held to a higher standard.

Again you're making blankets statements with no proof or stats backing you up. I have never heard "blue line gang" until you said it. People say, is not proof. smh You want others to show proof of their statements, but you don't do it yourself.smh

 

[kaylagrl]

You're being blatantly dishonest with what I've said. I never said "you have no proof there are good cops". I said you gave an arbitrary figure of other cops doing good deeds to counter the video exposing the actions of this corrupt cop. You DON'T have any real proof of the ratio of good to bad cops

And for the umpteenth time, neither do you!!

. In your opinion it's "thousands" of good cops to one bad cop

I said the majority of cops do their jobs and aren't corrupt, prove me wrong.

. you instead tried to defend his actions

What does " root out the bad, hold them accountable" mean?!

 

[kaylagrl]

I have watched many "accountability" videos, including the one in the OP (prior to seeing it here). If there is one thing I have learned from all those videos, it's that there is a terrible culture of entitlement and misguided assumption of authority among police that is not backed up by statute. The utter rejection of people's Constitutional rights for (both in the US and elsewhere) is appalling. Frankly, I think that
officers who abuse their position should be held to the same standard they hold suspected criminals: guilty until proven innocent. No "paid administrative leave", no "reassignment pending investigation", no quiet cover-ups by the "thin blue line".

However, I also have friends who are or were police officers. There are many good officers who fulfill their responsibilities with humility and integrity. I won't speculate on which is the majority.

Policing, like much of our culture, is broken. It isn't going to be fixed by bashing and decrying, but if police officers knew they would lose their jobs, be sued personally, or be jailed if they abuse their authority, they might rethink how they treat people when on the job, or in the case of the OP, how they act when off the job.

On a related note, any system that uses quotas (or any form of incentive) for certain offenses is abuse looking for a place to happen. Power corrupts.

Well brother you know we almost always agree. And you know me well enough to know I believe in accountability. But here's the issue state side. We allowed BLM to march down our streets screaming "what to we want? dead cops" and " pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon". And no one was held accountable, even though those women who were founders now have a mansion and the rest of the money they raised is missing. People are still telling the lie of "hands up, don't shoot". We had the "summer of love" where cops were beaten with frozen water bottles and had batteries and everything else they could get hold of thrown at them. For that the VP pleaded their cases to get out of jail and they were out the next night. They murdered a retired cop in cold blood and he literally died live on FB, imagine if that was your spouse. Then they screamed that cops should all be defunded. The only time this country wanted to be on the cops side was Jan 6. We can't get cops to stay here. They are leaving by the droves. In the city next to me they are 90 cops short, 90!! What do you think that does for crime in a city?? If we really wanted "good" cops in this country we'd pay them what Kapernick gets for every blasted Nike commercial, instead of the pittance they get for putting their lives on the line every single day. My husband was looking into it when he was between jobs and I told him "don't even think of it"! So again, respect the majority who do the right thing, and root out the ones who don't.