Nephelim

Dino246 · Nov 21, 2022

The word is "principle". Your statement is not a principle, because it is not stated in Scripture.

Only, He doesn't. You see connections that aren't stated. You twist the Scripture to support your assertions... and have the audacity to accuse others of doing exactly that. Such is the essence of hypocrisy.

Dino246 · Nov 21, 2022

DavidTree said:

Since you do the same things for which you condemn others, even after repeated warnings, you are a hypocrite. You stand condemned by your own words.

Mem · Nov 21, 2022

Mystical kabbala nonsense is no better than roman mythological titan hogwash. I suppose next we'll be arguing about Lilith.

To make the assumption that no flesh and blood can enter the kingdom of God because it is written that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom dismisses the significance that the sentiment of scripture's message is that the inheritance of God is not by lineage such as james jr inheriting his father james' estate regardless of his criminal status. Rather it is true sons of the spirit that determines one's inheritance in regard to God's kingdom. Jesus said of the pharisees something along the lines of, 'your father was/is a liar' referring to satan, and he wasn't talking in any sense about women bearing children to satan, and so satan begetting them. The Nephilim were not begotten of angels, they were begotten by sons of God who strayed from God as father (as in a man in relation to his children, as in the creator, founder, producer, author, originate, as one becomes in performing the verb.)

CS1 · Nov 21, 2022

DavidTree said:

hate I am trying to convince you, LOL; those here can very much read what I said in Posts 299 and 307. They can see I did not have to result to attacks or name-calling as you do. You have a bad habit of taking what people say out of context; it's ok, I understand the high ne gets from a Setting like this, and I don't want to ruin your Thanksgiving. You are entitled to your opinion. I don't have to mention your intellect, demand you repent, or call you a lair to make myself look superior to others. You go right ahead and continue to do that. You are no one of authority in this setting or can rebuke others. Please enjoy yourself

. I disagree with your position, which is not a biblical one. If that means I have to repent or am a liar, because you said so LOL ahahahahaha

DavidTree · Nov 21, 2022

Mem said:

Stay in the Truth which you currently have drifted from = on this subject.

He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

DavidTree · Nov 21, 2022

CS1 said:

You were not "name called" = where is the evidence?

My words are in agreement with the Holy Spirit and the Scripture = yours are against the Scripture and against the Holy Spirit of Truth.

Jesus said: "Do not bear false witness".

Remain as you are and be ready to give an account of your words.

CS1 · Nov 21, 2022

its not hard to trigger prideful people LOL

CS1 · Nov 21, 2022

CS1 said:

hahahahaha

DavidTree · Nov 21, 2022

CS1 said:

Falsely accusing - again.

John146 · Nov 21, 2022

Mem said:

And these offspring were giants? Some being over 12 foot tall? We were as grasshoppers in their sight?

CS1 · Nov 21, 2022

"That which is born of flesh is Flesh, and that which is born of spirit is spirit " John 3:6 Jesus Speaking.

Can a dog make a cat? can a man have a baby? Can two men reproduce? Can a man or Angel undo what God has Ordainedso be in his creation?

God created everything unto its own kind. Some here would have you think a spiritual being ( angel) would be able to violate and undue what god created everything to be. That is unbiblical and directly suggests God is not alL powerful, and an angel can do what God did not create them to do in the first place.

Listen to what the Spirit is saying in the word of God and our Lord,

John 1:1-3

1, In the beginning, was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

God created everything with boundaries, although the unnatural acts of man having sexual relations with a man, God called an abomination. No offspring could ever be produced. That will never happen. Only a perverted mind and one who is unbiblical would think God's law and boundaries from Creation in the context of how men would come to be would happen from a sex-driven angel.

And a Fllod God brought forth to destroy man in that day ended the desire of angels today doing the same thing. Unbiblical. Not supported by the word of God. What God created can be perverted, yet it cannot make or create out of perversion.

That false narrative doesn't line up with the God of the bible. Some may want to believe the God of the Bible is incapable of when he speaks Ths sayth the Lord it can be altered by man or angels to Create OUTSIDE the BOUNDARIES God has made is ridicules and this is what Paul said about that in Romans chapter 1.

Roman 1:18-25

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

They tried to hold the truth hostage

20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,
even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

His invisible attributes: All powerful, all-knowing, All present, Holy, unchanging Mighty God to which there is no other.

21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

Man nor angel can produce Life without God outside of what HE created them to do. If angels could have sex with women, they should still be able to do it today. This idea sells a bunch of books and makes for good fiction, but the narrative in Genesis 6 is sinful man was judged by God for what sinful man did. As a normative, God has done and recorded time and time again.

Adam and Eve
Cain
The flood
Tower of Babel
open of the earth judgment of Korah
David s Census of the people
Isreal into captivity

Many more examples of what God did to man for his sin. If angels slept with women, God would owe the man an apology for the flood when it was clearly an angel's fault, not man's sin, as God said in Chapter 6 it was.

CS1 · Nov 21, 2022

John146 said:

Can you please show me Genesis chapter 6, where it says these "Giants" were 12 feet tall?

DavidTree · Nov 21, 2022

CS1 said:

You said: "If angels slept with women, God would owe the man an apology for the flood when it was clearly an angel's fault, not man's sin....."

Religious ignorance is both blindness, bliss and arrogance all in one.

Jude 1:5-7
But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Jude 1:5-7 Amplified Bible

Now I want to remind you, although you are fully informed once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe [who refused to trust and obey and rely on Him]. And angels who did not keep their own designated place of power, but abandoned their proper dwelling place, [these] He has kept in eternal chains under [the thick gloom of utter] darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the adjacent cities, since they in the same way as these angels indulged in gross immoral freedom and unnatural vice and sensual perversity. They are exhibited [in plain sight] as an example in undergoing the punishment of everlasting fire.

2 Peter 2:4-6
For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;

2 Peter 2:4-6 Amplified Bible

For if God did not [even] spare angels that sinned, but threw them into hell and sent them to pits of gloom to be kept [there] for judgment; and if He did not spare the ancient world, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought [the judgment of] a flood upon the world of the ungodly; and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter;

John146 · Nov 21, 2022

CS1 said:

Let's start with: Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Were did Goliath come from? How about the Anakims? Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Deuteronomy 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

This giants bed was approx. 14 feet long and 6 feet wide.

To say these giants were ungodly men, is not being honest with scripture.

CS1 · Nov 21, 2022

DavidTree said:

I am not sure what you or who you are referring to by your comment

But

If Religious ignorance is both blindness, bliss, and arrogance all in one.

Then I remind you that Allerogizing the word of God and taking it out of context is not how to understand Biblical scriptures. You provided the following to support Angels having sexual relations with women or not? Please answer.

Let's see what they say. Many of us here have already said and shown why we do not believe Genesis 6," Sons of God." is not about angels. I don't know if you agree, I think from what I see in the scriptures you posted, especially the Amplified.

"Now I want to remind you, although you are fully informed once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe [who refused to trust and obey and rely on Him].

And angels who did not keep their own designated place of power, but abandoned their proper dwelling place, [these] He has kept in eternal chains under [the thick gloom of utter] darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the adjacent cities, since they in the same way as these angels indulged in gross immoral freedom and unnatural vice and sensual perversity. They are exhibited [in plain sight] as an example in undergoing the punishment of everlasting fire."

Nowhere does it say angels were involved in a sexual thing concerning Sodom and Gomorrah

NKJV
Jude 1:5-7

But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

If You are trying to build a narrative without looking at the full chapter. Use the Amplified, NASB, or any other translation or version you like. The opening of Jude one cannot be taken out as we advance in this one Chapter which it seems you have done.

1 Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James,

To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ:

2 Mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you.
Contend for the Faith
3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries.

9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10 But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.

Nothing said in Jude says angels had sex with women. Strange flesh still pertains to men. and Jude is addressing issues of men and false doctrines and holding to that which was given.

3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.

CS1 · Nov 21, 2022

John146 said:

I disagree,

nor is not being honest to say so. Nothing you have provided says angels slept with women. That is suggested by some only in one chapter in the whole bible, Genesis 6. nowhere else. The full chapter context is what man did. The phrase sons of God is speaking of the context of a Created man whom God called to be separate. If you read Genesis chapter five, many generations from Adam have come to be. About 40 FROM Adam to Noah, some say 1656 years between them. Apparently, the generation of Noah went through a dark PERIOD. If you leave out the unit chapter reading with Genesis 6, you miss a lot of genesis chapters 5-8 are unit chapters.

I asked :

Can you please show me Genesis chapter 6, where it says these "Giants" were 12 feet tall?

You did not do that; you assumed. IF Genesis's "son of God " doesn't mean angels or giants, it doesn't mean 12 feet tall; you have a lot to create to make it so. Genesis chapter 5-8 is about men and God's Judgment on men because of the sin of men, not angels.

DavidTree · Nov 21, 2022

CS1 said:

I am not sure what you or who you are referring to by your comment

But

If Religious ignorance is both blindness, bliss, and arrogance all in one.

Then I remind you that Allerogizing the word of God and taking it out of context is not how to understand Biblical scriptures. You provided the following to support Angels having sexual relations with women or not? Please answer.

Let's see what they say. Many of us here have already said and shown why we do not believe Genesis 6," Sons of God." is not about angels. I don't know if you agree, I think from what I see in the scriptures you posted, especially the Amplified.

"Now I want to remind you, although you are fully informed once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe [who refused to trust and obey and rely on Him].

And angels who did not keep their own designated place of power, but abandoned their proper dwelling place, [these] He has kept in eternal chains under [the thick gloom of utter] darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the adjacent cities, since they in the same way as these angels indulged in gross immoral freedom and unnatural vice and sensual perversity. They are exhibited [in plain sight] as an example in undergoing the punishment of everlasting fire."

Nowhere does it say angels were involved in a sexual thing concerning Sodom and Gomorrah

NKJV
Jude 1:5-7

But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

If You are trying to build a narrative without looking at the full chapter. Use the Amplified, NASB, or any other translation or version you like. The opening of Jude one cannot be taken out as we advance in this one Chapter which it seems you have done.

1 Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James,

To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ:

2 Mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you.
Contend for the Faith
3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries.

9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10 But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.

Nothing said in Jude says angels had sex with women. Strange flesh still pertains to men. and Jude is addressing issues of men and false doctrines and holding to that which was given.

3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.

You said: "Then I remind you that Allerogizing the word of God and taking it out of context is not how to understand Biblical
scriptures."

This is the exact mistake you have been making.

First you changed scripture from bene ha elohim to "bene-men"

Second mistake you made is saying:
"If angels slept with women, God would owe the man an apology for the flood when it was clearly an angel's fault, not man's sin, as God said in Chapter 6 it was."

Did you forget that the entire world was condemned in sin BEFORE Genesis ch6 occurred.

Does God owe you an apology for permitting a fallen angel, Satan, in the Garden to tempt and take captive all of mankind???

Third mistake you are making is rejecting "every word spoken out of the mouth of God."
Genesis ch6 , Job ch1 ch2 ch38 , Jude 1:4-7 , 2 Peter 2:4-6 , John 1:11-12 , Luke 3:38 , Luke 20:34-36 , Corinthians ch15

Right now you owe God a major apology and if you humble yourself before HIM, HE promises to lift you up.

John146 · Nov 21, 2022

CS1 said:

The only way fallen man can become a son of God is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and what he accomplished in his d,b,r.

Who are the sons of God in Job 38?

Genesis 5 is there for the purpose to show us that God kept himself a perfect generation in the midst of the perversion of the sons of God led by Satan. Satan was out to eliminate Genesis 3:15 from happening.

Mem · Nov 21, 2022

John146 said:

You could take that passage and say the spy part where dwarves and, next thing you know, pygmies are hybrids of snow white and the seven dwarves.
I'd feel like a grasshopper next to Dolph Lundgren, but it doesn't mean that he actually sees me as a grasshopper, I'm sure as I might be that he does. In fact, he might've heard of me and actually be scared of my quick and lethal little feet. The sin of the spies was that they returned an evil report. If it was the truth, what made it so evil? I just read where Joshua killed the three sons of Anak, was he some kind of ninja or have superpowers like Antman? Pretty sure you'd need some sort of superpower to be a kill a half-angel, let alone three. And if Jesus is captain of the Angel armies, how come He wasn't at least 20 feet tall?

Mem · Nov 21, 2022

DavidTree said:

Tis an awful heap of 'suming to assert oneself as speaking for God. If you insist on pursuing this office, you should proceed much more cautiously.

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