If Mary is not the Mother of God, then Jesus Christ her Son is not God.

[Crazy4GODword]

Agreed. Mary is the Mother of God, because Jesus is God. She's the Mother of the human nature of His Divinity. His Divinity is Incarnate in Jesus, so if you deny she's the Mother of God, you are saying that God was not incarnate in the human nature of Jesus. You separate out Jesus Christ into 2 separate persons: one human, the other Divine. We must protect the term Mother of God in order to protect and guard the Incarnate nature of God the Son: God is born in Mary. God the Son! Not the Father, or the Spirit.

I don't think Mary would want such a title. She only helped one side of Jesus, God is the divinity. She cannot control or tell Jesus what to do. How can a creation of God be the mother of God, when God is the uncreated? God needed someone to use and Mary was a women picked for that duty, to conceive the Lord.

 

[dscherck]

I don't think Mary would want such a title. She only helped one side of Jesus, God is the divinity. She cannot control or tell Jesus what to do. How can a creation of God be the mother of God, when God is the uncreated? God needed someone to use and Mary was a women picked for that duty, to conceive the Lord.

And yet she deserves the title. Her son is Jesus, who is Lord. If you deny her the title of Mother of God, you deny that Jesus is deserving of the title of God.

 

[Crazy4GODword]

And yet she deserves the title. Her son is Jesus, who is Lord. If you deny her the title of Mother of God, you deny that Jesus is deserving of the title of God.

She was created by the creator who is uncreated. She can't be the mother of a creator but the creator's human body she can!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And yet she deserves the title. Her son is Jesus, who is Lord. If you deny her the title of Mother of God, you deny that Jesus is deserving of the title of God.

All I can do is roll my eyes. I don't know what else to say.

Ok. I agree. Mary gave birth to jesus. he was never God before he was born. He was created the moment he came from the womb. He is not creator. he is not the GOD of the OT. He was not in the beginning. In order to agree with you, This is what I would have to believe. So sorry. I must disagree.

Saying Mary is the mother of God is saying this. I do not think even you believe this. so why would you call her his mother. God has no mother. to even say he does is to mock him.

 

[Crazy4GODword]

All I can do is roll my eyes. I don't know what else to say.

Ok. I agree. Mary gave birth to jesus. he was never God before he was born. He was created the moment he came from the womb. He is not creator. he is not the GOD of the OT. He was not in the beginning. In order to agree with you, This is what I would have to believe. So sorry. I must disagree.

Saying Mary is the mother of God is saying this. I do not think even you believe this. so why would you call her his mother. God has no mother. to even say he does is to mock him.

Now Christ is in Genesis 1:1-3...and other scriptures just to point out

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Now Christ is in Genesis 1:1-3...and other scriptures just to point out

Yes he is. That is why the divinity of Christ HAS NO MOTHER.

 

[Scotth1960]

Yes he is. That is why the divinity of Christ HAS NO MOTHER.

The divinity of Christ is incarnate. If His divinity is incarnate, in its human incarnation, His divinity has a human mother in the incarnate nature of His Divinity. Not the Divinity itself; His divinity itself has no mother: only God the Father is the source of His (Christ's) Divinity. But since Christ is incarnate, in the human nature, Christ God has a Mother, and since His Divinity cannot be de-incarnated, Mary is the Mother of God, because God the Son is incarnate, and you can't separate away the human nature from His Divine nature. To try to do so is to make Jesus Christ into 2 separate persons: one human, the other Divine. Therefore, Mary is the Mother of God, because God the Son's Divinity is incarnated in a perfect human nature. To deny that Mary is the Mother of God is to make Christ 2 persons, one human, the other Divine, and that is the ancient heresy of Nestorius (Nestorianism). See: Nestorianism on GOOGLE. God bless you!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The divinity of Christ is incarnate. If His divinity is incarnate, in its human incarnation, His divinity has a human mother in the incarnate nature of His Divinity. Not the Divinity itself; His divinity itself has no mother: only God the Father is the source of His (Christ's) Divinity. But since Christ is incarnate, in the human nature, Christ God has a Mother, and since His Divinity cannot be de-incarnated, Mary is the Mother of God, because God the Son is incarnate, and you can't separate away the human nature from His Divine nature. To try to do so is to make Jesus Christ into 2 separate persons: one human, the other Divine. Therefore, Mary is the Mother of God, because God the Son's Divinity is incarnated in a perfect human nature. To deny that Mary is the Mother of God is to make Christ 2 persons, one human, the other Divine, and that is the ancient heresy of Nestorius (Nestorianism). See: Nestorianism on GOOGLE. God bless you!

Scott. I only read one sentance. As it is more than enough. Divinity can have no mother. Saying one has a mother is saying one is created inside the mother. Christs divinity was not created inside the mother. It was before Mary was even born.

Do you really think about what you say? Or have you been taught this for so long that it just appears to make sense to you? Or are you just wanting your church to be right. your blind as to what you are saying?

I don't know which one it is. But there is something majorly wrong with your thinking when you think the divine nature of God was created inside Mary.

 

[4runner]

If Mary is not the Mother of God, then Jesus Christ her Son is not God.

Mary is Jesus' mother in the sense that she gave birth to Him and raise Him as her own . However biologically Jesus has no parent except God the Father.

 

[Scotth1960]

Scott. I only read one sentance. As it is more than enough. Divinity can have no mother. Saying one has a mother is saying one is created inside the mother. Christs divinity was not created inside the mother. It was before Mary was even born.

Do you really think about what you say? Or have you been taught this for so long that it just appears to make sense to you? Or are you just wanting your church to be right. your blind as to what you are saying?

I don't know which one it is. But there is something majorly wrong with your thinking when you think the divine nature of God was created inside Mary.

The term Mother of God does not mean Mary is the Mother of Christ's Divinity. It means that God is born in Mary's womb. For God to be born, He must be human. God became human in Christ. His Divinity is incarnate in a man. Thus, as a man, Mary can be mother of God the man Jesus Christ. God's Divinity is incarnate. You don't deny the Incarnation, do you? Denying Mary as Mother of God means Christ's Divinity did not become Incarnate, and Christ is 2 separate persons, one human, the other Divine. It means Christ was not born of Mary, but His Divinity remained separate from His human body.
That's what denying the term Mother of God does. It denies that God the Son has a human nature that can have a human Mother. Mother of God does not mean Mary is the Mother of God the Son's Divinity, but God the Son's incarnate humanity. Can't you understand that ?
So you are saying the Council of Ephesus in 431 was wrong?
Which said Mary is the Theotokos, the God-bearer, the Mother of God (the Son)?
How can a Council of Christ's Church be wrong? It wasn't wrong in the Council of the book of Acts. It wasn't wrong in the councils of 325 AD and 381 AD. So it wasn't wrong in 431 AD either.

 

[Scotth1960]

Mary is Jesus' mother in the sense that she gave birth to Him and raise Him as her own . However biologically Jesus has no parent except God the Father.

Biologically Jesus has a parent, His mother, Mary. As for His Divinity, it is not biological.

 

[Laodicea]

John 2:3-4
(3) And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
(4) Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
Matthew 12:47-50
(47) Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
(48) But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
(49) And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
(50) For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

 

[Scotth1960]

Scott. I only read one sentance. As it is more than enough. Divinity can have no mother. Saying one has a mother is saying one is created inside the mother. Christs divinity was not created inside the mother. It was before Mary was even born.

Do you really think about what you say? Or have you been taught this for so long that it just appears to make sense to you? Or are you just wanting your church to be right. your blind as to what you are saying?

I don't know which one it is. But there is something majorly wrong with your thinking when you think the divine nature of God was created inside Mary.

So you are saying God did not become a man in Jesus Christ? You are denying the Incarnation of God the Son. If God the Son is incarnate, God the Son can have a Mother, and Mary can be the Mother of God, because God has a human nature that can have a Mother. So your denial of the term Mother of God is a denial of Christ's Incarnation. You are misinterpreting the term Mother of God to mean "the Mother of Christ's divinity" instead of "Mother of Christ's humanity". Why can't you understand what the words "Mother of God" mean as the holy council of Ephesus of 431 AD intended them. God is born in Christ.
But you would probably deny God could be born.
Your view seems to me to be neo-Nestorian.

 

[jandian]

Scott, Mary is mother of the human side of Jesus not the divine. The parent of the the divine is the Father. This is the Son of God and Son of man, He is 100% both human and divine. But I believe Jesus is the Son of God (God the Son) which is the Lord!

Amen ....well said

 

[Scotth1960]

Scott. I only read one sentance. As it is more than enough. Divinity can have no mother. Saying one has a mother is saying one is created inside the mother. Christs divinity was not created inside the mother. It was before Mary was even born.

Do you really think about what you say? Or have you been taught this for so long that it just appears to make sense to you? Or are you just wanting your church to be right. your blind as to what you are saying?

I don't know which one it is. But there is something majorly wrong with your thinking when you think the divine nature of God was created inside Mary.

No! I do not believe the divine nature of God was created inside Mary. I believe the Divine Nature of God the Son took on humanity and became Incarnate inside Mary's womb. Please refrain from trying to tell what I think. You obviously don't understand what I think. You don't understand that the term Mother of God does not mean Mary is the Mother of Christ's Divine nature: it means she is the Mother of the human nature of God the Son. God the Son since the moment of His Incarnation forever has a human nature.

 

[Scotth1960]

John 2:3-4
(3) And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
(4) Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
Matthew 12:47-50
(47) Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
(48) But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
(49) And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
(50) For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

"Protestants revile the Theotokos and deny her veneration because they have no truly Christian knowledge and understanding of the Holy Scripture, and from sheer, careless mistranslations of the Scripture which they pridefully persist in. An excellent example is the section concerning the wedding at Cana, which so many sectarians twist and seek to turn against the Holy Virgin. Read John 2:1-11 in the King James Version. Protestants claim that this section demonstrates Christ's own disregard for His mother ("Woman, what have I to do with you?") However, in the actual text, the correct translation reads:
3. And when the wine was all gone, the mother of Jesus said to Him, "They have no more wine." 4. Jesus said to her, "Dear woman, what is that to you and Me? My time is not yet come." 5. His mother said to the servants, "Whatever He says to you, do it."
"Let us think about this for only a moment. What does the verse actually demonstrate? Christ asks, "Why should we care if the wine is gone? What difference does it make to us?" Then He makes it plain that the time for Him to work miracles has not yet arrived. In the order of God's plan, it is not yet time for Him to begin this work. But as we read on in this chapter, we discover that he does work the miracle? Why? Because of Mary's intercession. And think of it. Because of the intercession of the Theotokos, the order of God's plan is changed. Christ works the miracle before the time has come. How powerful then, are the intercessions of the Theotokos shown to be. Moreover, she is shown to be His first apostle, since she instructs the servants, "Whatever He tells you, do it."
(pages 32-33: Archbishop Lazar Puhalo, The Point of Faith Handbook, Point of Faith Number 1. Canadian Orthodox Publishing House, Synaxis Press. Dewdney, BC, Canada.).

Lord Jesus Christ save us all through the prayers of Thy Most Pure Mother: Amen. In Erie Scott R. Harrington

 

[Laodicea]

Because of Mary's intercession. And think of it. Because of the intercession of the Theotokos, the order of God's plan is changed. Christ works the miracle before the time has come.

Hebrews 7:25
(25) Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
1 Timothy 2:5
(5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

 

[4runner]

Biologically Jesus has a parent, His mother, Mary. As for His Divinity, it is not biological.

Nowhere will you find that Jesus was Mary's biological child in scripture. However we do know Jesus was the 2nd Adam and High Priest after the order of Melchezidec, neither of which had earthly parents.

 

[4runner]

J
(50) For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

hahaha, this verse says everybody that does the will of the Father is His mother????????????

 

[4runner]

Too many people believe too many extra-biblical doctrine