Is The Earth Flat Or Round?

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Is The Earth Flat Or Round?


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GaryA

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I once breathed helium. I got a large plastic trash bag and filled the bag with helium. I placed the bag over my dead down to my shoulders.
When I tried to speak, I made a high-toned squeaking sound. Two (2) minutes later I was dead.
I promise you; I will never do that again.
:)-
And then you were resuscitated? :confused: :cautious: :unsure:
 

GaryA

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So you believe globalist scientists over the Word of God?

Research while the info is available.

BTW - what holds an entire fluid ocean miles deep and trillions of tons in weight to a globe earth spinning thru space?

If you answer gravity - you passed the mind control exam.

However there is zero scientific evidence that can keep that fluid ocean on a round globe earth spinning thru space.

Except of course using CGI, Hollywood and Globalist Think Tank.
Have you seen this thread?

https://christianchat.com/conspiracy-corruption-discussion-forum/ball-earth-conundrums.198359/
 

Cameron143

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How do you know that most of that stuff isn't simply "made up"...???

How much of it can you actually prove to yourself by way of your own personal scientific experimentation?

What reason do you have to believe it other than because you trust them enough to accept whatever they say as being true?
One reason is that many scientists were either ostracized, shunned, and threatened for their scientific discovery. Another is that these scientists came long before globalists were ever mentioned. It's hard to have a conspiracy if you don't exist.
And they also correctly identified things before they were known to exist.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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We have circumnavigated the globe...
Do you really believe that all the aviators in the world are involved in a conspiracy to deceive us?
Right! The ridiculous scale of deception we are being asked to believe by flatties.


All the airline, private & military pilots who have ever lived are pretending to use spherical navigation. There are now hundreds
of flights per day but they are all using a secret flat navigation system.

All the satellites are fake. All the images ever taken by every space agency in the world have always been faked and no one came
forward to tell the truth.

Every aerospace engineer, astronaut and all aerospace technicians & administrators at every level in every country have always
covered up the truth.

All seafarers for over 400 years have lied about navigation. No sailor, captian or navigator has ever come forward with the "truth".

Every military on the planet has cooperated in a massive cover-up of the true shape of the earth.

All cartographers, geographic surveyors. oceanographers and explorers have lied about what they found and drawn fake maps
based on false information.

All maps, navigational charts and satellites are cunningly devised with spherical measurements, yet still work on a flat earth!
And everyone is keeping it a secret.

All telescopes at every level from James webb & Hubble to entry-level home telescopes have been engineered to return fake
images of spherical planets.

Everyone in every field of science, everywhere have been scammers keeping the shape of the earth a secret. For generations.
 
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I take it that you at least see a possibility of the world being a globe shape? And from the range of possibilities you find the flat earth model more compelling?

In the weighing of possible interpretations, sometimes it isn't that we find one model more compelling than the rest but rather that a different model is distinctly uncompelling (or compellingly untrue) because of some association. An example: if we know that someone tells lies all of the time in a consistent manner, we might feel that what they say is compellingly not the case due to how we are characterizing the source of the information. The villagers eventually considered the boy who cried wolf to be reliably untrue and therefore were compelled to reject the boy's claims.

If you accept a flat earth model, is it because you find it compelling true compared to the alternatives or is it because you find the globe model compellingly untrue?



The model suggests that while spinning and orbits allow for a centrifugal effect of sorts that maintains distance (e.g. the observation is that the moon is currently slowly moving away from earth at inches per year), that masses would still be pulled toward each other. "Down" would simply be the direction of the greater gravitational pull. On earth, "down" would always be toward the core of the globe. The pull of gravity is greatly affected (diminished) by distance. With a precise enough scale, if you weigh something at sea level and then again at the top of the highest mountains, the weight of the object decreases at the mountain tops.

At specific temperatures and pressures, things will "mix" despite having different densities. Air will sink down closer to the core and displace a helium balloon (causing the balloon to float upward). Over time, the helium and air leak through the mylar balloon and the helium concentration in the balloon will decrease. Eventually the balloon will fall back down because the contents of the balloon has changed. Given enough time, all of the helium and air will leak through to the point of equilibrium and the balloon will be completely filled with air (if it hasn't simply deflated first). It is the weight of the mylar itself that will eventually cause a balloon to come back down. I don't think a helium balloon has much bearing on the flat earth "downward pull" model vs. the modern model of gravity. That has more to do with fluid dynamics.

I think it can be a reasonably held position that the media states many untruths (beyond just jokes about weathermen and meterology), and therefore it follows that what they say should be considered with a grain of salt. But we still have to come back to sifting through which observations we deem reliable vs unreliable, and from there we can test those observations against our models to see whether our models are consistent with all of the reliable observations.

I see some comments you've made about the horizon and not theoretically being able to see mountains certain distances from each other. I'm not familiar with this premise. Are you able to explain?
Praise God Brother and thank you for your response.

i was raised and educated, as all of us, on the belief of a spinning globe model of earth.
i never questioned it, even after coming to Christ and being truly Born Again and later filled with the Holy Spirit.
Distinctly arguing against a flat earth, as a son of God, and never questioning the status quo which is mandated everywhere.

It is important to note that it is indeed a mandate to believe a globe earth if you want a education, to be promoted and accepted in almost all aspects of society AND we see the effect of this here, right now, on this very platform.

Factual verifiable science (which i love) is what has spurned me to question that which is mandated by the controlling (satanists) elite of this world.

Please allow me to once again state that in no way is this an issue of Righteous Standing before our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ.
We will all be surprised and shocked as to how much God reveals to us when we leave this earth.
So, even though we are under delusion in many ways except that which the LORD reveals to us, it is the GOSPEL of God which saves us = no matter our background, heritage, education, wealth or poverty, health or weakness, Jew or Gentile, male or female.

We most certainly can be on a globe earth spinning thru space.
At my current inspection of physical Laws which govern on this earth as created by the LORD, it presently appeals to me from this perspective to at least question a globe spinning thru space and the absolute need for a invisible, unmeasurable 'theory of gravity' that holds all things together.

i believe true undefiled science would have it no other way but to mandate truth and accountability in measurements, laws and factual statements that can be verified without threat of imprisonment, financial ruin, with public and private alienation.
"An unjust balance is an abomination to the Lord" -
Are there yet the treasures of wickedness
In the house of the wicked,
And the short measure that is an abomination?
Shall I count pure those with the wicked scales,
And with the bag of deceitful weights?
For her rich men are full of violence,
Her inhabitants have spoken lies,
And their tongue is deceitful in their mouth.

i have pain in my hands so - break time
 

Moses_Young

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Right! The ridiculous scale of deception we are being asked to believe by flatties.


All the airline, private & military pilots who have ever lived are pretending to use spherical navigation. There are now hundreds
of flights per day but they are all using a secret flat navigation system.

All the satellites are fake. All the images ever taken by every space agency in the world have always been faked and no one came
forward to tell the truth.

Every aerospace engineer, astronaut and all aerospace technicians & administrators at every level in every country have always
covered up the truth.

All seafarers for over 400 years have lied about navigation. No sailor, captian or navigator has ever come forward with the "truth".

Every military on the planet has cooperated in a massive cover-up of the true shape of the earth.

All cartographers, geographic surveyors. oceanographers and explorers have lied about what they found and drawn fake maps
based on false information.

All maps, navigational charts and satellites are cunningly devised with spherical measurements, yet still work on a flat earth!
And everyone is keeping it a secret.

All telescopes at every level from James webb & Hubble to entry-level home telescopes have been engineered to return fake
images of spherical planets.

Everyone in every field of science, everywhere have been scammers keeping the shape of the earth a secret. For generations.
Not everyone needs to be complicit. 90% or so of people are just stupid - not necessarily unskillful, but unskillful where it comes to independent thinking and in the use of the sciences. If the scamdemic taught us anything, it is this. Some of the most renowned doctors, scientists etc. fell for the covid scam and took the fateful jab. So much for their "science" education when their lives were on the line.

Of the 10% of people who remain (i.e. those who are appropriately capable of independent, scientific thought), many are just busy. They are too caught up in their own narrow science or field to understand that the sciences together support a Flat Earth. The best evidence of ball-Earth is the faked photos provided by NASA. When people realise the NASA organisation has never provided anything honest in relation to the moon, the sun, the Earth, the planets etc., the ball-Earth theory is critically weakened, and they will better realise the direction their own sciences or fields are pointing them.

The 90% of people unable to conduct independent, scientific thought will just follow the 10%, when the fraud of ball-Earth becomes apparent to the majority of the thinkers.
 

Dino246

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Wow - this sound really familiar... :D

(It reminds me of Ball Earthers who desire to "shoot down" the Flat Earth model - while refusing to even try to understand it first to any reasonable degree.)
I have no need to "shoot down" the FE model. I have proven that a certain FE model is impossible, and haven't seen any others to replace it. ;)
 

Dino246

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Here you go Brother, take a crack at it:

It is correct in that the helium causes lift because it is lighter then the air.

The balloon returns (falls) back to earth when the helium escapes the balloon.

Please provide evidence of exactly what technology/science is in use/application whereby the theory of gravity is negated in the helium balloon.
You are ignoring my response and repeating your bleating.

Helium balloons DO NOT NEGATE the theory of gravity.

How many times do I need to write it before you understand it?
 

Ted01

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Not everyone needs to be complicit. 90% or so of people are just stupid - not necessarily unskillful, but unskillful where it comes to independent thinking and in the use of the sciences. If the scamdemic taught us anything, it is this. Some of the most renowned doctors, scientists etc. fell for the covid scam and took the fateful jab. So much for their "science" education when their lives were on the line.

Of the 10% of people who remain (i.e. those who are appropriately capable of independent, scientific thought), many are just busy. They are too caught up in their own narrow science or field to understand that the sciences together support a Flat Earth. The best evidence of ball-Earth is the faked photos provided by NASA. When people realise the NASA organisation has never provided anything honest in relation to the moon, the sun, the Earth, the planets etc., the ball-Earth theory is critically weakened, and they will better realise the direction their own sciences or fields are pointing them.

The 90% of people unable to conduct independent, scientific thought will just follow the 10%, when the fraud of ball-Earth becomes apparent to the majority of the thinkers.
I appreciate it when people have diverse views... it expends my thinking in certain ways.
But I'm very curious when my thinking is so very different than another's, that I want to explore more.

Are you suggesting that 100% of the people that have navigated the airspace and waterways around
the Arctic & Antarctic are all deceiving us?

With so many private and commercial entities out there whaling, fishing, exploring, and whatever... it just
seems inconceivable to me that no FE proponents have come back from those areas with hard evidence
that clearly shows the edges/walls of this world.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Here you go Brother, take a crack at it:

It is correct in that the helium causes lift because it is lighter then the air.

The balloon returns (falls) back to earth when the helium escapes the balloon.

Please provide evidence of exactly what technology/science is in use/application whereby the theory of gravity is negated in the helium balloon.

Any mass that falls to the ground when dropped is 100% purely due to the fact that it is heavier/density then the air underneath/surrounding it - Period.

Claiming gravity exists is not scientific observable evidence.

The weight of the balloon rising thru the air due to the helium inside and then later falling thru the air back to ground (due to helium escaping) is observable proven science.

PS - Some have claimed the 'theory of gravity' is a proven law to which the Holy Spirit says: "no lie is of the truth" = 1 John 2:21`

So gravity disproves the existence of gravity. Brilliant. (y)

For your next stunt perhaps you could explain the magnetic field.
 
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I appreciate it when people have diverse views... it expends my thinking in certain ways.
But I'm very curious when my thinking is so very different than another's, that I want to explore more.

Are you suggesting that 100% of the people that have navigated the airspace and waterways around
the Arctic & Antarctic are all deceiving us?

With so many private and commercial entities out there whaling, fishing, exploring, and whatever... it just
seems inconceivable to me that no FE proponents have come back from those areas with hard evidence
that clearly shows the edges/walls of this world.
No one is permitted to navigate around or across Anartica except by permission and then they are strictly ordered what specific routes they are to take.

Any plane flying over Anartica without permission will be either escorted away or shot down.

Unless they have already removed the facts from the internet, i suggest you quickly start digging.

Peace to you today in the Way which Shed His Blood for you

and remember these words of Truth and Life = "the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one"
 
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So gravity disproves the existence of gravity. Brilliant. (y)

For your next stunt perhaps you could explain the magnetic field.
This is hilarious, to which i thank you my beloved Sister in Christ (we are going to have some great laughs together when we meet in Glory).

Please provide the scientific evidence that demonstrates how the helium balloon negated the 'theory of gravity'.
 
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To your shame, you seem to be proud of your ignorance.
If you're unable to give a truthful scientific reason on how the helium balloon escapes/negates the theory of gravity, how in the globe world can you understand the Law governing water refuses to keep a trillion plus ton fluid ocean from spilling out as the globe spins and turns upside down.

LAW governing water is 24/7 everywhere on earth.

OR = You can believe God at His Word = "HE sets the boundaries of the oceans"

When He assigned to the sea its limit, So that the waters would not transgress His command, When He marked out the foundations of the earth,