Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

[brightfame52]

Its been a false concept that has prospered in the religous world, that God loves and desires the salvation of all mankind, but thats a falsehood perpetrated by you know who, the father of lies Jn 8:44

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

The Truth is God has always only Loved and desired purposed the Salvation of a Elect remnant of people out of mankind, they're called a remnant according to the election of grace Rom 11:5

Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace

Thats the principle of Salvation by Grace, its designed only for a remnant !

Ezra 9:8

And now for a little space grace hath been shewed from the Lord our God, to leave us a remnant to escape, and to give us a nail in his holy place, that our God may lighten our eyes, and give us a little reviving in our bondage

 

[Underwhosewings]

But now He offers eternal life to all humanity through the Gospel

May I ask,
If every name is already in the book of life the why does he need to offer eternal life?

 

[Nehemiah6]

May I ask, If every name is already in the book of life the why does he need to offer eternal life?

Because without repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ, no sinner may be justified by grace and receive the GIFT of eternal life.

Therefore this was the core of the Gospel preached by Paul: And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house, Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. (Acts 20:20,21)

 

[VARob]

Its been a false concept that has prospered in the religous world, that God loves and desires the salvation of all mankind, but thats a falsehood perpetrated by you know who, the father of lies Jn 8:44

1 Tim 2:4 Who [God] will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Its been a false concept that has prospered in the religous world, that God loves and desires the salvation of all mankind, but thats a falsehood perpetrated by you know who, the father of lies Jn 8:44

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

1. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not 1Tim

2. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 2 Pet

3. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John

4. For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people

5. For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe

6. Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel? Ezk

7. For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord God; so turn, and live.” Ezk

8. But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, !!!! Christ died for us. Rom.

9. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Rom

10. “Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. Is.

11. Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Rom

12. Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me. Rev

13, For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. Rom

14. Whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. John

15. So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him. Acts

16. The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, Acts

17. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” Acts

18. When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” John

19. I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.” John

20. It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all. 1 Tim

21. We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. 1 John

22. “But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!”


I am stunned that anyone would make such a claim. A falsehood from the devil?! Surely there is an honest debater here that can look at these verses and know it has nothing to do with influence from the devil. My soul, I would be afraid to make such claim!!

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

1 Tim 2:4 Who [God] will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

No, overwhelming amount of verses to prove what "bright" said was wrong. I posted a handful too. Just utterly wrong. smh

 

[VARob]

No, overwhelming amount of verses to prove what "bright" said was wrong. I posted a handful too. Just utterly wrong. smh

Yep.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

1 Tim 2:4 Who [God] will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Amen! And this is Exactly why I believe that God "Wrote ALL names" in
His Book of Life, so that no one will have an 'excuse' to blame Him that
He "predestinated" them to Eternal Condemnation.

No, He "blotted them out" when they "died in UNbelief" Rejecting His
SON's Precious Blood, and Gracious Offer of:

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The Truth is God has always only Loved and desired purposed the Salvation of a Elect remnant of people out of mankind, they're called a remnant according to the election of grace Rom 11:5

Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace

Thats the principle of Salvation by Grace, its designed only for a remnant !

YOU are not the remnant, the remnant is the Jews.


I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”[a]? 4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[b] 5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

Ezra 9:8

And now for a little space grace hath been shewed from the Lord our God, to leave us a remnant to escape, and to give us a nail in his holy place, that our God may lighten our eyes, and give us a little reviving in our bondage

Talking to the Jews, not you.

 

[brightfame52]

1 Tim 2:4 Who [God] will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Doesnt change anything I stated.

 

[brightfame52]

1. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not 1Tim

2. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 2 Pet

3. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John

4. For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people

5. For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe

6. Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel? Ezk

7. For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord God; so turn, and live.” Ezk

8. But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, !!!! Christ died for us. Rom.

9. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Rom

10. “Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. Is.

11. Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Rom

12. Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me. Rev

13, For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. Rom

14. Whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. John

15. So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him. Acts

16. The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, Acts

17. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” Acts

18. When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” John

19. I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.” John

20. It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all. 1 Tim

21. We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. 1 John

22. “But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!”


I am stunned that anyone would make such a claim. A falsehood from the devil?! Surely there is an honest debater here that can look at these verses and know it has nothing to do with influence from the devil. My soul, I would be afraid to make such claim!!

Nothing changes, its a falsehood to tell people God loves everyone and Christ died to save everyone.

 

[brightfame52]

YOU are not the remnant, the remnant is the Jews.


I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”[a]? 4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[b] 5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!





Talking to the Jews, not you.

Everyone who is saved was part of the remnant of mankind. The Gentiles were only a remnant Acts 15:14-18

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

There is a jewish remnant and a gentile remnant, which constitute the whole remnant of the election of grace.

 

[VARob]

Doesnt change anything I stated.

You claimed that God does not want everyone to be saved. The Bible says he does.

 

[brightfame52]

You claimed that God does not want everyone to be saved. The Bible says he does.

No it doesn't I'm afraid you are deceived

 

[VARob]

No it doesn't [say that God wants everyone to be saved] I'm afraid you are deceived

1 Tim 2:4 Who [God] will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

I can read what's written. Can you?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Everyone who is saved was part of the remnant of mankind. The Gentiles were only a remnant Acts 15:14-18

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

There is a jewish remnant and a gentile remnant, which constitute the whole remnant of the election of grace.

You quoted Romans 11, that is speaking of the Jewish remnant.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Nothing changes, its a falsehood to tell people God loves everyone and Christ died to save everyone.

So you're flat out ignoring every Scripture that is saying the opposite to what you just said. Got it.

 

[Underwhosewings]

No it doesn't I'm afraid you are deceived

2 Peter 3:9 KJV
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

 

[brightfame52]

1 Tim 2:4 Who [God] will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

I can read what's written. Can you?

You can read all you want, its understanding what one reads that is vital.

 

[brightfame52]

You quoted Romans 11, that is speaking of the Jewish remnant.

I know what Rom 11 is about. Salvation is by Grace election regardless of ethnicity, do you deny that ? Or do you believe in Salvation by Grace due to ones ethnicity, a fleshly bases ?