Is The Earth Flat Or Round?

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Is The Earth Flat Or Round?


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kinda

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Sorry, my apologies... I associated the idea of the Earth being on pillars with your assertion that it was in a fixed position.

Anyway, yeah... good to meet you too!

Of course.

1 Samuel 2:8 He raises up the poor from the dust; he lifts the needy from the ash heap to make them sit with princes and inherit a seat of honor. For the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and on them he has set the world.

I think this verse was hinted at me in another post, and I said, who ever said the earth was on pillars? Well, it looks like 1 Samuel 2:8 has stated this. It would of been nice, if the poster who asked me about the Pillars, at least directed to me to the Bible verse.

How many people know every Bible reference?!?! Sorry, I don't. That's why I make a habit of quoting scripture, so readers know what I'm referring to.

So, I listed 1 Samuel 2:8, so we can all take a look at it, and left some commentary on it from a website, as well as the other verses, that hint of a stationary earth, and moving sun.

He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them. 1 Samuel 2:8


Anyways, I really didn't know what 1 Samuel 2:8 meant regarding the pillars, so looked it up in a commentary:

1 Samuel 2:8. He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, &c. — From the most mean estate and sordid place. To set them among princes — Instance Joseph, David, and Daniel. To make them inherit the throne of glory — That is, a glorious throne or kingdom; not only to possess it themselves, but to transmit it to their posterity, as the word inherit implies. For the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s — The foundations which God created and upholds, and wherewith he sustains the earth and all its inhabitants, as a house is supported with pillars. These words signify the reason of all that is contained in the five preceding verses. For the very earth being founded, upheld, and supported by the Lord, it is no wonder that all the inhabitants of it are in his power, so that he can dispose of them as he pleases.

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_samuel/2-8.htm


Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. Psalm 104:5

Psalm 104:5. Who laid the foundations of the earth — Hebrew, יסד ארצ על מכוניה, jasad eretz gnal mechoneah, who hath founded the earth upon its own bases, or foundations, that is, upon itself, or its own centre of gravity, by which it is self-balanced, and by which it stands as fast and immoveable as if it were built upon the strongest foundation imaginable, which is a most stupendous work of divine wisdom and power; that it should not be removed — Out of its proper place; for ever — Or, till the end of time, when it must give way to the new earth. “God,” says Dr. Hammond, “has fixed so strange a place for the earth, that, being a heavy body, one would think it should fall every moment: and yet, which way so- ever we should imagine it to stir, it must, contrary to the nature of such a body, fall upward, and so can have no possible ruin, but by tumbling into heaven,” namely, which surrounds it on all sides.

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/psalms/104-5.htm

The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises. Ecclesiastes 1:5

Ecclesiastes 1:5-6. The sun also riseth — The sun is in perpetual motion, rising, setting, and rising again, and so constantly repeating its course in all succeeding days, and years, and ages; and the like he observes concerning the winds and rivers,

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/ecclesiastes/1-5.htm


Joshua 10:12-14
At that time Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, “Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.” And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day. There has been no day like it before or since, when the Lord heeded the voice of a man, for the Lord fought for Israel.

Joshua 10:12. Then spake Joshua — Being moved so to do out of zeal to destroy God’s enemies, and directed by the motion of God’s Spirit, and being filled with a holy confidence, that what he said would be accomplished. And he spake it in the sight — That is, in the presence and audience; of all Israel — That they might be witnesses of the fact. Sun, stand thou still — Joshua does not speak according to the terms of modern astronomy, which it would have been highly improper for him to have done, as he would not have been understood by the people that heard him, but according to the appearance of things.

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/joshua/10-12.htm
 

kinda

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What I've learned here is that Flerthers- after all their demands to be taken seriously, have 2 basic arguments.

1 We are flat-earthers & we say so.
2 You're a Satanist.

I think I'll go back to just laughing at the absurdity of it & hope God reveals truth to them in his timing.
We are quickly running out of 2022. FE debate is probably not the best way to begin the new year. :censored:
I said this before, they basically watch a Eric Dubay youtube video, quote what he said, the pictures that he used, and post it. I showed proof of this earlier in the thread, and this isn't the first time, it's on going for other threads.

When ask for clarification, it's a big giant sucking sound, because Eric Dubay isn't available for questioning, so his followers don't know what to respond. It's like talking to a wall.


Flat Earth isn't even worth discussing, since it doesn't even have a model that supports, Eric Dubay's view. It's a conspiracy theory!

Flat Earth has been proven false, until a flat earth model can be created to support it, and the numerous other points, that make flat earth unbelievable.



 

RaceRunner

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I've never believed evolution, even as a non-Christian. There is more evidence for evolution than there is for flat earth. The curvature of the earth is, and has been observed for thousands of years. I've observed it myself, at sea. I know from my work with microwaves that the earth is curved. Radar proves it conclusively. Millions, if not billions of people have to lie about the globe earth, if it is indeed flat.
The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government “space agencies” show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

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RaceRunner

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For the umpteenth time- The continuous day/night & annual cycle. Described in detail, Gen 1:14-19
FE makes a mockery of it. I have not yet encountered a FE believer who has a heart to see the beauty in God's creation.
Quoting Gabrielle Henriet, “The theory of the rotation of the earth may once and for all be definitely disposed of as impracticable by pointing out the following inadvertence. It is said that the rotation takes twenty-four hours and that its speed is uniform, in which case, necessarily, days and nights should have an identical duration of twelve hours each all the year round. The sun should invariably rise in the morning and set in the evening at the same hours, with the result that it would be the equinox every day from the 1st of January to the 31st of December. One should stop and reflect on this before saying that the earth has a movement of rotation. How does the system of gravitation account for the seasonal variations in the lengths of days and nights if the earth rotates at a uniform speed in twenty-four hours!?”

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kinda

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Quoting Gabrielle Henriet, “The theory of the rotation of the earth may once and for all be definitely disposed of as impracticable by pointing out the following inadvertence. It is said that the rotation takes twenty-four hours and that its speed is uniform, in which case, necessarily, days and nights should have an identical duration of twelve hours each all the year round. The sun should invariably rise in the morning and set in the evening at the same hours, with the result that it would be the equinox every day from the 1st of January to the 31st of December. One should stop and reflect on this before saying that the earth has a movement of rotation. How does the system of gravitation account for the seasonal variations in the lengths of days and nights if the earth rotates at a uniform speed in twenty-four hours!?”

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I think Gabrielle Henriet might of been on the right track here, but I think the Heliocentric Model tilts the earth, then with the circular orbit, explains the seasons. The globalist will be eventually be proven wrong, I really do believe this, but it will take some time, before I can explain it away with ease. It's pretty complicated stuff to be honest.

See video below for globalist model of seasons...




Here is an explanation of the moon cycles in the globalist system.




I posted this video before, but no one bothered to respond to it. This might be brushed off as another NASA magic moment, not entirely sure, but I think Jake makes a good point, even though he comes off as a zealot....He also a flat earther. I'm not saying flat earthers don't make good points once in awhile, it's just that they have so many other bad ideas, it's hard to take them serious.


 

kinda

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Rough sketch of Concave Earth Model. There is a better one out there, but it's done by a crazy person, so it's not appropriate for CC, but this one won't insult anyone I believe.

The sun would be higher up in the Northern Hemisphere in the Summer and lower in the Southern Hemisphere during winter.


 

Moses_Young

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Did you read what you wrote before committing it to post?

Just because a theory doesn't exist doesn't make it false?

Also, if a theory is incomplete then it is false due to its incompleteness not qualifying as theory.


Theory

1: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena .
As I've stated, but won't continue to waste words restating, an observation doesn't need a theory to be true. A theory is required where the claim doesn't meet observation (e.g. heliocentricity, where the Earth appears stable and flat with the sun moving around it, but the claim is that Earth is really a ball shape, moving faster than we can imagine around the sun which is stationary). For observations, a theory is unessential.

What's the matter? NASA claims there are 2 earths?
As usual, we are expected to believe this has something to do with NASA "because a flat earther says so"
There are thousands of pictures of earth from before & after the age of computer imaging.
Satellites & The International Space Station are in constant orbit.

If flat earth is a certainty and only flerthers can be trusted, let them do some 'real' imaging of their own.
Let Flat Earth Society crowdfund a small satellite and get some visual evidence.
If NASA claimed, at different times, that both of those photographs are of Earth, then one is forced to one of two logical conclusions, given the photographs are different:

1) The continent of America increased significantly in size over the 30 odd years between the claims;
2) NASA lied about at least one of the photographs.

Given I dismiss 1 as not being consistent with reality, I am forced to the conclusion that NASA lied on at least one occasion. (There are many more such photos claimed by NASA at different times, all different, which are evidence of numerous lies, but only one NASA lie is required to make my point).

Now, if the only irrefutable evidence for Earth being a ball are photographs provided by NASA and similarly-funded (military-type) space agencies whose "evidence" cannot be independently verified (also note that testability and repeatability of claims is a core tenet of real science), it is quite valid and indeed sensible to reject these claims on the basis that NASA has already been exposed as an organisation which engages in lies and deception. Without the photographic evidence from NASA showing Earth to be a ball-shape, the evidence we are left with is quite consistent with Earth being flat.
 

Gideon300

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Really? :confused:.... Wouldn't it need to have pressure coming out it's bottom? :oops:
Pressure is exerted equally. You can easily prove it by evacuating a plastic bottle and sealing up again. The bottle collapses into a triangular shape. It does not depend on the orientation of the bottle. Air pressure is equal all around us. Just as well. Differences in pressure on the body could have very nasty effects.

Since the pressure is equal, an object that exceeds the density of air could "fall" in any direction. Gravity is a powerful thing. As the Air Forces say, "We've not left a pilot up there yet". Gravity disproves flat earth.
The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government “space agencies” show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

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Baloney. I given more proofs of the globe earth than I care to count. How about answering the question of why things fall back to earth. FE has no explanation. How about why microwaves can only travel a short distance before the curvature of the earth blocks them? FE has no explanation. Why does the moon look the same size at the same time of day anywhere on earth? FE has no explanation. Why do storms in the southern hemisphere rotate in the opposite direction the the Northern hemisphere? FE has no explanation. The only mystery to me is why FE people can remain so deluded in the face of overwhelming evidence against FE beliefs.
 

Gideon300

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Are you?









What bigotry.
You are calling God's creation, which he said was good, a lie of Satan.

I'm sorry you have become indoctrinated with such foolishness.
He also calls Christians, who were eyewitness to the globe earth, liars. God does not take kindly to slanderous accusations against the elect.
 

Gideon300

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As I've stated, but won't continue to waste words restating, an observation doesn't need a theory to be true. A theory is required where the claim doesn't meet observation (e.g. heliocentricity, where the Earth appears stable and flat with the sun moving around it, but the claim is that Earth is really a ball shape, moving faster than we can imagine around the sun which is stationary). For observations, a theory is unessential.

If NASA claimed, at different times, that both of those photographs are of Earth, then one is forced to one of two logical conclusions, given the photographs are different:

1) The continent of America increased significantly in size over the 30 odd years between the claims;
2) NASA lied about at least one of the photographs.

Given I dismiss 1 as not being consistent with reality, I am forced to the conclusion that NASA lied on at least one occasion. (There are many more such photos claimed by NASA at different times, all different, which are evidence of numerous lies, but only one NASA lie is required to make my point).

Now, if the only irrefutable evidence for Earth being a ball are photographs provided by NASA and similarly-funded (military-type) space agencies whose "evidence" cannot be independently verified (also note that testability and repeatability of claims is a core tenet of real science), it is quite valid and indeed sensible to reject these claims on the basis that NASA has already been exposed as an organisation which engages in lies and deception. Without the photographic evidence from NASA showing Earth to be a ball-shape, the evidence we are left with is quite consistent with Earth being flat.
More baloney. Do you not know that slander is one of the 10 commandments? It's as wicked as adultery. Most people will just laugh at you and get on with life. God will not. He holds you responsible for your words.
 

Moses_Young

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More baloney. Do you not know that slander is one of the 10 commandments? It's as wicked as adultery. Most people will just laugh at you and get on with life. God will not. He holds you responsible for your words.
Are you including Buzz Aldrin among those you accuse me of slandering? 'Cause Buzz Aldrin admitted he didn't go to the moon. So not really slander in his case. ;-)

But that would make it slander in your case, for accusing me of slander. ;-)
 

Cameron143

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Don't mind me. I just check in on this thread from time to time to stock up on aluminum foil and insults that reference the Bible. Carry on.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Don't mind me. I just check in on this thread from time to time to stock up on aluminum foil and insults that reference the Bible. Carry on.
every once in awhile i notice someone drops this and leaves lol

“For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

kinda

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Don't mind me. I just check in on this thread from time to time to stock up on aluminum foil and insults that reference the Bible. Carry on.

So, it was you who took all the aluminum foil?!?! tisk tisk lol

Yeah, Cameron makes a good point, people need to relax, or a moderator is gonna shut this thread down.

 

Pilgrimshope

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Yes - absolutely!

God says the earth is motionless/stationary - and, I believe it!

God says the earth is sitting on pillars - and, I believe it!

(Shall I go on, or has my point been made?)

Now - how about you...???
Do you think the Webb and Hubble telescopes are hoax’s ? And the lunar travel ? I remember when they landed on the moon my granny thought it was a hoax

Is that what you’re saying ?
 

Cameron143

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every once in awhile i notice someone drops this and leaves lol

“For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Noted. Have added it to my list.
 

Cameron143

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So, it was you who took all the aluminum foil?!?! tisk tisk lol

Yeah, Cameron makes a good point, people need to relax, or a moderator is gonna shut this thread down.

My aluminum foil collection pales in comparison to my rock collection.
 

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So, it was you who took all the aluminum foil?!?! tisk tisk lol

Yeah, Cameron makes a good point, people need to relax, or a moderator is gonna shut this thread down.

Oh, and I forgot...kudos always go to anyone who uses sound effects.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Noted. Have added it to my list.
I just have done the same thing you said observe this thread once in awhile and notice someone will leave that verse and disappear every so often it happens regularly I thought it was funny