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Lynx, your pretty smart not to get caught up in this nonsense, but what happened to the curiosity killed the cat?!?!
I just read the first part 1st Corinthians Chapter 7 and it breaks down the whole relationship ordeal.
I have an idea of how to answer the question, but think it's fair to let the person who asked the question, what they believe. Maybe they honestly have no idea, or maybe they do. Only one way to find out.
So, a woman who is unclean (adulter), can marry as many times as she wants, what about a woman who serves the LORD? Is she free to get married and divorced and that's o.k.?
Did you miss the other two questions, or just ignoring them, because you don't know? Also how do you fit Luke 16:18 and 1st Corinthians 7:10 in your marry as many times a woman wants theology?
Here is your original question, do you have answer for this? This is regarding 1 Corinthians 7:10
"Does this verse mean, if a woman divorces her husband she must remain unmarried or remarry her husband?"
If you don't answer these questions, than I'm done with our conversation. Not gonna beg you to answer questions to keep a conversation going. Plus, this topic does nothing for me, since I don't want to get married or divorced for that matter. Just trying to understand people who believe divorce and remarriage is o.k. Biblically speaking.
I assume by your mention of “unclean” that you’re referencing Deuteronomy 24, Ervah. Ervah is defined as many unclean things, only one of which is fornication. In other words, uncleanness can be fornication or a number of other disgraceful acts.
No disrespect but your question is flawed. That’s why I skipped it.
No disrespect but your question is flawed. That’s why I skipped it.
Some Red heads try to prove the stereotype.
I should have noted the red flags when she bragged about all the cat fights she won in highschool......and going to meet her parents for dinner. Her mom was screaming at her dad and throwing lamps or whatever she could at him because he dared to disagree with her. There were more than a couple red flags. 😬
I should have noted the red flags when she bragged about all the cat fights she won in highschool......and going to meet her parents for dinner. Her mom was screaming at her dad and throwing lamps or whatever she could at him because he dared to disagree with her. There were more than a couple red flags. 😬
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9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for [a]sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”
Than you conclude.....
"That means it is not adultery to divorce and remarry in the case of unfaithfulness".
I think you are twisting scripture, so now I see where you get your view point. That is some serious rodeo action right there. lol Let me try to break this down. You may think the same about what I think, but just being honest. We are still friends right?
lol
whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality...... Basically when you read this part of the verse, your thinking that it means, who ever divorces their wife for any reason, except adultery, than their marriage never existed, or they are free to marry again. No where does Mathew 19:9 say, that they divorcee is free to marry again, but quite the contrary, it says adultery and adultery, if you marry again. Like I said, it's a rodeo.
Than you conclude.....
"That means it is not adultery to divorce and remarry in the case of unfaithfulness".
I think you are twisting scripture, so now I see where you get your view point. That is some serious rodeo action right there. lol Let me try to break this down. You may think the same about what I think, but just being honest. We are still friends right?
lolwhoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality...... Basically when you read this part of the verse, your thinking that it means, who ever divorces their wife for any reason, except adultery, than their marriage never existed, or they are free to marry again. No where does Mathew 19:9 say, that they divorcee is free to marry again, but quite the contrary, it says adultery and adultery, if you marry again. Like I said, it's a rodeo.
18Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
This scripture from Luke is pretty much what seems to be your point of view on divorce; and I think what NOV25 is saying is that this scripture (and some others) are about "putting away" without divorce and not about "divorce" proper... and to some extent I can see it.... although it would be nice if it specified.
More importantly... God characterizes himself as one who "gave a certificate of divorce" in Jerimiah and Isaiah (because of "sexual immorality" even... He is very descriptive on this point) then expresses his intent to "marry" again in the new testament; so you may have to argue with God on this one someday.
I still think that the standard between believing Christians is:
“Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’a 5and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’b? 6So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”
"No divorce" for married people in Christ is a reasonable expectation to me. The only believers I would expect to get a divorce are ones who are married to a non-believer for whatever reason; and that non-believer who will not beholden themselves to Christ ends the marriage.
Since Paul says:
8Now to the unmarried and widows I say this: It is good for them to remain unmarried, as I am. 9But if they cannot control themselves, let them marry.
I don't know if there is any way to prove that "unmarried" does not include divorced people.
27Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be loosed. Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife. 28But even if you do marry, you have not sinned;
if this can refer back to:
15But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases.
Then I could see why people would say that marriage to a Christian after being divorced from an unbeliever is okay.
So, I don't think it's a bunch of mental gymnastics going on, or if there is, it's because this topic actually requires an absurd amount of mental gymnastics, because there is a vast chasm between Jewish language & culture and most modern people's language & culture.
I believe Jesus interprets Deuteronomy 24 regarding divorce, so it's not abused anymore. New King James Version highlights divorce in Luke 16:18. If people want to believe divorced Christians can marry multiple times, that's their right to believe, but it brings marriage to a state of living together, rather than a life long commitment.
Yes marriage is really difficult at times, never been married, but I have seen marriages fall apart, and the fighting. No one said, life was gonna be easy, but people are still waking up in the morning, and NOT committing suicide. Right? That's why the Bible repeatedly warns against marriage here on earth, but go ahead if you are a horny toad.....You have been warned though. lol
Also marriage here on earth is really a mechanism to show how true God's love is. God is willing to deal with all our fault's, but will never leave us or forsake us, except for the unpardonable sin.......The only way God will abandoned us, if we choose to reject God, and serve false gods (adultery). Marriage also brings two people together to provide for children. If we use the imagery of people divorcing and remarrying multiple times, it doesn't really show the commitment of God, but that's just another way I'm trying to show what marriage is like.
The Bible has numerous verses against marriage, I'm wondering why I never heard this in church service, maybe because they would lose their church followers?!?! Also, when is the last time you heard about divorce and remarriage in church service?!?! lol No wonder why there is so much confusion.
Would you care to consider 1st Corinthians 7:39-40? This is pretty much exactly what I believe. A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives, except when the husband dies, she is free to remarry. Please examine these two verses in the remarry as many times as you want theology.
6 Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the Lord your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you.” Deuteronomy 31:6
18 “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery. Luke 16:18 NKJ
39 A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. 40 In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is—and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Corinthians 7&version=NIV
Since no pastors are willing to throw there weight around on this topic, will have to find their denominational views on the web. This is from the Southern Baptists.
"Even in cases where a divorce takes place on biblical grounds according to Southern Baptist views, remarriage may be out of the question. As a denomination, the Southern Baptist Convention encourages divorced couples to seek reconciliation and reunion with each other and with God. If one partner dies while the couple is divorced, Southern Baptists believe the survivor is free to remarry. They encourage churches to offer counseling and mentorship to young couples and even make divorce and remarriage a matter of church discipline." https://classroom.synonym.com/southern-baptist-remarriage-beliefs-2408.html
It looks like the Eastern Orthodox Church allows for marriage after divorce, but not the Catholic Church.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_divorce
The Pentecostal has a pretty detailed view in the link below.
Pentecostal Church concludes....
A. The only acceptable reason for divorce is fornication/adultery.
B. If a couple in the church need to separate for any reason other than adultery or abuse and if they re-marry they are committing adultery.
C. If a couple comes into the church from the "world" and the spouse not desiring to serve the Lord wants a divorce, the Christian is allowed to consent to the divorce and re-marry without committing sin.
1. However, if the unbeliever doesn't want a divorce the Christian is encouraged to stay with them.
2. This mostly applies to the foreign field where one partner comes to Christ and the other desires a divorce based on the fact they will not convert.
D. An abused spouse is permitted to divorce and re-marry.
https://nbctupc.tripod.com/id64.htm
It looks like Calvary Chapel believes in marriage after divorce.
https://calvarychapeleagle.com/marriage-divorce-and-remarriage/
Seventh Day Adventist believes in remarriage after divorce.
https://family.adventist.org/divorc...ge-divorce-and-remarriage-church-manual-2005/
It looks like the majority of churches believe in remarriage after divorce (in certain circumstances), while just maybe the Southern Baptist and Catholic Church are against remarriage after divorce. If anyone would like to post their church doctrine regarding marriage after divorce, please do so, so that we can get an idea what pastors think.
I think the final word should be given to what God says, in the scripture. Here is another verse to ponder on....
11 He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”
Mark 10:11-12
Yes marriage is really difficult at times, never been married, but I have seen marriages fall apart, and the fighting. No one said, life was gonna be easy, but people are still waking up in the morning, and NOT committing suicide. Right? That's why the Bible repeatedly warns against marriage here on earth, but go ahead if you are a horny toad.....You have been warned though. lol
Also marriage here on earth is really a mechanism to show how true God's love is. God is willing to deal with all our fault's, but will never leave us or forsake us, except for the unpardonable sin.......The only way God will abandoned us, if we choose to reject God, and serve false gods (adultery). Marriage also brings two people together to provide for children. If we use the imagery of people divorcing and remarrying multiple times, it doesn't really show the commitment of God, but that's just another way I'm trying to show what marriage is like.
The Bible has numerous verses against marriage, I'm wondering why I never heard this in church service, maybe because they would lose their church followers?!?! Also, when is the last time you heard about divorce and remarriage in church service?!?! lol No wonder why there is so much confusion.
Would you care to consider 1st Corinthians 7:39-40? This is pretty much exactly what I believe. A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives, except when the husband dies, she is free to remarry. Please examine these two verses in the remarry as many times as you want theology.
6 Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the Lord your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you.” Deuteronomy 31:6
18 “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery. Luke 16:18 NKJ
39 A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. 40 In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is—and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Corinthians 7&version=NIV
Since no pastors are willing to throw there weight around on this topic, will have to find their denominational views on the web. This is from the Southern Baptists.
"Even in cases where a divorce takes place on biblical grounds according to Southern Baptist views, remarriage may be out of the question. As a denomination, the Southern Baptist Convention encourages divorced couples to seek reconciliation and reunion with each other and with God. If one partner dies while the couple is divorced, Southern Baptists believe the survivor is free to remarry. They encourage churches to offer counseling and mentorship to young couples and even make divorce and remarriage a matter of church discipline." https://classroom.synonym.com/southern-baptist-remarriage-beliefs-2408.html
It looks like the Eastern Orthodox Church allows for marriage after divorce, but not the Catholic Church.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_divorce
The Pentecostal has a pretty detailed view in the link below.
Pentecostal Church concludes....
A. The only acceptable reason for divorce is fornication/adultery.
B. If a couple in the church need to separate for any reason other than adultery or abuse and if they re-marry they are committing adultery.
C. If a couple comes into the church from the "world" and the spouse not desiring to serve the Lord wants a divorce, the Christian is allowed to consent to the divorce and re-marry without committing sin.
1. However, if the unbeliever doesn't want a divorce the Christian is encouraged to stay with them.
2. This mostly applies to the foreign field where one partner comes to Christ and the other desires a divorce based on the fact they will not convert.
D. An abused spouse is permitted to divorce and re-marry.
https://nbctupc.tripod.com/id64.htm
It looks like Calvary Chapel believes in marriage after divorce.
https://calvarychapeleagle.com/marriage-divorce-and-remarriage/
Seventh Day Adventist believes in remarriage after divorce.
https://family.adventist.org/divorc...ge-divorce-and-remarriage-church-manual-2005/
It looks like the majority of churches believe in remarriage after divorce (in certain circumstances), while just maybe the Southern Baptist and Catholic Church are against remarriage after divorce. If anyone would like to post their church doctrine regarding marriage after divorce, please do so, so that we can get an idea what pastors think.
I think the final word should be given to what God says, in the scripture. Here is another verse to ponder on....
11 He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”
Mark 10:11-12
K
Marriage can be difficult, so can singleness. That is life. I don't want to be rude here, but marriage is sacred. The Bible does not repeatedly warn against marriage. Paul was speaking of his own life, and he gave his own opinion. The Bible says not to forbid marriage. Nor does it say "go ahead if you are a horny toad." Both marriage and sex are sacred. That is why Christians stand against gay marriage. Sin within a marriage is blessed by God and should not be referred to in such a manner. The Bible is for marriage, from the beginning God had a plan for man not to be alone. The following are just a few verses on marriage.
Gen 2:18 Then God said: “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper as his partner.”
Matthew 19:4–6 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
Genesis 2:23–24
Then the man said, “This at last is bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken out of Man.”
Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
Hebrews 13:4
Let marriage be held in honor among all
Proverbs 18:22 He who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor from the Lord.
Proverbs 19:14
House and wealth are inherited from fathers, but a prudent wife is from the Lord.
Proverbs 31:10 An excellent wife who can find? She is far more precious than jewels.
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We are obviously seeing things for a different perspective. You said, that you are married, and think it's better, or right. I'm single and think it's better or right. That's probably what we agree on right there, but I will respond to your post. I would rather discuss Cellular Cosmology, but know one cares about that. lol
" The Bible does not repeatedly warn against marriage. Paul was speaking of his own life, and he gave his own opinion. The Bible says not to forbid marriage. Nor does it say "go ahead if you are a horny toad.""
O.k. maybe horny toad was not a direct quote, but burn with passion is equal in my mind. lol In the context of 1st Corinthians 7:9, what does "burn with passion" mean to you? lol
Mathew 19:
10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”
11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
1 Corinthians 7:
8Now to the unmarried and widows I say this: It is good for them to remain unmarried, as I am. 9But if they cannot control themselves, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
"The Bible is for marriage, from the beginning God had a plan for man not to be alone."
Do you remember after Adam and Eve were married, what happened? Satan tricked Eve, Eve ate, Eve gave Adam the forbidden fruit, and both were kicked out of paradise. I would of went with the single's plan, knowing what happened after marriage, but that's just me. lol
By the way, is there any way to get a refund on that missing rib, without getting married? lol I'm pretty sure I would have 6 packs abs, if I wasn't missing some pieces.
When God said, it's not good for a man to be alone, that was when there was just Adam living on earth. There are billions of people on earth right now. Man is not alone, unless he chooses to be alone at this point.
By the way, Jesus never got married on earth, so are you saying, Jesus did wrong by not getting married, because it's not good for man to be alone? OR, was it better HE never got married, because Jesus is perfect in every way? Just checking in here.
I never said, it's wrong to get married, but it's better to be single, and also that getting married will be difficult, or something really close to that.
1 Corinthians 7:
29What I am saying, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none; 30those who weep, as if they did not; those who are joyful, as if they were not; those who make a purchase, as if they had nothing; 31and those who use the things of this world, as if not dependent on them. For this world in its present form is passing away.
32I want you to be free from concern. The unmarried man is concerned about the work of the Lord, how he can please the Lord. 33But the married man is concerned about the affairs of this world, how he can please his wife, 34and his interests are divided. The unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the work of the Lord, how she can be holy in both body and spirit. But the married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world, how she can please her husband.
K
Probably wasn't a direct quote, no...
Sin was going to enter the world, had Adam been single he would have had the same fall. Remember, they sinned together. The marriage had nothing to do with it.
By the way, is there any way to get a refund on that missing rib, without getting married? lol I'm pretty sure I would have 6 packs abs, if I wasn't missing some pieces.
But God meant for man to have a partner.
Ahhh but we must be very careful here !! Jesus came for a purpose. Catholics say it's wrong for a priest to be married, but it isn't. It wouldn't be wrong for Jesus to marry had he not had a specific time and purpose on earth. Jesus was perfect because of who he was, it had nothing to do with his marital status.
But the Bible is more on the side of marriage. I'm not saying it's wrong to be single, but marriage is sacred to God.