Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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Do you think these disciples were saved? They had knowledge but walked away from Christ. It isn't knowledge that makes the difference, it is faith, and faith comes only as a fruit of the Spirit through becoming born again,
You keep ignoring the eternal part of eternal salvation.
[Jhn 6:64-66 KJV]
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
You keep ignoring the eternal part of eternal salvation.
[Jhn 6:64-66 KJV]
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
You’ve muddied the waters without answering the question.
You say a born again child of God can lose their Salvation.
You also say that fallen, former child of God can repent again.
So the question is, does that former child of God, that lost their Salvation and sonship, need to be re-born again again?
You say a born again child of God can lose their Salvation.
You also say that fallen, former child of God can repent again.
So the question is, does that former child of God, that lost their Salvation and sonship, need to be re-born again again?
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Amen. 
For me when Jesus said he will lose none of those the Father gives him that's the end of the story. No debate.
God knew us before the womb. I cannot accept he would not know the journey of a lifetime those he calls to himself would take. Be we one who loses faith for a time and then return or whatever.
He knows the number of hairs on my head. How would he not know everything to come?
He mistakenly puts me in his grace and salvation and then has to retract all that transformed me to one who is born again?
Not possible.
God is Sovereign. Man's will cannot trump that.
Amen?
For me when Jesus said he will lose none of those the Father gives him that's the end of the story. No debate. God knew us before the womb. I cannot accept he would not know the journey of a lifetime those he calls to himself would take. Be we one who loses faith for a time and then return or whatever.
He knows the number of hairs on my head. How would he not know everything to come?
He mistakenly puts me in his grace and salvation and then has to retract all that transformed me to one who is born again?
Not possible.
God is Sovereign. Man's will cannot trump that.
Amen?
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No it doesn't. God is Sovereign. He knew that one before the womb. And God knew what he was doing when he called them to his grace.
Thinking someone can lose what God transformed about their nature when he made them born again puts Jesus sacrifice to shame. Because he died to seal that salvation,redemption,born again covenant his ministry described. Eternal life is eternal salvation from the second death.
If that's not true as those who insist salvation is not eternal, then Jesus sealed nothing.And his ministry was false.
That's what is being said by those who speak against God's eternal saving grace covenant.
And that is a true shameful falsity
Thinking someone can lose what God transformed about their nature when he made them born again puts Jesus sacrifice to shame. Because he died to seal that salvation,redemption,born again covenant his ministry described. Eternal life is eternal salvation from the second death.
If that's not true as those who insist salvation is not eternal, then Jesus sealed nothing.And his ministry was false.
That's what is being said by those who speak against God's eternal saving grace covenant.
And that is a true shameful falsity
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Do you all work at being obvious, or is it a natural talent?
No, I don't think God created anyone for Hell - Satan, Adam and Eve caused that from the fall:
[Rom 5:19 KJV] 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Because of that, unless God had chosen them to salvation and justified them, they remain in dishonor. Those in dishonor will be judged
by God but that is because of Satan, Adam and Eve, not God.
No, I don't think God created anyone for Hell - Satan, Adam and Eve caused that from the fall:
[Rom 5:19 KJV] 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Because of that, unless God had chosen them to salvation and justified them, they remain in dishonor. Those in dishonor will be judged
by God but that is because of Satan, Adam and Eve, not God.