Thou shalt not kill (yourself)part2

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JustinPorter27

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I think God would forgive people for committing suicide. When someone tries to commit suicide, they are trying to end the pain they are in, and do not realize that they don't have live the remainder of their life in the depression they are in and should of asked for help. It's important to pay attention to classic signs of depressions in friends and family members
 
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Chels09_

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First off it's not our place to make judgments on who is going to hell or not. In society people place actions on certain levels meaning a murderer is worse than a liar. Whereas in the eyes of god all sin is created equal. Personally based on what I've learned from the bible is that u repent after the sin is done. If you kill yourself how are you going to ask for forgiveness????
 
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LordsAussieRooGal

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INTERESTING TOPIC....Last weeks service was about Amazing Grace, we seen the real story of John Newton and he wrote the song AMAZING GRACE,Romans 10:13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be SAVED...Ephesians 4:7
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ..God gave us all choices, and even a murder can be saved if he repents and asks for forgiveness. AMEN
 
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LordsAussieRooGal

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AMEN Chels09 ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE, and as scripture says..Let the man with NO sin cast the first stone....
 
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Strong1

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I truly am not understanding some of your thoughts on this subject?..........To say that, committing suicide is not an unpardonable sin sounds absolutely insane to my spiritual thinking. It's actually an oxymoron. With a genuine heart we confess our sins, and God mercifully, forgives. Is there repentance in the grave?
How is that fact not obvious to all who accept and know God's word?.....If a murderer does not receive, God's forgiveness, it's because he refuses to accept it, not that God would not forgive. In the same way, God wants to forgive a suicidal thinker, however forgiveness cannot be achieved within the grave..therefore being "unpardonable" Not because, God won't, but because he must keep his word, and there is no repentance after your dead.
So please. Don't gamble with that thought, that you can commit suicide and still go to heaven. Our entrance into heaven is incumbent on our living. You exempt yourself if you take your own life. Murder and suicide are equivalent sins, (as with all sin) It's just simple that the requirement is to ask forgiveness when we do, and you can't if you take your own life, therefore leaving your own self unforgiven. That really has nothing to do with God's love, But in your sinful state, how can one see a Holy God?
 
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needmesomejesus

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The only sin that is unforgivable is never accepting Christ.- Mark 3
Think about all the people of the Bible who have killed themselves. There are 7 to be exact :
Abimelech- Judges 0
Samson- Judges 16
Saul- 1 Samuel 31
Sauls intern- 1 Samuel 31
Judas
and two people who went against DAvid

I'd have a hard time believing Saul or Samson went to hell.
Paul even thought about suicide in Philippians 1:21-26
Just for history sake the doctrine about committing suicide sending someone straight to hell started with the Black Plague. Being that it was such an awful thing to die from people would just kill themselves. The Catholic Church didn't like that so they made up the rule if you committed suicide you'd go straight to hell to prevent the suicides.
 
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Brigitte

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If you are a Child of God and commit suicide, you remain a Child of God. How misunderstood the Word of God is. It is sad. Thank God He keeps His promises and He is a just Judge. When He gives us eternal life, it is just that: eternal (never changing, never ending, for ever and ever and ever and ever .....). We are so condemning, He is so redeeming. The law given by Him, the 10 commandments were only to show us that we can never abide by it by ourselves. We need Him to be saved. We cannot, never, make it on our own. We are saved by grace, not by works, never by works. Works will never save us. This is why Jesus died on the cross, once it for all. If you think that by works we can condemn ourselves and by works we can save ourselves, then Jesus died on the cross for nothing. It is Christ that paid the price for our salvation. By accepting the price He paid for us, He gives us in exchange eternal life, not temporary salvation but eternal salvation. I am so glad He is my judge and redeemer. He is the only one who truly loves me, who truly is faithful to me. Nobody else can equal Him. In His hands only I am safe, for ever and ever.

Lord, help us to see others as you see them, to love others as you love them. You are the only true love and you only can know our heart. In Jesus' name. Amen!
 
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dmdave17

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A very interesting discussion. While I find myself swayed by the "God is sovereign" argument, I still wonder about the circumstances of suicide. Scripture tells us that, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9) However, we are also warned that, "...And if someone who is wicked repents, that person’s former wickedness will not bring condemnation. The righteous person who sins will not be allowed to live even though they were formerly righteous." (Ezekiel 33:12)

It seems to me that it would be somewhat risky to have the last act you committed on this earth be a sin of which you could not repent.
 
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Lad

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God actually very clearly defines 'murder' in his torah. Its simply premeditated, wilfull and motivatedly killing someone else. I think suicide is different because its not really a sin, most people commit suicide because of a broken heart or depression etc its a very sad happening, so Im pretty sure our merciful God who died for ALL sins (even the non-confessed) would save a christian who kills themself.
 

Adrianv125

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John 15

1 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

Galatians 5:22-23

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

Matthew 7:21-23

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’



First, only those who are truly His children will see the kingdom of God. He knows who they are and has pointed them out to us through His word. To say you follow Christ is something radical. We didn't acquire salvation through works, but we acquired it solely by the sacrifice Jesus did on the cross. We were called into our salvation to bear fruit just like it says in the passage above, and Jesus clearly describes what happens to those who don't. To say you have believed in Jesus Christ as your saviour means you understand the price it took for you to be saved, you understand what separated you from Him (sin), and as pointed out in scripture, you understand that He is the standard to follow. He is our goal to be in this life. We can't do this on our own, that is why He sent His Holy Spirit to produce much fruit in us.

Now, the part about suicide. I will not get into the argument if you go to hell or not or if it is unforgivable etc etc. However, any person who truly knows the promises of God, who understands what is waiting for that person in eternity with Him, despite their circumstances, they should be able to give glory to God in any situation that they are in and really hesitate to suicide. Because if we had scripture in our hearts we would remember this:

Romans 8:28

28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.

Whatever the person's circumstances may be, aren't we living on this earth so that God could do His will in our lives?

Job 2:10

10 But he said to her, “You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God, and shall we not accept adversity?” In all this Job did not sin with his lips.

Romans 8:29

29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren

We are called to be conformed in the image of His son. And let me remind you something about Him. The adversity that Jesus Christ faced was unfathomable, the circumstances that He lived in, the heartbreak the true Son of God went through we would never really understand. But guess what, He was willing to go through it for all of humanity. He knew He would suffer, He knew it wouldn't be easy, He knew that those He came to save would reject Him, and He was in agony but in full obedience to the Father when He was on that cross. But guess what, He knew that He would rise from the dead. And guess what? If you have truly believed in Christ, then you also know that this life is a vapor compared to eternity. And if you truly believed that there would be no suffering, but everlasting peace and joy and that you truly will be with Him, then why end the life that God has called you to live in so that you could bear much fruit in Him, be conformed to His image, and give Him the glory in any situation?
 
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Lad

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John 15

1 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

Galatians 5:22-23

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

Matthew 7:21-23

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’



First, only those who are truly His children will see the kingdom of God. He knows who they are and has pointed them out to us through His word. To say you follow Christ is something radical. We didn't acquire salvation through works, but we acquired it solely by the sacrifice Jesus did on the cross. We were called into our salvation to bear fruit just like it says in the passage above, and Jesus clearly describes what happens to those who don't. To say you have believed in Jesus Christ as your saviour means you understand the price it took for you to be saved, you understand what separated you from Him (sin), and as pointed out in scripture, you understand that He is the standard to follow. He is our goal to be in this life. We can't do this on our own, that is why He sent His Holy Spirit to produce much fruit in us.

Now, the part about suicide. I will not get into the argument if you go to hell or not or if it is unforgivable etc etc. However, any person who truly knows the promises of God, who understands what is waiting for that person in eternity with Him, despite their circumstances, they should be able to give glory to God in any situation that they are in and really hesitate to suicide. Because if we had scripture in our hearts we would remember this:

Romans 8:28

28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.

Whatever the person's circumstances may be, aren't we living on this earth so that God could do His will in our lives?

Job 2:10

10 But he said to her, “You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God, and shall we not accept adversity?” In all this Job did not sin with his lips.

Romans 8:29

29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren

We are called to be conformed in the image of His son. And let me remind you something about Him. The adversity that Jesus Christ faced was unfathomable, the circumstances that He lived in, the heartbreak the true Son of God went through we would never really understand. But guess what, He was willing to go through it for all of humanity. He knew He would suffer, He knew it wouldn't be easy, He knew that those He came to save would reject Him, and He was in agony but in full obedience to the Father when He was on that cross. But guess what, He knew that He would rise from the dead. And guess what? If you have truly believed in Christ, then you also know that this life is a vapor compared to eternity. And if you truly believed that there would be no suffering, but everlasting peace and joy and that you truly will be with Him, then why end the life that God has called you to live in so that you could bear much fruit in Him, be conformed to His image, and give Him the glory in any situation?
As someone who was going to commit suicide I can say that I wouldve done it to escape the present suffering, worries, horror and sin of this world so that I could finally be holy, perfect, and ever happy in the next.
 

Adrianv125

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As someone who was going to commit suicide I can say that I wouldve done it to escape the present suffering, worries, horror and sin of this world so that I could finally be holy, perfect, and ever happy in the next.
Yes and Christ wanted to escape the horrors He was going to face also. He even asked the Father to let Him pass this cup, but still He asked for His will. Can you even imagine what it is like to carry the sins of all humanity on your own being? Yet just as Christ carried that burden for us unto death, and yes we are not Christ in order to do something like that or have the strength to overcome difficult situations in this life, we do have His holy Spirit living in us and His promise of everlasting life, so then we must patiently wait for Him or until the day He decides we must leave this body with our minds set to give Him the glory, despite we feel like dying we must persist through His strength, we can't do it on our own.
 

Kathleen

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No sin is ever unforgivable. If you say suicide is unforgivable then why did Jesus die for us in the first place? To forgive all but one sin?

I do believe that killing yourself is very selfish and self centered thinking, but I honestly believe that if you kill yourself, God would be disappointed in you, but you're not going to go to hell.
Yes, all sin is forgive but one, expressed in the bible. If you blasphamy against the Holy Spirit then you will not be forgiven.



To answer the original poster, it is called a Sin Unto Death. You wont go to hell. :)
 

Elizabeth619

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Ok first off its God's decision of who goes to Heaven or Hell. No one else. When someone kills them self they arep, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }no being selfish in fact from my training and experience its almost always there last way out. People who kill them selves are not right mentally. God knows all the circumstances and will judge them based off that. Do Not Limit What God Does When He Is In POWER!

Very good post!
I agree with you all the way.

Suicide is selfish and murder IS a sin, but God is a just God, and he will determine the persons heart.
 
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Killing yourself is like sinning right before you die. I believe you would go to hell because you killed someone. Loving your neighbor as yourself is important. The Bible says no man yet hated his own body but nuri****h and cheri****h it.

Well, we should analyze this.


Romans 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and
malice. They are gossips,
Romans 1:30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;

Leviticus 19:16 "'Do not go about spreading slander among your people. "'Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am the LORD. Proverbs 18:7 A fool's mouth is his undoing, and his lips are a snare to his soul. Proverbs 18:9 One who is slack in his work is brother to one who destroys. Proverbs 26:22 The words of a gossip are like choice morsels; they go down to a man's inmost parts.

Murder is a sin forsure, agreed? Idol worship too. What about gossip?

So, if right before I die I slander a co-worker then I have a sudden heart attack am I going to hell?

Do you think what Jesus did was that fragile? What a scary existance to live. Does this sound like the Freedom Jesus purchased for us on the Cross? Not to me.

Why pick on suicide? Why not a post about if we run a red light, (disobey the law) then right before we say "God forgive me" we suddenly die from food poisining are we in hell?

You probably also think all gays are repulsive and shouldn't serve in the military. What about the men and women living with others of the opposite sex while serving in the army who arent married? Shall they be not allowed to serve either?

Sin is sin is it not?
 
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Elizabeth619

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Well, we should analyze this.


Romans 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and
malice. They are gossips,
Romans 1:30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;

Leviticus 19:16 "'Do not go about spreading slander among your people. "'Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am the LORD. Proverbs 18:7 A fool's mouth is his undoing, and his lips are a snare to his soul. Proverbs 18:9 One who is slack in his work is brother to one who destroys. Proverbs 26:22 The words of a gossip are like choice morsels; they go down to a man's inmost parts.

Murder is a sin forsure, agreed? Idol worship too. What about gossip?

So, if right before I die I slander a co-worker then I have a sudden heart attack am I going to hell?

Do you think what Jesus did was that fragile? What a scary existance to live. Is this sound like the Freedom Jesus purchased for us on the Cross? Not to me.

You are slwoly proving yourself.

I am starting ot like you. Be warned!
 
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Sorry, I tried to edit the gays in the military comment I made and get it outta there but too late. It's way off topic and im assuming to much by assuming you think that. My bad. TRY to disregard it, unless im right, of course :D
 

Elizabeth619

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my work is done here. i am going to bed