There are no clouds in Rev 19 or 20, it means His Coming was a different Event.

Reborn-Adopted · Dec 17, 2022

JESUS Fulfilled on The Cross and we are not doing 613 Mosaic Laws anymore. Why did JESUS Mention Heaven and Earth passing with It?

The Mosaic Age passed?

Matthew 5:18 KJV — For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Did Jerusalem not fall in 70 A.D. so The Son Of Man didn't Come in the clouds?

Luke 21:20 KJV — And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

[25] And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

[27] And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

[32-33] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

JESUS’ Words have not passed away …why would He Say this unless He was Talking about now …our Age after 70 A.D.? …It can’t be about the Afterlife because, of course, His Words would not pass away there.

Does "last days" not mean "last days"? Their generation included 70 A.D. It doesn't mean The Fruits of The SPIRIT suddenly stopped.

Acts 2:13-21 NKJV — Others mocking said, “They are full of new wine.” But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. “For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. “But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,

That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. And on My menservants and on My maidservants

I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy. I will show wonders in heaven above

And signs in the earth beneath: Blood and fire and vapor of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood,

Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD. And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the LORD Shall be saved.’

[Isa 2:2 KJV] And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

[1Pe 4:17 NKJV] For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?

[Psa 122:1 KJV] ...Let us go into the house of the LORD.

Why does This Say "but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."?
Has He not Appeared a Second Time yet for our SALVATION?

Hebrews 9:26-28 KJV — For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

1 Peter 1:19-20 KJV — But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Why did JESUS Say this if It wasn’t for their generation/Age:? The common explanation for this is The Transformation …but that was like a week later …no reason to be talking about death for that.

Matthew 16:28 KJV — Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

And even more curious ...why doesn't Luke Mention The Son Of Man? Was Matthew first Written to those before 70 A.D.?

Luke 9:27 KJV — But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Is Coming in a Cloud ...the same as Coming in His Kingdom?

There is a ton of Scripture Written before 70 A.D. where they knew something was at hand. JESUS has One Kingdom ...consider what people are claiming if they are saying The Kingdom isn't here yet!

[2Ti 4:1 KJV] I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐝𝐨𝐦;

There is no Scripture supporting a Spiritual Kingdom …and Then a physical Kingdom. Pharisees demanded a physical Kingdom to dominate.

The end of Rev 19 is Spiritual Warfare with JESUS Slaying with Righteousness.

Flesh of horses? This obviously wasn't being literal, it's hierarchy of the false church:

Revelation 19:18 KJV — That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

JESUS is Come so we don't do it in part anymore, we do it Fully!

1 Corinthians 13:9-10 KJV — For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

Born from Above/Heaven is being Born Again to your second man ...The Son Of Man in you. The Son Of Man Coming in the clouds is Key to having a sin rejecting conscience that doesn’t war with the flesh. So is there a connection between Him Coming in the clouds and Adoption?

You can't do this without The Age of The Son Of Man Adoption:

1 Corinthians 15:46-47 KJV — Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

John 3:13 KJV — And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

The Son Of Man is The Last Adam. We go from the corrupted image of Adam (we all choose our own will at some point) to The Holy Image of CHRIST (Rebirth-Adoption). It's what Chapter 1 Cor 15 is about.

1 Corinthians 15:49 KJV — And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

"all" as in people that were up for Adoption. Do you see how It can't be talking about The Second Resurrection where the wicked are Raised also?

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 KJV — Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Why do i care when The Son Of Man Came? Because It is Linked to when Adoption became available.

These Two Scriptures are the connection:

1 Corinthians 15:22-23 KJV — For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

[Rom 8:23 KJV] And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

What does "every man in his own order" mean? Could it be Ages with The Son Of Man Coming for the second one?

This sure sounds like something people in the generation of 70 A.D. would say. "since the fathers fell asleep"

2 Peter 3:3-4 KJV — Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Reborn-Adopted · Dec 17, 2022

Paul had a good conscience, but his flesh was waring against his spirit ...those of us Adopted don't deal with this today ...i'm not sitting here fighting urges to do something sexual or other flesh/death sin. i have CHRIST'S LIFE in me.

They had to wait... we don't. Fully Repent for a sin rejecting Image! Here is that Verse again.

[Rom 8:23 KJV] And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Paul was Saved with the flesh urges the false church still have ...but they are not Saved ...Adoption is here ...so what is their excuse?

The following isn't a thing for the Adopted. The Son Of Man has Come to Deal with this.

Romans 7:23-24 KJV — But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

“be come in” means to begin …start in the Greek!!! The Fulness of the Gentiles is our Age and it started in 70 A.D.

Romans 11:25 KJV For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

If you are Adopted and stopped your deliberate sins ...has This not happened yet:?

[26-27] — And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Does This not link Jerusalem to the destruction of Sodom:?

Revelation 11:8 KJV — And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which 𝘀𝗽𝗶𝗿𝗶𝘁𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝗶𝘀 𝗰𝗮𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗱 𝗦𝗼𝗱𝗼𝗺 and Egypt, 𝘄𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝗮𝗹𝘀𝗼 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗟𝗼𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗰𝗿𝘂𝗰𝗶𝗳𝗶𝗲𝗱.

Sodom had two Angels ...Jerusalem had Two Witnesses.
The Ascension had two men in white. They said He would Return in the same way He left ...in the clouds.
The two Angels at Sodom warned of the city's destruction. The Two Witnesses prophesied in the streets of The City.
Lot left before the destruction. Christians left before the destruction.

Luke 21:20 KJV — And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luke 21:27 KJV — 𝗔𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗻 𝘀𝗵𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝘀𝗲𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗦𝗼𝗻 𝗼𝗳 𝗺𝗮𝗻 𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗶𝗻 𝗮 𝗰𝗹𝗼𝘂𝗱 with power and great glory.

Luke 17:28-30 NKJV — Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; [29] but 𝗼𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗮𝘆 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗟𝗼𝘁 𝘄𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗼𝗳 𝗦𝗼𝗱𝗼𝗺 it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. [30] 𝗘𝘃𝗲𝗻 𝘀𝗼 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗶𝘁 𝗯𝗲 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗮𝘆 𝘄𝗵𝗲𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗦𝗼𝗻 𝗼𝗳 𝗠𝗮𝗻 𝗶𝘀 𝗿𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗮𝗹𝗲𝗱.

1 Peter 4:7 KJV — But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

Reborn-Adopted · Dec 17, 2022

Why do we need literal Glorified bodies for The Final Judgment? We either physically die in a compatible state for the Afterlife …or we don’t. If you are Adopted, is your flesh waring against your spirit from Heaven? i just don't think so. the false church wants this ability to Not be available right now ...so that they can have an excuse to continue in flesh sin.

Paul said JESUS will Save him into His Kingdom ...The Kingdom didn't have Adoption yet.

[2Ti 4:18 KJV] And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐞 ((𝐒𝐚𝐯𝐞)) 𝐦𝐞 𝐮𝐧𝐭𝐨 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐝𝐨𝐦: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Romans 13:11 KJV — And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗻𝗼𝘄 𝗶𝘀 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝘀𝗮𝗹𝘃𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗻𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗲𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝗻 𝘄𝗵𝗲𝗻 𝘄𝗲 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗶𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗱.

Please understand, i don't think The Book of Revelation is over ...but i do think we are in Chapter 19. The false church isn’t in the lake of fire yet.
Does Righteous Flesh inherit The Kingdom of GOD?

Philippians 1:23-24 KJV — For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

1 Corinthians 15:50 — Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

[Luk 17:20-21 KJV] And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

the broken with no place were Ages. i think there is going to be an Age of a thousand years without the false church.

Daniel 2:35 KJV — Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

Revelation 20:11 NKJV — Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.

World and Age is often the same thing. We are that world to come.

[Eph 2:7 KJV] That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

[Col 1:26 KJV] Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

[Mat 12:32 KJV] And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

[Luk 18:30 KJV] Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.

[Heb 2:5 KJV] For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.

[Heb 6:5 KJV] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

[Eph 1:21 KJV] Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

Reborn-Adopted · Dec 17, 2022

a dead conscience/spirit makes choices with a hardened heart ...it is the humanitarian/worldly level ...when you Raise to The Living Reborn Image, you are in a sin rejecting level.

If you have a sin rejecting conscience you have a body fashioned like His Glorified Body ...His Image.

A Living Conscience is a Living spirit. It only eats from The Tree of LIFE. It only chooses what GOD'S Will would choose. You don't have one if you haven't Fully Repented (Deny yourself future sins) ...because you haven't Raised with Him to The Reborn Image. You remain in the following type of image:

[Rev 13:14 KJV] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

[Rev 13:15 KJV] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

JESUS had a wound by a sword and did LIVE. An image of JESUS’ Death is an image of death …the beast. They gave “life” to JESUS’ Death!!! to excuse their new sins. They are worshiping death trying to freeze time while JESUS was dead to make Him a minister of sin. they will do literally anything but join Him in His Death to Raise to The Living Side of The Cross.

[Gal 2:17-18 KJV] But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

If you don’t worship it, you are killed …Rebirth requires a death of your worldly man:

[Rom 6:5-8 KJV] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

[6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

[7] For he that is dead is freed from sin.

[8] Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

His Glorious Body that you want to Form to is His Image. the false church death image is described right before The Reborn Image of LIFE. Stop waiting for magic bodies in the future to stop sinning:

Philippians 3

[18] (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

[19] Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

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[20] For our conversation (("Authority/citizenship")) is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

[21] Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself

"Fashioned like" and "Conformed" is the same Greek word here!:

Romans 8:29

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Reborn-Adopted · Dec 17, 2022

two horns LIKE A LAMB.

the mark has already been available ever since the second beast went into effect …the false prophet is the false church. GOD couldn’t Say “false church” …because then it wouldn’t be a thing today and Free Will has to remain.

the buying and selling is buying and selling in the false church …excuses to continue in sin …you can’t buy or sell unless you are in the false church.

those not in it are killed …it’s Rebirth …Romans 6:6

Premills say an "antichrist" has a covenant in the Daniel Scripture below ...how? That was JESUS' Covenant. And “antichrist” isn’t in the Book of Revelation. it’s to pretend that the beast isn’t rome. the second beast has us worship the first beast (rome) …man’s doctrine of power and control via a minister of sin.

It all comes down to this "and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;" ...they think some evil prince did this.

They don't get that, one, JESUS Said there would be no stone unturned because they didn't know about the time of His Visitation. (Luke 19:44)

And two, JESUS is a Prince. (Rev 1:5)

And three, JESUS Did this: "cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" ...hello? good grief.

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This was the Announcement in the OT that The MESSIAH was going to Arrive:

[Dan 9:24 KJV]

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

[Dan 9:25 KJV]

Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

[Dan 9:26 KJV]

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

[Dan 9:27 KJV]

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

You can’t have an antichrist ending without his own covenant. People that call themselves Jews today do not own the land where a Temple goes. The Mosaic Age is over, there are no authentic Jews to convert for end times either. JESUS Made it impossible to be an authentic Jew anymore without real Atonement, High Priest, or Temple.

Amos 8:2-3 KJV — And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The END is come upon MY PEOPLE of Israel; I WILL NOT AGAIN PASS BY THEM ANY MORE. And the songs of the temple shall be howlings in that day, saith the Lord GOD: there shall be many dead bodies in every place; they shall cast them forth with silence.

JESUS already Gave the physical Jewish Kingdom to The Father:

[1Co 15:24 KJV] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Reborn-Adopted · Dec 17, 2022

the false church kisses JESUS on the Cheek like Judas did. the son/man of perdition has been revealed. it’s people that call themselves Christians but live in sin. We are supposed to be GOD’S Temples now.

[Mat 15:8 NKJV] 'These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. (Isa 29:13)

Do you think JESUS is going to physically be here if satan is loosed in Rev 20 and can deceive again?
Orphans became Adopted.

John 14:18-19 NKJV — “I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you. “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also.

John 14:22-24 NKJV — Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?” Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. “He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.

JESUS Through His Saints:

[Jde 1:14-16 KJV] And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

[15] To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

[16] These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

JESUS Said John would live until He Came Back.

John 21:22

Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.

They did all see The Truth when GOD allowed The Temple to fall. Those that pierced Him were around in 70 A.D.

[Rev 1:7 KJV] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

NotmebutHim · Dec 17, 2022

oyster67 · Dec 18, 2022

Magnum Manifesto!

Welcome to CC, @Reborn-Adopted

Soooo... When do you believe the fulness of the Gentiles will be come in? When will Israel's eyes be opened?
(past, present, or future?)

notonmywatch · Dec 18, 2022

Ted01 · Dec 18, 2022

Reborn-Adopted · Dec 18, 2022

oyster67 said:

Wait, you actually read all six posts? i'm impressed, thank you for taking the time.

Israel's eyes were opened in 70 A.D. when GOD allowed The Temple to fall. There was no mistaking that they had messed up.

titus ordered an abomination of desecration (go to 38 minutes in):

oyster67 · Dec 18, 2022

Reborn-Adopted said:

Fascinating! You seem to be an astute student of history. I had heard of Antiochus Epiphanes' abomination, but not this one.

I believe a future temple will also be desecrated in the middle of what we call the future seven-year Tribulation. Do you believe this also?

Reborn-Adopted · Dec 19, 2022

oyster67 said:

This is one area my own Church doesn't currently agree with me on. i think something is going to happen ...but not for 7 years ...for one, there was only 3.5 years left in Daniel's 70 Weeks. But anyways ...i think the false church is about to end for a thousand years ...and then satan is loosed to start another.

TheLearner · Dec 19, 2022