Are there any who will admit they believe in the doctrine of Immortalization

[ResidentAlien]

This doctrine is especially prevalent in groups influenced by the Latter Rain movement and Manifested Sons of God theology. Probably the most high-profile of these groups are Word of Faith and the NAR, but it's increasingly finding its way into a lot of different arenas. I'm not saying everyone in the NAR or Word of Faith believes it; I'm just saying a lot of authors and online ministries connected to these groups teach and promote it.

I'm not talking about the instantaneous change and glorification believers will experience at the appearing of the Lord. The immortalization doctrine teaches that by living a life of holiness and submission to God we can attain a state of immortality here and now. I've noticed milder forms of this creeping in, such as the notion that we can are not sinners and the "little gods" doctrine.

There's a good article on the Latter Rain and Manifested Sons of God here: https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/latter_rain_and_manifest_sons_of_god.html

 

[Magenta]

Sounds like science fiction. Life ever after is attained only one way:

by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ

 

[Polar]

Itching ears

 

[cv5]

This doctrine is especially prevalent in groups influenced by the Latter Rain movement and Manifested Sons of God theology. Probably the most high-profile of these groups are Word of Faith and the NAR, but it's increasingly finding its way into a lot of different arenas. I'm not saying everyone in the NAR or Word of Faith believes it; I'm just saying a lot of authors and online ministries connected to these groups teach and promote it.

I'm not talking about the instantaneous change and glorification believers will experience at the appearing of the Lord. The immortalization doctrine teaches that by living a life of holiness and submission to God we can attain a state of immortality here and now. I've noticed milder forms of this creeping in, such as the notion that we can are not sinners and the "little gods" doctrine.

There's a good article on the Latter Rain and Manifested Sons of God here: https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/latter_rain_and_manifest_sons_of_god.html

2Co 4:16
For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

The only way to circumvent this is by being raptured before the fallen physical body inevitably deteiorates and dies IMO.

 

[Snacks]

Nope

 

[Blade]

I don't know any one that believes or teaches this " by living a life of holiness and submission to God we can attain a state of immortality here and now. "

Are we not right now living forever? That new man which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness born from above can not die . Never heard of this "doctrine".

 

[wattie]

This doctrine is especially prevalent in groups influenced by the Latter Rain movement and Manifested Sons of God theology. Probably the most high-profile of these groups are Word of Faith and the NAR, but it's increasingly finding its way into a lot of different arenas. I'm not saying everyone in the NAR or Word of Faith believes it; I'm just saying a lot of authors and online ministries connected to these groups teach and promote it.

I'm not talking about the instantaneous change and glorification believers will experience at the appearing of the Lord. The immortalization doctrine teaches that by living a life of holiness and submission to God we can attain a state of immortality here and now. I've noticed milder forms of this creeping in, such as the notion that we can are not sinners and the "little gods" doctrine.

There's a good article on the Latter Rain and Manifested Sons of God here: https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/latter_rain_and_manifest_sons_of_god.html

You can see the influence of this on cc. People who are professing Christians saying they do sin, but are not sinners.

I understand we are children of God... delivered from sin. But I believe a 'saint' has a local church they belong to and are consistently faithful.

Even then the Saint is still a sinner. If not in deed, in mind. That's being human.

But of course, that's where the NAR people would say actually we are gods.

They look at Jesus calling people 'ye are gods'

But it's taken out of its context of people being given authority to be judges or magistrates, who were called 'gods'.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Are we not right now living forever? That new man which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness born from above can not die .

Chapter and verse please.

 

[Magenta]

Chapter and verse please.

John 11:25-26

 

[ResidentAlien]

You can see the influence of this on cc. People who are professing Christians saying they do sin, but are not sinners.

I understand we are children of God... delivered from sin. But I believe a 'saint' has a local church they belong to and are consistently faithful.

Even then the Saint is still a sinner. If not in deed, in mind. That's being human.

But of course, that's where the NAR people would say actually we are gods.

They look at Jesus calling people 'ye are gods'

But it's taken out of its context of people being given authority to be judges or magistrates, who were called 'gods'.

I see it also in the idea that once saved you're always saved. A lot of people say when you're "born again" you undergo some kind of metamorphosis. A "born again" person will never fall away, never lose faith, never deny the Lord; they can't, in fact, because they're now some kind of spiritual superman or woman. To hear them talk, Jesus should be thankful to even know them.

 

[JonathanBentley]

I think this is a dumb attack on charismatics. No one believes we become immortal in the flesh. Just another rumor.

 

[wattie]

I see it also in the idea that once saved you're always saved. A lot of people say when you're "born again" you undergo some kind of metamorphosis. A "born again" person will never fall away, never lose faith, never deny the Lord; they can't, in fact, because they're now some kind of spiritual superman or woman. To hear them talk, Jesus should be thankful to even know them.

Well I believe in once saved always saved, but that fall away doesn't mean 'lose eternal life' and at times a believer does deny the Lord, does lose faith... but again that's not undoing eternal life given them... that's struggling with faith and sin.

My position on osas isn't calvinistic. I don't believe a saved person WILL be faithful, WILL do good works.

This is what God wants of course.. but He doesn't only save those He knows in advance WILL be faithful.

The calvinistic view of osas is works based. It's saying someone who is saved is eternally secure, but that person is definitely going to be faithful to the end.. WILL do good works.

This isn't biblical salvation.. which is anyone who entrusts their salvation with Jesus , will have eternal life. Regardless of whether after salvation they are continuingly faithful or not.

There will be fruit from the Holy Spirit saving an individual. That doesn't mean they will always be faithful.

 

[oyster67]

I do believe that the human soul is immortal. Immortality of the soul will be a curse for those that are not under the blood of Jesus when the end comes.

 

[tourist]

Never heard of this doctrine. Sounds new age.

 

[soberxp]

Interesting, but I don't know what's going on.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I do believe that the human soul is immortal. Immortality of the soul will be a curse for those that are not under the blood of Jesus when the end comes.

amen

“For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

immortality in Christ isn’t of this world and doesn’t happen in this body

We arent finished being made yet


“it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:44‬ ‭

The natural dies and the spirit lives

“As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:48-50‬ ‭

I think when we talk immortal some probably are talking about our flesh and blood rather than our spirit. Of course a spirit needs a spiritual world and home and not the one for flesh and blood

spirit is life we aren’t being remade for this world

 

[SomeDisciple]

I think restorationists are basically people who taught cessationism, but decided to change their mind, so they say it's a "new thing God is doing" to avoid saying they were wrong.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I think this is a dumb attack on charismatics. No one believes we become immortal in the flesh. Just another rumor.

Maybe you don't believe it; maybe people you know don't, or don't admit it. But to call it a rumor shows your ignorance of the history of the Charismatic movement. One of the movement's biggest idols, William Branham said:

"All right. Now, here is what I'm trying to say to you: the law of reproduction brings forth of its kind (Genesis 1:11). These last days, true church-bride comes to the headstone. Will be the super church; a super race as they near the great headstone. They will be so much like Him, they will be in His very image, in the order to be united with Him. They will be one. They will be the very manifestation of the Word of the living God. Denominations can never produce this. This will be . . . they will produce their creeds and dogmas mixed with the Word and brings a hybrid product. (The Spoken Word is the Original Seed, 1962)​

If you want to know the birthplace of most of the Charismatic movements more out-there doctrines look no further than Branham. Nowadays they're not so out-there but are finding mainstream acceptance in watered-down form. Today you'll hear words like "maturity" and "unity." When a Charismatic writer or speaker says these things, 9 chances out of 10 he or she is talking about the "Bride" reaching a stage of purity in preparation to meet the Bridegroom.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I think restorationists are basically people who taught cessationism, but decided to change their mind, so they say it's a "new thing God is doing" to avoid saying they were wrong.

or maybe they just read more of the Bible ?

“Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:19‬ ‭

“Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭36:26-27‬ ‭

“And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Definately he was doing a new thing some have a really hard time accepting it though

 

[ResidentAlien]

I think restorationists are basically people who taught cessationism, but decided to change their mind, so they say it's a "new thing God is doing" to avoid saying they were wrong.

The restoration movement has been going nearly as long as the reformation. Every fifty or a hundred years some new restorationists come along who claim it's their responsibility to restore the church to its pure form in preparation for the Lord's return. His return is always imminent, and it's been imminent for 500 years now.