WHY ARE PEOPLE RUNNING FROM HIS WORD?

[Avinu]

God has blessed us with so many beautiful things, His Commandments to teach the difference between right and wrong. The 7 Feasts to show us how to celebrate Him and Yeshua. But all I see people do in the church and here on cc. is find one reason or another why not to.

My question is why are so many trying to find a loop hole to get out of keeping something so precious and blessed from our Creator who sent His Son to die a horrible death for us?
We should be jumping at the chance to keep anything God has in His Word. The church has taught for so many centuries that these things are burdens, when in fact they are beautiful and glorious. WHY ARE PEOPLE RUNNING FROM HIS WORD. It doesn't make sense, everyone wants the salvation, they want the free grace and mercy, but no one wants the responsibility. How selfish is that?
Who are we to tell God what we will keep and won't?!!! The funny thing is, is that so many try to use God's Word to disprove God's Word, that's about the most arrogant, ignorant and pompous thing anyone can do!!!

If Yeshua was here He would say "You hypocrits, you scoffers, broad of vipers and den of thieves, your father the devil has blinded you to the truth. I know you not you workers of iniquity."
There's a difference between debating over the Word and just plain changing it to your liking, the latter happens alot in here.

Here's a warning, Those who continue to twist, take away, add and anything else, to justify your life, are treading such dangerous ground. May God have mercy on you. Hopefully He will allow your eyes to be open before it's too late for you. God will only allow you to trample His Word so much before He is done and deals with you.

To those in here that it is clear ARE trying to spread God's Word the way it says, may you be Bessed and strengthened in all you do. Continue to fight the good fight, be bold and confident in all the Word.

Shalom, Avinu

 

[zone]

God has blessed us with so many beautiful things, His Commandments to teach the difference between right and wrong. The 7 Feasts to show us how to celebrate Him and Yeshua. But all I see people do in the church and here on cc. is find one reason or another why not to.

My question is why are so many trying to find a loop hole to get out of keeping something so precious and blessed from our Creator who sent His Son to die a horrible death for us?
We should be jumping at the chance to keep anything God has in His Word. The church has taught for so many centuries that these things are burdens, when in fact they are beautiful and glorious. WHY ARE PEOPLE RUNNING FROM HIS WORD. It doesn't make sense, everyone wants the salvation, they want the free grace and mercy, but no one wants the responsibility. How selfish is that?
Who are we to tell God what we will keep and won't?!!! The funny thing is, is that so many try to use God's Word to disprove God's Word, that's about the most arrogant, ignorant and pompous thing anyone can do!!!

If Yeshua was here He would say "You hypocrits, you scoffers, broad of vipers and den of thieves, your father the devil has blinded you to the truth. I know you not you workers of iniquity."
There's a difference between debating over the Word and just plain changing it to your liking, the latter happens alot in here.

Here's a warning, Those who continue to twist, take away, add and anything else, to justify your life, are treading such dangerous ground. May God have mercy on you. Hopefully He will allow your eyes to be open before it's too late for you. God will only allow you to trample His Word so much before He is done and deals with you.

To those in here that it is clear ARE trying to spread God's Word the way it says, may you be Bessed and strengthened in all you do. Continue to fight the good fight, be bold and confident in all the Word.

Shalom, Avinu

Jesus said that TO PHARISEES avinu!
PLEASE do not use that on my brothers in Christ.

Acts 2:42
They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.

Acts 15:10
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?

please show me CLEARLY and without any contradiction whatsoever that the Apostles taught gentiles to keep Mosaic Sabbath.

 

[Avinu]

please show me CLEARLY and without any contradiction whatsoever that the Apostles taught gentiles to keep Mosaic Sabbath.

Zone, show me where it doesn't. So are you claiming scriptural contradictions now? I've shown ample verses of Yeshua and the disciples keeping Sabbath and verses about people " preparing for Sabbath as is the Commandment" so you go ahead and keep trying to convince yourself whatever it is you need to argue, the Word is clear except to those who don't want to see it.

 

[Consumed]

Jesus is here brother, hasn't left us and He says I condemn you not, judgement day isn't here yet. Let the holy spirit sanctify people, what someone struggles with can be freed tomorrow next week nxt year meantime it's the gospel of the good news not condemnation.

 

[Consumed]

Zone, show me where it doesn't. So are you claiming scriptural contradictions now? I've shown ample verses of Yeshua and the disciples keeping Sabbath and verses about people " preparing for Sabbath as is the Commandment" so you go ahead and keep trying to convince yourself whatever it is you need to argue, the Word is clear except to those who don't want to see it.

Jesus hadn't got to the cross yet so law was in place live and active, of course Jesus kept the sabbath

 

[Avinu]

Jesus hadn't got to the cross yet so law was in place live and active, of course Jesus kept the sabbath

This post isn't just about Sabbath, it's about Torah, God's Commandments, Feasts. etc. With that said, so are you saying, after Yeshua died on the cross, that Sabbath became obsolete? Then why are the disciples still keeping it in later scriptures? There is a big hole in your claim here.

 

[Consumed]

This post isn't just about Sabbath, it's about Torah, God's Commandments, Feasts. etc. With that said, so are you saying, after Yeshua died on the cross, that Sabbath became obsolete? Then why are the disciples still keeping it in later scriptures? There is a big hole in your claim here.

Is the sabbath a religious practice or the day of rest, entering into that which Father God had promised thru Jesus. Doesn't scripture say if one holds to one point of the law he is indebted to keep it all but then has clearly demonstrated for us that we can't cause the law is there to show us our weakeness. Are you perfect in ever way as to what the law says, every thought every action or does grace cover you when you fall short.

 

[Avinu]

Is the sabbath a religious practice or the day of rest, entering into that which Father God had promised thru Jesus. Doesn't scripture say if one holds to one point of the law he is indebted to keep it all but then has clearly demonstrated for us that we can't cause the law is there to show us our weakeness. Are you perfect in ever way as to what the law says, every thought every action or does grace cover you when you fall short.

1) The Sabbath is a commanded day of Rest in Him. 2) Are you saying that the Ten Commandments are done away with? Even the churches teach to keep them even though they don't. 3) Yes, we do fall short, that's why we have Grace, but that's not an excuse to not keep His Torah. Show me one place in scripture that says since Yeshua died for us, we are now off the hook and can do what we want.

 

[zone]

This post isn't just about Sabbath, it's about Torah, God's Commandments, Feasts. etc. With that said, so are you saying, after Yeshua died on the cross, that Sabbath became obsolete? Then why are the disciples still keeping it in later scriptures? There is a big hole in your claim here.

please post the passages in context that show the disciples keeping Mosaic sabbath Avinu.

 

[loveschild]

This post isn't just about Sabbath, it's about Torah, God's Commandments, Feasts. etc. With that said, so are you saying, after Yeshua died on the cross, that Sabbath became obsolete? Then why are the disciples still keeping it in later scriptures? There is a big hole in your claim here.

1. John 5:16
   For this reason the Jews began to persecute (annoy, torment) Jesus and sought to kill Him, because He was doing these things on the Sabbath.
   John 5:15-17 (in Context) John 5 (Whole Chapter)
2. John 5:18
   This made the Jews more determined than ever to kill Him [to do away with Him]; because He not only was breaking (weakening, violating) the Sabbath, but He actually was speaking of God as being [in a special sense] His own Father, making Himself equal [putting Himself on a level] with God.
   John 5:17-19 (in Context) John 5 (Whole Chapter)

You are telling us to be like these Jews. Every few months one of you lost souls come in here telling us to go back to the curse of the law.

1. Galatians 2:19
   For I through the Law [under the operation of the curse of the Law] have [in Christ's death for me] myself died to the Law and all the Law's demands upon me, so that I may [henceforth] live to and for God.
   Galatians 2:18-20 (in Context) Galatians 2 (Whole Chapter)
2. Galatians 3:10
   And all who depend on the Law [who are seeking to be justified by obedience to the Law of rituals] are under a curse and doomed to disappointment and destruction, for it is written in the Scriptures, Cursed (accursed, devoted to destruction, doomed to eternal punishment) be everyone who does not continue to abide (live and remain) by all the precepts and commands written in the Book of the Law and to practice them.
   Galatians 3:9-11 (in Context) Galatians 3 (Whole Chapter)
3. Galatians 3:13
   Christ purchased our freedom [redeeming us] from the curse (doom) of the Law [and its condemnation] by [Himself] becoming a curse for us, for it is written [in the Scriptures], Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree (is crucified);
   Galatians 3:12-14 (in Context) Galatians 3 (Whole Chapter)

 

[Avinu]

Loveschild, I won't even discuss with you scripture, because I have read your stuff, and you're the picture of tickling the ear. So you I have nothing to say.

 

[Consumed]

1) The Sabbath is a commanded day of Rest in Him. 2) Are you saying that the Ten Commandments are done away with? Even the churches teach to keep them even though they don't. 3) Yes, we do fall short, that's why we have Grace, but that's not an excuse to not keep His Torah. Show me one place in scripture that says since Yeshua died for us, we are now off the hook and can do what we want.

Brother you know in Romans it says it doesn't give us a liscence to sin, romans 3/4/5/6/7/8 great study on law, purpose of the law and grace grace abounding that thru out our sanctification we know the requirement of the law be broken had been fulfilled, no condemnation hanging over us, grace empowering us thru the sanctification and stripping away of self. See when you say Torah it's just not ten commandments but over 600 precepts too that go with it, can't pick and choose. The last part of your post is really quite funny, as if.
Blessings, sanctification is a process brother not MacDonalds drive thru, main thing is we be mindful of carrying our cross daily cause there is going to be something to die to in that day.
Shalom

 

[Avinu]

please post the passages in context that show the disciples keeping Mosaic sabbath Avinu.

Zone, all the NT scripture that proves Sabbath is in my thread "KEEPING GOD'S SABBATH, NOT MAN'S SABBATH" So I would recommend re reading it. And it's NOT mosaic Sabbath, it is YHWH's Sabbath, or is scripture lying when it says "He is Lord of Sabbath?"

 

[Avinu]

Brother you know in Romans it says it doesn't give us a liscence to sin, romans 3/4/5/6/7/8 great study on law, purpose of the law and grace grace abounding that thru out our sanctification we know the requirement of the law be broken had been fulfilled, no condemnation hanging over us, grace empowering us thru the sanctification and stripping away if self. See when you say Torah it's just not ten commandments but over 600 precepts too that go with it, can't pick and choose. The last part of your post is really quite funny, as if.
Blessings, sanctification is a process brother not MacDonalds drive thru, main thing is we be mindful of carrying our cross daily cause there is going to be something to die to in that day.
Shalom

Answer the question, is the Ten Commandments done away with? yes or no

 

[Consumed]

Loveschild, I won't even discuss with you scripture, because I have read your stuff, and you're the picture of tickling the ear. So you I have nothing to say.

Brother the scriptures she posted are good solid points of the law and it being dealt with. Can't mix law and grace, we come under the abrahamic covenant, before the mosaic covenant because of Jesus and the fulfilling the obligations of the law.
I hope you humble yourself and make an effort to apologize for your disrespect to her brother.

 

[Avinu]

Brother the scriptures she posted are good solid points of the law and it being dealt with. Can't mix law and grace, we come under the abrahamic covenant, before the mosaic covenant because of Jesus and the fulfilling the obligations of the law.
I hope you humble yourself and make an effort to apologize for your disrespect to her brother. /QUOTE]

If you think I disrespected her that your view. But it wasn't meant as that. But I'm noticing that you are still avoiding the question, so I'll ask one more time. Are the Ten Commandments done away with? It's real simple yes, or no?

 

[Consumed]

Answer the question, is the Ten Commandments done away with? yes or no

Jesus gave two commandments, love God with all, love thy neighbor in doing so the law is fulfilled.

 

[Avinu]

1. John 5:16
   For this reason the Jews began to persecute (annoy, torment) Jesus and sought to kill Him, because He was doing these things on the Sabbath.
   John 5:15-17 (in Context) John 5 (Whole Chapter)
2. John 5:18
   This made the Jews more determined than ever to kill Him [to do away with Him]; because He not only was breaking (weakening, violating) the Sabbath, but He actually was speaking of God as being [in a special sense] His own Father, making Himself equal [putting Himself on a level] with God.
   John 5:17-19 (in Context) John 5 (Whole Chapter)

You are telling us to be like these Jews. Every few months one of you lost souls come in here telling us to go back to the curse of the law.

1. Galatians 2:19
   For I through the Law [under the operation of the curse of the Law] have [in Christ's death for me] myself died to the Law and all the Law's demands upon me, so that I may [henceforth] live to and for God.
   Galatians 2:18-20 (in Context) Galatians 2 (Whole Chapter)
2. Galatians 3:10
   And all who depend on the Law [who are seeking to be justified by obedience to the Law of rituals] are under a curse and doomed to disappointment and destruction, for it is written in the Scriptures, Cursed (accursed, devoted to destruction, doomed to eternal punishment) be everyone who does not continue to abide (live and remain) by all the precepts and commands written in the Book of the Law and to practice them.
   Galatians 3:9-11 (in Context) Galatians 3 (Whole Chapter)
3. Galatians 3:13
   Christ purchased our freedom [redeeming us] from the curse (doom) of the Law [and its condemnation] by [Himself] becoming a curse for us, for it is written [in the Scriptures], Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree (is crucified);
   Galatians 3:12-14 (in Context) Galatians 3 (Whole Chapter)

Just for the sake of arguement, I'll answer this.

1)The verses in John are the parushim, they didn't like Yeshua mocking there man made laws, He was making them look like the liars they were.

2)I love how she feels comfortable adding to Gal. 2:19 making it look like it's part of scripture.
In a nutshell to the rest of what she put here is we are released from the curse of the law. No arguement there, we sure are. But it does not say we are released from obeying it. Yeshua saved us from condemnation of the law, He did not as He clearly states in
Matt. 5:17-19 release us from obeying it.

 

[Megatron]

avinu...i dont know id you have noticed this or not, but no one cares about your opinion on this. you have everyone is this thread against you. perhaps you should take it as a hint to stop beating a dead horse.

 

[NoahsMom]

Ill answer your question avinu....NO...the ten commandments have NOT been done away with.