Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?
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I appreciate your concern. It disturbs me that most on this forum belittle God's power, in the fact that they say it is God's will to deliver all mankind to everlasting heaven, and that man has the ability to keep God from doing his will.
Dan 4:35 says he has his will in the armies of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth, and none can stay his hand.
Matt 9:6 says that Jesus has power to forgive sins. If he choose to forgive all mankind their sins, then why dose he not?
Matt 28:18 - Jesus says that all power in given unto him in heaven and in earth.
John 17:2 - And thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
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That's amusing and perhaps in some cases true. But I personally have no problem defending all who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved as easily as and the Lord added daily to the church such as should be saved. That's why in threads like this if I feel led to share some insight to someone I believe is open to further understanding I'll share, but usually after a few posts I'll rarely engage.
I see very often how a singular belief can shape a person's whole perspective on a far reaching number of doctrines and individuals can take an exercise meant to stimulate and propagate the faith and turn it into one that divides and confuses the faith.
I'm all for healthy debate. But I draw my lines of division at truth, not people. And I can be edified in the simple truth of a child as easily as by the most renowned of scholars.
I noticed early on that it was commonplace here to put truth above people. While I am in no way denigrating the value of truth, I value more the people who hold it in varying degrees.
I see very often how a singular belief can shape a person's whole perspective on a far reaching number of doctrines and individuals can take an exercise meant to stimulate and propagate the faith and turn it into one that divides and confuses the faith.
I'm all for healthy debate. But I draw my lines of division at truth, not people. And I can be edified in the simple truth of a child as easily as by the most renowned of scholars.
I noticed early on that it was commonplace here to put truth above people. While I am in no way denigrating the value of truth, I value more the people who hold it in varying degrees.
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Nope for sure that’s the gospel
Im saying saying that doesn’t change or erase this in any way
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: …Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:22, 24 KJV
I'm saying what Jesus said comes with what Jesus did it doesn’t cancel out his word it’s the first part of the gospel we need to believe after of course believing who Jesus is we need to believe what he did , and we need to hear what he said will save our souls
“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”
James 1:21-22 KJV
we have to hear the gospel Jesus taught we don’t throw that out because he differed and died for us is what I’m saying
that doesn’t begin and end the gospel it’s something we need to always remember and believe ( that’s why we’re supposed to take communion when we come together in the right spirit breaking bread )
most certainly the gospel is centered upon Jesus birth , life as a man among us , his preaching and teaching all who believed him , the power of his word to command the wind and see , raise the dead , wither nature , command evil spirits , heal incurable disease , and his love is finally shown as he suffers as a sinner and dies having no sin of his own , doing that for all creation
“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
1 John 2:1-2 KJV
whoever isn’t too proud to let the lord teach them the truth all we have to do is realize “ what Jesus said is what Jesus said
Im saying saying that doesn’t change or erase this in any way
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: …Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:22, 24 KJV
I'm saying what Jesus said comes with what Jesus did it doesn’t cancel out his word it’s the first part of the gospel we need to believe after of course believing who Jesus is we need to believe what he did , and we need to hear what he said will save our souls
“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”
James 1:21-22 KJV
we have to hear the gospel Jesus taught we don’t throw that out because he differed and died for us is what I’m saying
that doesn’t begin and end the gospel it’s something we need to always remember and believe ( that’s why we’re supposed to take communion when we come together in the right spirit breaking bread )
most certainly the gospel is centered upon Jesus birth , life as a man among us , his preaching and teaching all who believed him , the power of his word to command the wind and see , raise the dead , wither nature , command evil spirits , heal incurable disease , and his love is finally shown as he suffers as a sinner and dies having no sin of his own , doing that for all creation
“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
1 John 2:1-2 KJV
whoever isn’t too proud to let the lord teach them the truth all we have to do is realize “ what Jesus said is what Jesus said
Jesus paid for all of mankinds sins, That all might be saved.
Yes God wants everyone to be saved.
But the choice is for us.
Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD,
choose you this day whom ye will serve;
whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Yes God wants everyone to be saved.
But the choice is for us.
Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD,
choose you this day whom ye will serve;
whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
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It boils down to those who reject what he said
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
That’s because they are enamored with the flesh like we all are before we acknolwedge our own sins we’re meant to share the truth of Jesus word so this can happen
“Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:19, 24-26 KJV
There’s nothing wrong with saying we’re saved by grace through faith that’s true , it’s wrong when we won’t acknolwedge Gods word and call it faith
everyone is a captive of sin and bound to death we can be saved by Jesus and the gospel
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
That’s because they are enamored with the flesh like we all are before we acknolwedge our own sins we’re meant to share the truth of Jesus word so this can happen
“Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:19, 24-26 KJV
There’s nothing wrong with saying we’re saved by grace through faith that’s true , it’s wrong when we won’t acknolwedge Gods word and call it faith
everyone is a captive of sin and bound to death we can be saved by Jesus and the gospel
My heart hurts for you.
The natural man can indeed read Scripture and not really see what God is trying to say. It's only by the Holy Spirit that things are revealed to us. But that doesn't mean that everything is obscured. The notion that the natural man has no idea about God is completely refuted by Scripture. There is no "regeneration" prior to Salvation like you seem to be putting out there... that's practically delusional, imho. There's only God giving nonbelievers glimpses of the human condition in regard to Almighty God, Truth. And I see that as Just and Merciful.
I agree with 1 Cor. 2:14 in that it tells us all how we are without Christ. I also see how this verse applies to you... but I'm sure you won't agree with that. Your man-made belief and false Gospel are blinding you to what is obvious to anyone... and I do believe that these verses that we've discussed are available to the natural man, Truth that is not obscured.
Praying for your eyes to be opened. Peace.
The natural man can indeed read Scripture and not really see what God is trying to say. It's only by the Holy Spirit that things are revealed to us. But that doesn't mean that everything is obscured. The notion that the natural man has no idea about God is completely refuted by Scripture. There is no "regeneration" prior to Salvation like you seem to be putting out there... that's practically delusional, imho. There's only God giving nonbelievers glimpses of the human condition in regard to Almighty God, Truth. And I see that as Just and Merciful.
I agree with 1 Cor. 2:14 in that it tells us all how we are without Christ. I also see how this verse applies to you... but I'm sure you won't agree with that. Your man-made belief and false Gospel are blinding you to what is obvious to anyone... and I do believe that these verses that we've discussed are available to the natural man, Truth that is not obscured.
Praying for your eyes to be opened. Peace.
Oh it’s common when I go back east the dagnabits and Al the well known ones
But then a lot of garbled English mixed with far away thoughts so you get some doozies
Sometimes , brother lol , because my hearing is t what it used to be to avoid all the hollerin I just smile and nod along like I understand what’s been said I try to “judge the mood “ of gestures so as to not make a “ foe paw”
But then a lot of garbled English mixed with far away thoughts so you get some doozies
Sometimes , brother lol , because my hearing is t what it used to be to avoid all the hollerin I just smile and nod along like I understand what’s been said I try to “judge the mood “ of gestures so as to not make a “ foe paw”
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You are as capable as any of following a conversation back through previous posts to see what was said. Why are you averse to doing so? Your stubbornness is as telling as your forgetfulness. It might be time to humble yourself, and admit you were wrong to claim John 6:37 said anything at all about the death of Jesus. Otherwise, you twist and misrepresent the Scriptures at your own peril. I did not read you wrong.
Why do you claim Scriptures says something it does not? John 6:37 ~
New International Version
All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.
New Living Translation
However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them.
English Standard Version
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
Berean Standard Bible
Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never drive away.
Berean Literal Bible
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one coming to Me, I shall not cast out.
King James Bible
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
New King James Version
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
Why do you claim Scriptures says something it does not? John 6:37 ~
New International Version
All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.
New Living Translation
However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them.
English Standard Version
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
Berean Standard Bible
Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never drive away.
Berean Literal Bible
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one coming to Me, I shall not cast out.
King James Bible
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
New King James Version
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
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Your funny brother
the actual reason is my fingers wrists and uncle Arthur . When my nephew was here last he knows I can’t actually type individually with my joints so he showed my how to use this sliding app on my on.n pad
aim able to type now by using that but can’t figure out auto correct I do apologize I can’t make much sense of it either sometimes but “ by the grace of god “said a wise man “I am what I am , and infirmity shall shine forth his glory “
the actual reason is my fingers wrists and uncle Arthur . When my nephew was here last he knows I can’t actually type individually with my joints so he showed my how to use this sliding app on my on.n pad
aim able to type now by using that but can’t figure out auto correct I do apologize I can’t make much sense of it either sometimes but “ by the grace of god “said a wise man “I am what I am , and infirmity shall shine forth his glory “
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