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kinda

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Probably wasn't a direct quote, no...


We might need a third opinion on this matter, since we both agree?!?! lol


Sin was going to enter the world, had Adam been single he would have had the same fall. Remember, they sinned together. The marriage had nothing to do with it.


How dare you imply what Adam would of done in a hypothetical situation! lol


But God meant for man to have a partner.


No one's arguing about business partners, we need them. A marriage partner? That is debatable, if not a down right fallacy in a Biblical perspective.


Ahhh but we must be very careful here !! Jesus came for a purpose. Catholics say it's wrong for a priest to be married, but it isn't. It wouldn't be wrong for Jesus to marry had he not had a specific time and purpose on earth. Jesus was perfect because of who he was, it had nothing to do with his marital status.
Did you have scripture to back everything that was said here, or is this sort of in the moment guess work?!?! lol


But the Bible is more on the side of marriage. I'm not saying it's wrong to be single, but marriage is sacred to God.
How so? Need scripture. You didn't quote one Bible verse. Are we still talking about the Bible here, or just your feelings? I think this topic has been discussed in every angle, but noticed you didn't acknowledge any scripture that I quoted. You are not gonna change your mind, either am I, so we are gonna have to move on to the next subject matter.

By the way, you made the sleepy cat get a headache. Are you happy now? lol


 

kinda

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All this gives me a headache. I'm gonna take a nap on a tree branch and wait for dinner.
We might need a singles thread in the singles forum. That's crazy right?
 

Lynx

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We might need a singles thread in the singles forum. That's crazy right?
I dunno... A while ago there was a big kerfuffle about divorced people claiming they were single. If that guy had gotten his way, this topic may never have even come up in this forum. =^.^=
 

kinda

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I dunno... A while ago there was a big kerfuffle about divorced people claiming they were single. If that guy had gotten his way, this topic may never have even come up in this forum. =^.^=
I'm not a moderator, but divorce doesn't seem like a singles forum topic, more like a family forum/prayer forum topic, but what do I know?!?! lol

How is your headache?
 

NOV25

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It is . Something i had to learn to accept 55 years ago.
That’s what makes a false divorce and remarriage doctrine one of the most harmful (non salvific) false doctrines, the tremendous damage it causes.

Abused women and children being advised to remain by shepherds who are supposed to protect them…
Young divorced mothers being told they must remain alone for life…

The list goes on..
 

NOV25

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"Her who is divorced" in the quoted passage refers specifically back to the woman who the man divorced for reasons other than sexual immorality. It's not just "a divorced woman" as some versions translate it. So, this entire saying about adultery would only apply to people who are divorced for reasons other than sexual immorality. So, I think it's less rodeo, and more about just reading things differently.

18Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

This scripture from Luke is pretty much what seems to be your point of view on divorce; and I think what NOV25 is saying is that this scripture (and some others) are about "putting away" without divorce and not about "divorce" proper... and to some extent I can see it.... although it would be nice if it specified.

More importantly... God characterizes himself as one who "gave a certificate of divorce" in Jerimiah and Isaiah (because of "sexual immorality" even... He is very descriptive on this point) then expresses his intent to "marry" again in the new testament; so you may have to argue with God on this one someday.

I still think that the standard between believing Christians is:
“Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’a 5and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’b? 6So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”
"No divorce" for married people in Christ is a reasonable expectation to me. The only believers I would expect to get a divorce are ones who are married to a non-believer for whatever reason; and that non-believer who will not beholden themselves to Christ ends the marriage.

Since Paul says:
8Now to the unmarried and widows I say this: It is good for them to remain unmarried, as I am. 9But if they cannot control themselves, let them marry.
I don't know if there is any way to prove that "unmarried" does not include divorced people.
27Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be loosed. Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife. 28But even if you do marry, you have not sinned;
if this can refer back to:
15But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases.
Then I could see why people would say that marriage to a Christian after being divorced from an unbeliever is okay.

So, I don't think it's a bunch of mental gymnastics going on, or if there is, it's because this topic actually requires an absurd amount of mental gymnastics, because there is a vast chasm between Jewish language & culture and most modern people's language & culture.
Apoluo ≠ apostasion.

Put it to the ole hermeneutics test.

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Until you do this you’re just spinning your wheels bro. There’s a video on YouTube that explains it pretty well if you can make it though. Called: divorce, remarriage and putting away… Or something like that, he’s a messianic Jewish fella.
 

SomeDisciple

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Put it to the ole hermeneutics test.

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Until you do this you’re just spinning your wheels bro.
Well, that looks too much like WORK!
(thanks for the tip, I'll check it out)
 

Beckie

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wow a nice jump to a false conclusion
That’s what makes a false divorce and remarriage doctrine one of the most harmful (non salvific) false doctrines, the tremendous damage it causes.

Abused women and children being advised to remain by shepherds who are supposed to protect them…
Young divorced mothers being told they must remain alone for life…

The list goes on..
 
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kaylagrl

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No one's arguing about business partners, we need them. A marriage partner? That is debatable, if not a down right fallacy in a Biblical perspective.
All the verses I see in Scripture say a wife is a blessing, the same as children, and from the Lord.




Did you have scripture to back everything that was said here, or is this sort of in the moment guess work?!?! lol
Well in a kind of a sense Jesus is married to us. We are His bride.



How so? Need scripture. You didn't quote one Bible verse. Are we still talking about the Bible here, or just your feelings? I think this topic has been discussed in every angle, but noticed you didn't acknowledge any scripture that I quoted. You are not gonna change your mind, either am I, so we are gonna have to move on to the next subject matter.

By the way, you made the sleepy cat get a headache. Are you happy now? lol
Don't cats sleep like, all day? Yes I gave a lot of verses in one of my posts, did you miss it?


Matthew 19:4–6 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

Genesis 2:23–24
Then the man said, “This at last is bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken out of Man.”
Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Hebrews 13:4

Let marriage be held in honor among all

Proverbs 18:22 He who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor from the Lord.

Proverbs 19:14
House and wealth are inherited from fathers, but a prudent wife is from the Lord.

Proverbs 31:10 An excellent wife who can find? She is far more precious than jewels.
11 Her husband has full confidence in her and lacks nothing of value.
12 She brings him good, not harm, all the days of her life.


25 She is clothed with strength and dignity; she can laugh at the days to come.
26 She speaks with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue.
27 She watches over the affairs of her household and does not eat the bread of idleness.
28 Her children arise and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praises her:
29 “Many women do noble things, but you surpass them all.”
30 Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting; but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised.


Gen 2:18 Then God said: “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper as his partner.”

Proverbs 12:4
A wife of noble character is her husband’s crown...




 
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kaylagrl

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All this gives me a headache. I'm gonna take a nap on a tree branch and wait for dinner.

I'm sorry for giving you a headache. I do think this is an important topic though. I was single most of my life, but I did not talk down about marriage. The Bible says it's sacred, well you of course know what the Bible says. Just, that's the point I'm trying to make. Not that people all must be married, but that we respect marriage as sacred.
 

mustaphadrink

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1 Corinthians 7:10

10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

Does this verse mean, if a woman divorces her husband she must remain unmarried or remarry her husband?
This verse means you don't divorce anyone
 

mustaphadrink

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If you had done the extensive research you claimed at Uni...the reason is to publish a paper which then gets published in another publication.

Which means that in order to get published in a respected journal it first gets peer reviewed (also listed) and reviewed by your mentor (also listed) and the supporting post-docs also get listed in a proscribed fashion for credits.

So...
Since you don't understand anything I just said and refuse to link to anything you just said....your assertions are without merit as not only does personal experience of those in regular attendance of church bear out in opposition but so does recent research in this subject.
When you are writing papers for your degree course they are not published.
 

Lynx

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I'm sorry for giving you a headache. I do think this is an important topic though. I was single most of my life, but I did not talk down about marriage. The Bible says it's sacred, well you of course know what the Bible says. Just, that's the point I'm trying to make. Not that people all must be married, but that we respect marriage as sacred.
I agree with all those points.

I was being facetious about the headache. (But I really did go off and take a nap... On a couch though, not in a tree. But a couch doesn't fit the Lynx persona.)

I can phrase it in a serious, non-facetious manner, but it will take a lot more space. (Yes I CAN do serious when I want to. I just don't usually want to.)

Here goes:

All this argument and crap about divorce should serve as a lesson to us single people to be content. Being married opens a whole can of worms and leaves you open to heartbreak, divorce, drama and... basically a lot of stuff that ruins your digestion and keeps you from sleeping at night.

Watching the game from the sidelines, I've seen a lot come and I've seen a lot go. The ones who stay in the game seem to be the ones who happen to meet someone while they are living life. The people who run out and try to "find somebody" never seem to get relationships that last very long at all.

I have concluded it is better to just take a nap (in a tree!) and wait to see what life brings. If I wait years, decades, or if I never find somebody at all, it will be better than my odds of finding a good relationship by chasing it.

Besides, my voice breaks when I try to sing "I'm going through the big D, and don't mean Dallas" anyway. :p

Well shoot, I ALMOST made it to the end without being facetious.
 

NOV25

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1 Corinthians 7:10

10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

Does this verse mean, if a woman divorces her husband she must remain unmarried or remarry her husband?
This verse means you don't divorce anyone
To all those who comment on this topic let me remind you, it is not wise to counsel without understanding.
As stated previously, false divorce and remarriage doctrines cause much harm, perhaps more than any other (non-salvific) false doctrines.
Tread lightly, your counsel could contribute to needless suffering for the bride of Christ.
Flippant answers like the one above by @mustaphadrink show a lack of understanding scripture and carelessness with the bride. If we don’t have a cohesive understanding of certain doctrines let us answer carefully, perhaps with a caveat, or not answer at all.
 
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kaylagrl

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I agree with all those points.

I was being facetious about the headache. (But I really did go off and take a nap... On a couch though, not in a tree. But a couch doesn't fit the Lynx persona.)

I can phrase it in a serious, non-facetious manner, but it will take a lot more space. (Yes I CAN do serious when I want to. I just don't usually want to.)

Here goes:

All this argument and crap about divorce should serve as a lesson to us single people to be content. Being married opens a whole can of worms and leaves you open to heartbreak, divorce, drama and... basically a lot of stuff that ruins your digestion and keeps you from sleeping at night.

Watching the game from the sidelines, I've seen a lot come and I've seen a lot go. The ones who stay in the game seem to be the ones who happen to meet someone while they are living life. The people who run out and try to "find somebody" never seem to get relationships that last very long at all.

I have concluded it is better to just take a nap (in a tree!) and wait to see what life brings. If I wait years, decades, or if I never find somebody at all, it will be better than my odds of finding a good relationship by chasing it.

Besides, my voice breaks when I try to sing "I'm going through the big D, and don't mean Dallas" anyway. :p

Well shoot, I ALMOST made it to the end without being facetious.

Almost, humm I had a teacher who said "almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades." Don't know if that is correct, but I always thought she was the teacher with the best sense of humor I ever had. And then she would say "Meanwhile, back at the ranch"... I believe you are correct about looking for a relationship. I went through a short but very unhappy relationship with a person who was very immature and not in the least ready to commit, to me at least. It was my first serious relationship, first time I really put myself out there and got stung. I was feeling sorry for myself and having a boo hoo party when my mother said " I believe by next Christmas you will have someone special". Which was the last thing I wanted to hear, and I told her so. I was anti- relationship now. Well she must have prayed him in because by the next Christmas I met my husband. He was so genuine, straightforward and honest I felt he was someone I could put my trust in. When I told him how hurt I had been by the other person lying to me he simply said " Well that was a boy, I'm a man, and men don't act like that." Sold!! Rofl, next thing I was accepting a diamond ring and it's all history now ten years later.
 

Lynx

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Heh. "Well that was a boy, I'm a man and men don't act like that." Sounds like something I'd say. When the kids at work are acting like fools and people are getting upset with them, I shrug and say they'll grow up one day. Probably.

In the meantime this thread reminds me of an old saying: "Love is like a fart. If you have to push it, it's probably a turd."