Faith does indeed come by hearing the word of God.
Where in Scripture does it say that faith ONLY comes by hearing the word of God?
Your condescending comments only reflect on you.
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Where in Scripture does it say that faith ONLY comes by hearing the word of God?
Again, scripture is equated to God's word spoken to Abraham.
Galatians 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
The issue was focused on "Scripture" -- the written Word of God. That came into existence around 1500 BC. So from about 4000 BC to 1500 BC faith came BEFORE Scripture.
And the man Jesus Christ, God's own Son = the Living Word of God
Amen. John 1:1. Hmmmmm....I wonder if you have that verse hanging around somewhere?And the man Jesus Christ, God's own Son = the Living Word of God
I honestly that this thread would be about the chicken and the egg.
Which one do you believe came first, "Faith Alone" or "Scripture Alone"?And the man Jesus Christ, God's own Son = the Living Word of God
Clearly, in the context of the phrase, "Sola Scriptura", Scripture means the written word, so please stop playing semantics.
Which does your meme show came first, "Faith Alone" or "Scripture Alone"?
John 1:1
2022-06-04 was the start date for it
Probably finished it the same day 
The tri-fold border/frame and tri-fold window are both by design to point to the Trinity
No pun intended
Pun received!2022-06-04 was the start date for it
The tri-fold border/frame and tri-fold window are both by design to point to the Trinity
No pun intended
The word of God must come first or there is nothing to believe. But the thread is a little unorthodox and lends itself to some confusion.
Sometimes people are just different from us in experience and nature. As Christians we should always be ready to make accommodation for those who are different. Embrace the unity in Christ and the diversity of its expression.
Sometimes people are just different from us in experience and nature. As Christians we should always be ready to make accommodation for those who are different. Embrace the unity in Christ and the diversity of its expression.
Abram did not have the word of God instructing him? Have you read scripture?
But he did hear words from God otherwise how would he have known to take his son up a mountain to offer him as a sacrifice?
"(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )" - Rom 2:13-15 KJV
This depends on how "Gentile" is being defined here. If we see Adam, Job, and Abram as Gentiles, and everyone else before the Abrahamic covenant, it is clearly the case that law has always been written in hearts. And by that an unmanifested form of scripture has been there since the first moment. But part of that law is to faith. You can take the position that neither "faith alone" nor "scripture alone" preceded the other.
Not to be a heretic in the "First Church of the Optional Poll" here, but I think that if the question is about Luther's "faith alone" and "scripture alone" that your poll is taking it out of context. They are apples and oranges.
Between scripture and built up doctrine, we should be able to find the answer in scripture alone. Between faith and works, salvation comes through faith alone. There is no competion between "faith alone" and "scripture alone."
You can agrue against sola scriptura and faith alone, but at least recognize that they are not competing concepts.
If you were to ask instead whether faith existed first, or whether the current Biblical canon in a written form existed first, it is compellingy the case that faith came first.
This depends on how "Gentile" is being defined here. If we see Adam, Job, and Abram as Gentiles, and everyone else before the Abrahamic covenant, it is clearly the case that law has always been written in hearts. And by that an unmanifested form of scripture has been there since the first moment. But part of that law is to faith. You can take the position that neither "faith alone" nor "scripture alone" preceded the other.
Not to be a heretic in the "First Church of the Optional Poll" here, but I think that if the question is about Luther's "faith alone" and "scripture alone" that your poll is taking it out of context. They are apples and oranges.
Between scripture and built up doctrine, we should be able to find the answer in scripture alone. Between faith and works, salvation comes through faith alone. There is no competion between "faith alone" and "scripture alone."
You can agrue against sola scriptura and faith alone, but at least recognize that they are not competing concepts.
If you were to ask instead whether faith existed first, or whether the current Biblical canon in a written form existed first, it is compellingy the case that faith came first.
You still don't get it. It was Jesus who appeared as "the Word of God" or "the Word of the LORD" to Abraham!
Now notice this very carefully: After these things the Word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward... And, behold, the Word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. (Gen 15:1,4)
The Word of the LORD is clearly a person in these two verses. And He presents Himself as GOD. Since no man has seen God the Father at any time, it was the pre-incarnate Christ as "the Word of the LORD" who appeared to Abraham. And it was Jesus who said "Before Abraham was I AM".
There was no written Bible ("Scripture") for 2,500 years. "Scripture" means "sacred writings". So faith came first, just like the chicken came before the egg (when God created the birds).