Do you believe everything the Bible says?
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Your claim that all translations are the word of God is hogwash and impossible for they all contain different truths. You make God out to be a liar. I'm perplexed why you cannot understand this? You're an intelligent guy. You may not believe the KJV is pure and perfect, that's ok, but to believe all translations are equally the word of God? How?
I'm not sure what you mean by "faith is not the key"? But I'm glad that you add it to the conversation.
Feel free to elaborate.
I think that it's the prime difference between a believing with "head-knowledge" as the demons and Judas had/have, and the type of believing that Jesus' work is sufficient for cleansing us of our sin, justifying us before the Father, and more.
Feel free to elaborate.
I think that it's the prime difference between a believing with "head-knowledge" as the demons and Judas had/have, and the type of believing that Jesus' work is sufficient for cleansing us of our sin, justifying us before the Father, and more.
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The devils have more than head knowledge. That's why they tremble.
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Here is a biblical definition of what it means to believe:
Romans 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
One needs to be fully persuaded in God's promise of eternal life and his is also able to perform.
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Here is a biblical definition of what it means to believe:
Romans 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
One needs to be fully persuaded in God's promise of eternal life and his is also able to perform.
That is a good point that a scripture can plainly state a position and not be obscure and people will still ignore it and believe something else.
A lot of times the denominations win in this case by laying a blueprint as the truth concerning their beliefs so many follow that and do not question it and do not see the red flags in the Bible.
One church believes we are not saved by works and another we are saved by works.
It is not a contradiction but people will argue between the 2 and not trying to harmonize the 2 positions for they are both stated in the Bible.
We are not saved by works but by faith for that is all we can when we first confess Christ.
But when we receive the Spirit we have to have works of love to have faith apply in our life to be saved.
Because out of faith, hope, and charity, love in action, works, charity is the greatest, and faith works by love.
Which is why Paul said if they do not have charity they are nothing.
And James said if they do not have charity by pointing out caring about the needs of other people then their faith is dead.
And Paul said the love of money is the root of all evil for it neglects the poor and needy for love is the fulfilling of the law, which any person that goes by their wants neglects the poor and needy and is not love which Paul said they have erred from the faith.
So Paul and James say the same thing but many people argue between them.
John says to do not love in word neither in tongue but in deeds, works, and truth.
We have to have works of love for faith to be active in our life to be saved, and love can only be done in works for it to apply in a person's life.
But many people that believe they are not saved by works try to carry that attitude after they have confessed Christ and then they enjoy sin, and money, and worldly entertainment which is not love and believe they are right with God.
Which also goes along with their attitude that they are alright despite living in sin.
But the Bible says that some have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof, and are ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth for they will not allow the Spirit to lead them because they want to enjoy sin and then believe they are saved.
Which these people would fall victim to that which the believe that they are not saved by works causes many to fall victim to that and they were not saved to begin with.
Because if people do not believe their sins affect their relationship with God then when they confess Christ they will not truly turn away from sin but will only repent of their past sins but still want to pursue sin.
People will argue millennial reign and not millennial reign even though the Bible says that the LORD shall be King over all the Earth and it that day there shall be one LORD and His name one, and the heathen that the LORD rules over has to go up year after year to Jerusalem and worship the LORD and keep the feast of Tabernacles.
And the Bible says the knowledge of the LORD shall cover the whole Earth.
Which on Earth the heathen will not acknowledge any god or religious figure but Jesus and this has not happened in the past.
And it cannot be talking about the new earth for there will be no heathen there.
But some people will still say there is no millennial reign.
People will argue OSAS and it being not true if a person does not act Christlike.
Argue about a trinity or one God with no distinction of persons.
Argue about baptism for salvation and baptism for salvation.
Argue about Jesus and Paul acting as if they have opposing beliefs which this one is a weird one to believe because of course they would not have opposing positions.
Argue about the time of the resurrection even though the Bible says it cannot happen until there is a falling away first which is the condition of the world in response to the Gospel which they stopped the preaching of it on a world wide scale, and the man of sin claims to be God.
Which by them stopping the preaching of the Gospel of Christ and the believe in a personal God it caused the man of sin to rule over them.
Which the new age movement will cause this to happen which they believe people are still evolving to be spiritual, and Jesus is an ascended master in the occult, and there is no personal God, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher.
But they will still believe it will happen before that time the nations come together and the antichrist rules the world.
They argue about baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and baptizing in Jesus' name.
But Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not names but titles and it states name as in singular.
And Jesus said He came in His Father's name, and the Son inherited the name from the Father, and the Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.
And Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans were all baptized in the name of Jesus, and those that were baptized by John had to be baptized in Jesus' name.
The Bible says there is no other name by which we are saved but by Jesus' name, and everything we do in word and in deed we do in Jesus' name.
But some people still want to believe we baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
It seems like some people that claim Christianity like the denominations and the divisions in Christianity so they can have the attitude out of all the denominations that claim truth, we have the truth, we are the winners, which they do it out of arrogance.
Because there is a lot of people that like to argue their position, and be sarcastic, and belittle the people they are debating with which would only happen when they have an arrogant attitude.
A lot of times the denominations win in this case by laying a blueprint as the truth concerning their beliefs so many follow that and do not question it and do not see the red flags in the Bible.
One church believes we are not saved by works and another we are saved by works.
It is not a contradiction but people will argue between the 2 and not trying to harmonize the 2 positions for they are both stated in the Bible.
We are not saved by works but by faith for that is all we can when we first confess Christ.
But when we receive the Spirit we have to have works of love to have faith apply in our life to be saved.
Because out of faith, hope, and charity, love in action, works, charity is the greatest, and faith works by love.
Which is why Paul said if they do not have charity they are nothing.
And James said if they do not have charity by pointing out caring about the needs of other people then their faith is dead.
And Paul said the love of money is the root of all evil for it neglects the poor and needy for love is the fulfilling of the law, which any person that goes by their wants neglects the poor and needy and is not love which Paul said they have erred from the faith.
So Paul and James say the same thing but many people argue between them.
John says to do not love in word neither in tongue but in deeds, works, and truth.
We have to have works of love for faith to be active in our life to be saved, and love can only be done in works for it to apply in a person's life.
But many people that believe they are not saved by works try to carry that attitude after they have confessed Christ and then they enjoy sin, and money, and worldly entertainment which is not love and believe they are right with God.
Which also goes along with their attitude that they are alright despite living in sin.
But the Bible says that some have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof, and are ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth for they will not allow the Spirit to lead them because they want to enjoy sin and then believe they are saved.
Which these people would fall victim to that which the believe that they are not saved by works causes many to fall victim to that and they were not saved to begin with.
Because if people do not believe their sins affect their relationship with God then when they confess Christ they will not truly turn away from sin but will only repent of their past sins but still want to pursue sin.
People will argue millennial reign and not millennial reign even though the Bible says that the LORD shall be King over all the Earth and it that day there shall be one LORD and His name one, and the heathen that the LORD rules over has to go up year after year to Jerusalem and worship the LORD and keep the feast of Tabernacles.
And the Bible says the knowledge of the LORD shall cover the whole Earth.
Which on Earth the heathen will not acknowledge any god or religious figure but Jesus and this has not happened in the past.
And it cannot be talking about the new earth for there will be no heathen there.
But some people will still say there is no millennial reign.
People will argue OSAS and it being not true if a person does not act Christlike.
Argue about a trinity or one God with no distinction of persons.
Argue about baptism for salvation and baptism for salvation.
Argue about Jesus and Paul acting as if they have opposing beliefs which this one is a weird one to believe because of course they would not have opposing positions.
Argue about the time of the resurrection even though the Bible says it cannot happen until there is a falling away first which is the condition of the world in response to the Gospel which they stopped the preaching of it on a world wide scale, and the man of sin claims to be God.
Which by them stopping the preaching of the Gospel of Christ and the believe in a personal God it caused the man of sin to rule over them.
Which the new age movement will cause this to happen which they believe people are still evolving to be spiritual, and Jesus is an ascended master in the occult, and there is no personal God, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher.
But they will still believe it will happen before that time the nations come together and the antichrist rules the world.
They argue about baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and baptizing in Jesus' name.
But Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not names but titles and it states name as in singular.
And Jesus said He came in His Father's name, and the Son inherited the name from the Father, and the Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.
And Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans were all baptized in the name of Jesus, and those that were baptized by John had to be baptized in Jesus' name.
The Bible says there is no other name by which we are saved but by Jesus' name, and everything we do in word and in deed we do in Jesus' name.
But some people still want to believe we baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
It seems like some people that claim Christianity like the denominations and the divisions in Christianity so they can have the attitude out of all the denominations that claim truth, we have the truth, we are the winners, which they do it out of arrogance.
Because there is a lot of people that like to argue their position, and be sarcastic, and belittle the people they are debating with which would only happen when they have an arrogant attitude.
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“I believe that we all need the Holy Spirit to understand Scripture.”
“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”
2 Peter 1:19-21 KJV
We have scripture because thats what God has actually said by his spirit to mankind man is unique we hear and understand , expression of word like no other creature God made
we , like God , communicate with words . Gods word is his spirit communicating with mankind
The scripture is the voice of the holy spirit d if someone wants to understand scripture they will need to accept and agree with the conclusions in the New Testament and let those truths correct the fallacy that in our mind and heart about God and really life itself
When we want to have a good understanding of any subject in this world mankind studies and dissects and learns everything we can about the subject math , science , economics ,
when it comes to the gospel we don’t want to do that part , we want to just make our own answers up and say it’s faith
if we treated the gospel and the Bible like it is the most important thing we could ever learn and understand , a subject that promises eternal life to we who are bound to die , promises to save our everlasting soul from a terrible fate because of sin
at that point we would just start learning what the Bible says and believing what the Holy Ghost has said since mans beginning.
The reason the gospel is sent into all the world and offers salvation is because that is what God has said by his spirit pertaining to man’s salvation . If we just would hear what Jesus is saying the understanding starts to restructure our thinking his way
when we can accept the things he saying is when we will understand it
Things like this is the central idea of the gospel
“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you;
good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.
For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
Luke 6:35-38 KJV
to accept Jesus first and accept that he is who said this is to accept and begin to understand God and salvation it’s all about this
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
The Holy Spirit preached the gospel
It’s going to be that until the end of the world that is what the holt spirit said to all people it’s what Jesus said believing Jesus word leads to understanding his word
“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”
2 Peter 1:19-21 KJV
We have scripture because thats what God has actually said by his spirit to mankind man is unique we hear and understand , expression of word like no other creature God made
we , like God , communicate with words . Gods word is his spirit communicating with mankind
The scripture is the voice of the holy spirit d if someone wants to understand scripture they will need to accept and agree with the conclusions in the New Testament and let those truths correct the fallacy that in our mind and heart about God and really life itself
When we want to have a good understanding of any subject in this world mankind studies and dissects and learns everything we can about the subject math , science , economics ,
when it comes to the gospel we don’t want to do that part , we want to just make our own answers up and say it’s faith
if we treated the gospel and the Bible like it is the most important thing we could ever learn and understand , a subject that promises eternal life to we who are bound to die , promises to save our everlasting soul from a terrible fate because of sin
at that point we would just start learning what the Bible says and believing what the Holy Ghost has said since mans beginning.
The reason the gospel is sent into all the world and offers salvation is because that is what God has said by his spirit pertaining to man’s salvation . If we just would hear what Jesus is saying the understanding starts to restructure our thinking his way
when we can accept the things he saying is when we will understand it
Things like this is the central idea of the gospel
“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you;
good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.
For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
Luke 6:35-38 KJV
to accept Jesus first and accept that he is who said this is to accept and begin to understand God and salvation it’s all about this
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
The Holy Spirit preached the gospel
It’s going to be that until the end of the world that is what the holt spirit said to all people it’s what Jesus said believing Jesus word leads to understanding his word
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The preface makes no difference. I’ve read it many times.
Do we always know how God might be using us? Of course not. God often uses people, both believers and non-believers, to carry out His purposes without them knowing it. Did king Nebuchadnezzar know that he was God's servant being used of God to carry out His purposes? (See Jeremiah 25:9; 27:6; 43:10)
Remember, God says: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? ...even God who calleth those things which be not as though they were." (1 Cor. 1:19-20; Romans 4:17)
Do we always know how God might be using us? Of course not. God often uses people, both believers and non-believers, to carry out His purposes without them knowing it. Did king Nebuchadnezzar know that he was God's servant being used of God to carry out His purposes? (See Jeremiah 25:9; 27:6; 43:10)
Remember, God says: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? ...even God who calleth those things which be not as though they were." (1 Cor. 1:19-20; Romans 4:17)
I do not believe the angels had enough knowledge about God which caused them to rebel for they did not know how great God is like people know by reading the Bible.
If the angels had the knowledge that God is all powerful, and an omnipresent Spirit that dwarfs them by a tremendous amount why would some of the angels rebel with that knowledge when they would know they did stand any chance against God.
God had to have a visible image of Himself to have a relationship with the angels which the Bible says God was manifest in the flesh seen of angels for angels cannot see God unless He is in a visible manifestation.
Which it would seem like God would of had an angelic body to have a visible relationship to the angels or another type of body but the angels did not know that God is omnipresent but probably an angelic body.
So Lucifer thought is that all there is to God having an appearance like our appearance for he did not know God was omnipresent and he thought he could overthrow God along with other angels.
Also creation did not happen yet so the angels did not get to see the powerfulness of God by creation a feat the angels know they could not duplicate which would testify that God was more powerful than them for creation did not happen until after the rebellion for this creation is made for humans.
When the angels rebelled and got kicked out if the 3rd heaven and could only dwell in the 1st and 2nd heaven they knew God was more powerful than them and they could not defeat Him and so now they tremble because they know God is greater and that they will also be punished.
A saint knows how great God is by reading the Bible but it is not the same situation as the angels to not have knowledge of that because with the saints it is based on faith but with the angels it was not based on faith for they were with God.
If the angels had the knowledge that God is all powerful, and an omnipresent Spirit that dwarfs them by a tremendous amount why would some of the angels rebel with that knowledge when they would know they did stand any chance against God.
God had to have a visible image of Himself to have a relationship with the angels which the Bible says God was manifest in the flesh seen of angels for angels cannot see God unless He is in a visible manifestation.
Which it would seem like God would of had an angelic body to have a visible relationship to the angels or another type of body but the angels did not know that God is omnipresent but probably an angelic body.
So Lucifer thought is that all there is to God having an appearance like our appearance for he did not know God was omnipresent and he thought he could overthrow God along with other angels.
Also creation did not happen yet so the angels did not get to see the powerfulness of God by creation a feat the angels know they could not duplicate which would testify that God was more powerful than them for creation did not happen until after the rebellion for this creation is made for humans.
When the angels rebelled and got kicked out if the 3rd heaven and could only dwell in the 1st and 2nd heaven they knew God was more powerful than them and they could not defeat Him and so now they tremble because they know God is greater and that they will also be punished.
A saint knows how great God is by reading the Bible but it is not the same situation as the angels to not have knowledge of that because with the saints it is based on faith but with the angels it was not based on faith for they were with God.
Let me give a for instance of what I was talking about. There is truth to be known in the following passage.
Luke 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
How many did the Lord send out? seventy or seventy two as other versions state? What’s the truth? And yes, this is not a salvation issue. It’s a truth issue. A faithful witness cannot lie.
Luke 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
How many did the Lord send out? seventy or seventy two as other versions state? What’s the truth? And yes, this is not a salvation issue. It’s a truth issue. A faithful witness cannot lie.
I believe a recent poll of Evangelical Christians, showed that some 62% do not believe "all" of the Bible. These individuals believe that many of the historical events of the Bible are not to be taken literally and are stories conveying a meaning or idea. Very sad!
It reminds me of the ole' bumper sticker that said: "GOD SAID IT - I BELIEVE IT - THAT SETTLES IT!"
This is a really bad statement. In Scripture we have what God said. Therefore it is settled. Whether one believes it or not, is totally irrelevant. That bumper sticker should have said: "GOD SIAD IT - THAT SETTLES IT!"
It is in man's mind that something has to be believed for it to be true. Purely "subjective" reasoning. The "Objective Truth" of God needs no confirmation from the mind of man. Only understanding, which only God through the Spirit can provide.
It reminds me of the ole' bumper sticker that said: "GOD SAID IT - I BELIEVE IT - THAT SETTLES IT!"
This is a really bad statement. In Scripture we have what God said. Therefore it is settled. Whether one believes it or not, is totally irrelevant. That bumper sticker should have said: "GOD SIAD IT - THAT SETTLES IT!"
It is in man's mind that something has to be believed for it to be true. Purely "subjective" reasoning. The "Objective Truth" of God needs no confirmation from the mind of man. Only understanding, which only God through the Spirit can provide.
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