Is The Earth Flat Or Round?
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The passage in the book of Joshua being used to contend for a flat earth theory is an example of not comprehending that scripture speaks in the 'language' of observation, meaning back then, people thought the sun was moving around the earth and the earth was fixed in its position....to encourage a belief in a flat earth using the observation or belief of people who lived thousands of years ago encourages both ignorance and superstition.
What I find interesting with regards to some of the posts in this thread, is that you will read posts from the flat earthers that God has 'laws' and He never changes them and things are always the same. Seems strange then for God to break His own laws, does it not?
I asked one of these posters what 'laws' they were referring to and never got an answer. What I got, was this same person twisting my words as if I had said I don't believe in laws.
Of course when you do not know what you are talking about, you have to bluff your way through a conversation and another tactic being used is telling people that if you believe anything NASA says, you are in league with the devil and need to repent. These comments can be found in prior pages of this thread in numerous places.
As for the sun standing still that flat earthers say that proves the sun moves and the earth does not, we know this is not true. Of course if you believe NASA or other proofs of the solar system are satanic deceptions then you will continue on in the error of a flat earth.
I really do not care about that. The concern is the attacks and the language being used by 2 of the flat earthers and the accusations that if you do not agree the earth is flat, then you are in league with the devil. This is more than ignorance. This is distain for believers in this forum that both believe Scripture and never consider God to be a liar; another false accusation by those who are mistaken in their beliefs. It seems normal discourse or discussion is beyond them and they use false words and name calling as 'proof' others here are devilish. I doubt non religious flat earthers would speak like that to others but here, for some reason, these 2 have left off any appearance of the ability to reason and just condemn rather than discuss.
Telling others that what we point out to them is actually what we are doing, is a juvenile tactic...much like some child might say it's not me it's you. We all can read and it is easy to prove who said what. We should not have to do that though, if people were reasonable and responded to posts without the references to demons and so on.
There are actually a good number of explanations for the events described in Joshua and that is because we now know the sun is stationary and the earth both rotates on its axis and travels around the sun...a journey which we know as one year...12 months or 365 days or 366 every 4 years.
The simplest explanation may be that things actually happened as described and God did in fact do as Joshua requested....but studying the events will incur questioning the time of day as it may have been actually night that was lengthened as Joshua and his troops arrived in the early morning at the camp of their enemies. You can find information on that by searching on google or whatever SE you use as there are literally some 54 million responses to that enquiry.
The earth is not flat and it is not sin or demonic to state that. Some of the arguments for a flat earth that have been presented here are more or less just saying 'shut up' and believe. Don't use the brain God gave you....just empty your mind and accept what we say.
I am of the opinion that actual hate has been displayed in some retorts from those who think the earth is flat. That is something they need to deal with and not the responsibility of others, unless they wish to submit that they have no control over what they say which, to them, means they are not capable of bearing responsibility for the less than civil responses here
I'll just wrap up by saying this; one thing is certain. The sun does not move; the earth does and that is established fact. If we established fact solely by what we see, we might believe it is the sun moving as the earth travels forward, causing it to seem it is the sun and not the earth.....we do not find anything about gravitation in scripture so some think that is also disputable.
What I find interesting with regards to some of the posts in this thread, is that you will read posts from the flat earthers that God has 'laws' and He never changes them and things are always the same. Seems strange then for God to break His own laws, does it not?
I asked one of these posters what 'laws' they were referring to and never got an answer. What I got, was this same person twisting my words as if I had said I don't believe in laws.
Of course when you do not know what you are talking about, you have to bluff your way through a conversation and another tactic being used is telling people that if you believe anything NASA says, you are in league with the devil and need to repent. These comments can be found in prior pages of this thread in numerous places.
As for the sun standing still that flat earthers say that proves the sun moves and the earth does not, we know this is not true. Of course if you believe NASA or other proofs of the solar system are satanic deceptions then you will continue on in the error of a flat earth.
I really do not care about that. The concern is the attacks and the language being used by 2 of the flat earthers and the accusations that if you do not agree the earth is flat, then you are in league with the devil. This is more than ignorance. This is distain for believers in this forum that both believe Scripture and never consider God to be a liar; another false accusation by those who are mistaken in their beliefs. It seems normal discourse or discussion is beyond them and they use false words and name calling as 'proof' others here are devilish. I doubt non religious flat earthers would speak like that to others but here, for some reason, these 2 have left off any appearance of the ability to reason and just condemn rather than discuss.
Telling others that what we point out to them is actually what we are doing, is a juvenile tactic...much like some child might say it's not me it's you. We all can read and it is easy to prove who said what. We should not have to do that though, if people were reasonable and responded to posts without the references to demons and so on.
There are actually a good number of explanations for the events described in Joshua and that is because we now know the sun is stationary and the earth both rotates on its axis and travels around the sun...a journey which we know as one year...12 months or 365 days or 366 every 4 years.
The simplest explanation may be that things actually happened as described and God did in fact do as Joshua requested....but studying the events will incur questioning the time of day as it may have been actually night that was lengthened as Joshua and his troops arrived in the early morning at the camp of their enemies. You can find information on that by searching on google or whatever SE you use as there are literally some 54 million responses to that enquiry.
The earth is not flat and it is not sin or demonic to state that. Some of the arguments for a flat earth that have been presented here are more or less just saying 'shut up' and believe. Don't use the brain God gave you....just empty your mind and accept what we say.
I am of the opinion that actual hate has been displayed in some retorts from those who think the earth is flat. That is something they need to deal with and not the responsibility of others, unless they wish to submit that they have no control over what they say which, to them, means they are not capable of bearing responsibility for the less than civil responses here
I'll just wrap up by saying this; one thing is certain. The sun does not move; the earth does and that is established fact. If we established fact solely by what we see, we might believe it is the sun moving as the earth travels forward, causing it to seem it is the sun and not the earth.....we do not find anything about gravitation in scripture so some think that is also disputable.
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Man's perspective, man's perspective!!! They shouted...
I believe you understand the serious implications of that cry?
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It IS a lie to claim that when someone says circle they really mean Sphere, especially when they also use the word for ball, that would be easily understood as a sphere.
Then yoy do we teach our kindergardeners about the shape of the earth?
That is about as simple minded as you can possibly get. But you imply that grown adults are to stupid to understand something told to them by God? You are hand waving this issue away and that is wrong.
Why are we taught about how planes work or lift, or the basics of any of these mathematics if we are all just to dumb to understand anything?
The Wright Brothers built the first functioning plane without higher education. Many of our greatest leaders have been school dropouts and that didn't hinder them.from being able to understand basic concepts, yet you claim that our ancestors were to dumb to realize the truth if it were told to them by God?
Then yoy do we teach our kindergardeners about the shape of the earth?
That is about as simple minded as you can possibly get. But you imply that grown adults are to stupid to understand something told to them by God? You are hand waving this issue away and that is wrong.
Why are we taught about how planes work or lift, or the basics of any of these mathematics if we are all just to dumb to understand anything?
The Wright Brothers built the first functioning plane without higher education. Many of our greatest leaders have been school dropouts and that didn't hinder them.from being able to understand basic concepts, yet you claim that our ancestors were to dumb to realize the truth if it were told to them by God?
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The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen,
being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.
Romans 1:18-20
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen,
being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.
Romans 1:18-20
That has nothing to do with tides. It has everything to do with the gravitational affect of the moon and also the sun.
And no, things heavier than air do not necessarily fall through it. Or have you not seen birds and aircraft, balloons and airships, kites and such? In space, nothing falls anywhere. That is because there is no gravity.
You should learn something about pressure. Or just learn something instead of parroting other people's deceptions as if they were facts.
And no, things heavier than air do not necessarily fall through it. Or have you not seen birds and aircraft, balloons and airships, kites and such? In space, nothing falls anywhere. That is because there is no gravity.
You should learn something about pressure. Or just learn something instead of parroting other people's deceptions as if they were facts.
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Sure. Let's discuss the shadows that are impossible on the flat Earth.
1) I don't think what we see in the picture(s) is necessarily accurate with regard to actual NSEW directions.
Now - if I personally stood on the Opera House deck with a trusted compass in my hand ... that might be worth something.
2) I don't totally trust the accuracy of Google with regard to 'true' reality.
3) [maybe later]
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I do not have a specific "answer" to the Opera House quandry - except that:
1) I don't think what we see in the picture(s) is necessarily accurate with regard to actual NSEW directions.
Now - if I personally stood on the Opera House deck with a trusted compass in my hand ... that might be worth something.
2) I don't totally trust the accuracy of Google with regard to 'true' reality.
3) [maybe later]
1) I don't think what we see in the picture(s) is necessarily accurate with regard to actual NSEW directions.
Now - if I personally stood on the Opera House deck with a trusted compass in my hand ... that might be worth something.
2) I don't totally trust the accuracy of Google with regard to 'true' reality.
3) [maybe later]
