Who or what is the arbiter of truth?
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It is Christian Chat, but certain heresies, and repeatedly pushing Roman Catholic dogmas,
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are not tolerated. Christian does not mean Roman Catholic. It is a protestant site.
Here is a thread the owner of the site created:
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I agree there are similarities or maybe we can call it the foreshadowing of things to come since this covenant was in the making from Genesis_3:15.
Not so sure as to the whole triple priesthood in the new covenant. I am not saying there is not ….it is just that there is no mention of high priests in the 7 church epistles (Romans -Thessalonians) Hebrews does give reference as it is addressed to the Jews of the dispersion and Acts only gives reference when speaking about those in a position. The 7 church epistles are completely void of any mention of high priests or priests.
I believe the reason for that is the temple is not a physical structure during this administration of grace. We →the body of Christ are the temple, the holy naos and when the epistles refer to the individual believer it calls us the tabernacle….The temple ceased to be a physical structure after Pentecost and it will revert back to the physical building after this administration ceases, which is when Christ returns in the air for the church of God (rapture) it is then the beginning of sorrows begins.
The Ministerial priesthood you mentioned are gift ministries of apostles, prophets, evangelist, pastor, and teachers these gift ministries are services to Gods people on a horizontal lever…. also in effect until the end of this administration.
The office of bishop is a perfect priest and shares in the high priesthood of Christ over the low priests, also Christ wore the seamless garment of the high priest, the body of Christ is the temple, we are his mystical body, the church is eternal cos it’s founder is eternal, why does scripture picture a temple, altar, ark etc in heaven? There is a distinct separation between the ministerial priesthood and that of the royal priesthood people
Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.
Matt 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, I send you. And Jn 17:18 I send you!
(The apostles with the same minisrty, power, and authority)
The apostles received the kingdom.
Lk 22:29
The apostles administer the kingdom. Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18
The apostles govern the church.
Matt 28:19-20
The apostles hold office.
Acts 1:15-20
The apostles have authority to forgive sins. Jn 20:23
Apostles are the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!
Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!
The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!
Three fold ministry,
Teaching:
Sanctification:
Governing:
Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22
Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.
Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.
Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments
God established order and peace and knowledge of truth in a hierarchical authority of Peter and the apostles!
There is a hierarchical authority in all that God has ordained!
hope this helps
Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.
Matt 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, I send you. And Jn 17:18 I send you!
(The apostles with the same minisrty, power, and authority)
The apostles received the kingdom.
Lk 22:29
The apostles administer the kingdom. Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18
The apostles govern the church.
Matt 28:19-20
The apostles hold office.
Acts 1:15-20
The apostles have authority to forgive sins. Jn 20:23
Apostles are the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!
Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!
The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!
Three fold ministry,
Teaching:
Sanctification:
Governing:
Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22
Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.
Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.
Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments
God established order and peace and knowledge of truth in a hierarchical authority of Peter and the apostles!
There is a hierarchical authority in all that God has ordained!
hope this helps
Bullhockey! Catholic dogma has clouded your understanding.
There is ONE and only ONE High Priest, Jesus Christ. Nothing in Scripture even hints that He shares this office with mere humans.
Believers in Him are all priests on an equal footing with each other. There is no such thing as "low priests".
More bullhockey! Nothing in Scripture supports this hogwash.
You have completely misinterpreted this verse. It distinguishes those who come to believe in Christ, and those who are called but do not come. The parables make that crystal clear.
"Them" refers to those outside the kingdom of God.
There is ONE and only ONE High Priest, Jesus Christ. Nothing in Scripture even hints that He shares this office with mere humans.
Believers in Him are all priests on an equal footing with each other. There is no such thing as "low priests".
More bullhockey! Nothing in Scripture supports this hogwash.
You have completely misinterpreted this verse. It distinguishes those who come to believe in Christ, and those who are called but do not come. The parables make that crystal clear.
"Them" refers to those outside the kingdom of God.
Thanks I read it.
The nature and purpose of a forum is the “free and open” exchange of ideas:
Heresy is no competition for the gospel of Jesus Christ!
Error is no competition for the truth!
His truth is marching on: Amen?
To ban someone for sharing their faith would be tantamount to spiritually burning them at the stake!
Thanks
The nature and purpose of a forum is the “free and open” exchange of ideas:
Heresy is no competition for the gospel of Jesus Christ!
Error is no competition for the truth!
His truth is marching on: Amen?
To ban someone for sharing their faith would be tantamount to spiritually burning them at the stake!
Thanks
Catholic dogma is truth revealed by Christ eph 4:5 the faith and Jude 1:3 and proposed for belief by holy mother church Matt 28:19
Whereby we are instructed Lk 1:4 acts 1:31 col 2:8 etc.
Christ shares everything with His church
There cannot be a high priest without low priest of the same order offering the same sacrifice
Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!
Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1
The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15
The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22
Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 Jn 15:1 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15
thanks
Whereby we are instructed Lk 1:4 acts 1:31 col 2:8 etc.
Christ shares everything with His church
There cannot be a high priest without low priest of the same order offering the same sacrifice
Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles! The apostles have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, so I send you!
Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1
The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15
The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22
Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 Jn 15:1 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15
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