Technological Signs relating to Christ’s Coming are being fulfilled.

[iamsoandso]

Every instance of 'day-of-the-Lord' in the OT is referring to the very same 'day'.

Please see:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Second_Coming.html

Every 'day of' and 'coming of' instance in the table are referring to the very same 'day' - the Second Coming of Christ.

In the page from your site you listed Zephaniah 1:7 because it words it the same in this Scripture do you think "in his sight"(6440) is the same event? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/hosea/6-2.htm

 

[GaryA]

BTW....70AD is neither the AoD nor part of the 70 week prophecy calculus. Numerically 70AD fits.....nowhere.

Correct - however, reference to it is present in prophecy - most notably, in the Daniel 9:24-27 prophecy and in the Olivet Discourse.

 

[GaryA]

In the page from your site you listed Zephaniah 1:7 because it words it the same in this Scripture do you think "in his sight"(6440) is the same event? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/hosea/6-2.htm

Are you referring to the 'Day of the Lord' being 1000 years?

3rd day = millennium ?

 

[iamsoandso]

Are you referring to the 'Day of the Lord' being 1000 years?

3rd day = millennium ?

Well in the spirit of the post I've made in the last few pages of this thread my instinct is yes,,,but,,, In curiosity I wondered if you included Zephaniah 1:7 because you felt it meant the same thing as "Day of the Lord" with it's usage of the word #6440 and wondered why Hosea 6:2 was not also included in your list when it also uses #6440.

 

[GaryA]

Well in the spirit of the post I've made in the last few pages of this thread my instinct is yes,,,but,,, In curiosity I wondered if you included Zephaniah 1:7 because you felt it meant the same thing as "Day of the Lord" with it's usage of the word #6440 and wondered why Hosea 6:2 was not also included in your list when it also uses #6440.

Oh, I see... (I think)

Are you talking about this - from the web page? :

This phrase is used in Zephaniah 1:7 along with "day of the LORD":

"the presence of the Lord GOD" - H06440 paniym H00136 'Adonay H03069 Yhovih

( Because it is not "day of the Lord GOD", it is not included in the table. )

Zephaniah 1:7 is included in the table because the phrase 'day of the LORD' is present in the verse.

The three green lines above are saying that the phrase 'the presence of the Lord GOD' was not included in the table because [see above].

In the context of all of this, 'Day of the Lord' is an 'event'; however, the word 'H06440' (itself) does not represent an 'event'.

The determining factor for "what is in the list" is the presence of the 'day of' and 'coming' phrases ('event phrase' in the table) in English.

 

[Beckie]

Good succinct pointed refutation right there. Likewise there are hundreds of other passages that cannot have possibly come to pass.
BTW....70AD is neither the AoD nor part of the 70 week prophecy calculus. Numerically 70AD fits.....nowhere.

70 fits after 69 God knows how to count.

 

[Beckie]

And more to your point, the final Bar Kokhba revolt occurred in about 136AD. The nation Israel was still intact and in the land even then, despite having no Temple.

Was this land the land given by God to Abraham?

 

[HeIsHere]

At a glance - I would say these verses are talking about future events - yes.

But then - I am not a preterist.

They are not.

It just the lack of an objective lens and the result of blinders.

 

[cv5]

Are you referring to the 'Day of the Lord' being 1000 years?

3rd day = millennium ?

Clearly. Preterists (and their ilk) notoriously fail to interpret these passages in any sensible cogent manner. Contrarily, the futurists/premillennialists have NO problem here. And frankly, anywhere else in Scripture. Nobody has the entirety of Bible buttoned up better than the futurists/premillennialists. Its not even close.

And ultimately, the preterists/amillennialists dogma demands a full and final end to the nation Israel. Which, given history since 70AD up to this present day......is utterly absurd on its face. Because far from being destroyed, Israel has been DIVINELY PRESERVED. Precisely as God has promised them time and time again. And they have been "pre-gathered" distinctly for the purpose of fulfilling END TIME PROPHECY, concomitantly Glorifying the God of Israel.

Hos 5:15
I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.
Hos 6:1
Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
Hos 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

 

[cv5]

At a glance

Bro.....I eat and drink these passages. Reverently. I never merely give them "a glance"......

 

[cv5]

They are not.

What is easier to do? Saying "They are not"?
Or actually proving it by supplying vast quantities of Bible passages? As if proving your case as in a court of law?

Baseless opinions are a dime a dozen.

 

[HeIsHere]

Does not seem to be relevant to 'this generation' and the events that will occur. The siege of Jerusalem does not even begin to compare to the destruction that will 'soon' happen in the end-times, such as World War Three. For insights, I recommend the book of Jerimiah.

I would recommend the Matthew 24.

Jesus is very clear. The temple will be destroyed was a sign.

siege of Jerusalem does not even begin to compare

Tell that to the Jews who were eating their babies and blood flowed like a wine press.

He is speaking to his disciples plain and simple what to look for.

 

[HeIsHere]

What is easier to do? Saying "They are not"?
Or actually proving it by supplying vast quantities of Bible passages? As if proving your case as if in a court of law?

Baseless opinions are a dime a dozen.

It is not my opinion, I trust Jesus both as Savior, Lord and Prophet. Futurism makes him a failed/false prophet, and complicates the language.

And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast trench about thee, and compass thee in on every side, and shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
(Luke 19:41-44)

This has already happened! Jesus is not weeping over some future city.

 

[tourist]

I would recommend the Matthew 24.

Jesus is very clear. The temple will be destroyed was a sign.



Tell that to the Jews who were eating their babies and blood flowed like a wine press.

He is speaking to his disciples plain and simple what to look for.

The temple was destroyed as a sign that Jesus would rise from the dead after 3 days. Nothing in scripture says that this was a sign for 'this generation' to witness the end-time prophesies that would 'soon' take place.

 

[HeIsHere]

The Scriptures I gave were because several see the words soon,at hand,near ect. to mean what an man might see but looking at those Scriptures it would be easy to access that if they were written between 800 bce and 500bce and Jesus wasn't born until around the 1st century ad and the siege of Jerusalem took place in ad70 soon, near, at hand the way God gave it to those Prophets would be approaching a thousand years in it's self.

As towards the usage of soon,near ect. in the Revelation referring to a short time span as an man would see it or if it means a time span similar to the length of time of when those Old Testament Prophets received them and AD70 it would depend on when and how they were fulfilled(or not). I am quite patient though and if you see them as already being fulfilled at some time in the past I am all ears if you can explain to me their fulfillment's.

I'm not sure if you have ever read the historical writings of Josephus but if not here is a portion I have been working with for several years now and have ask a multitude of preterits about who they were taught to have received the mark in Revelation 13 or who they were taught were those who were killed because they refused to worship that image. http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/war-2.html

Here is the issue though in that in Wars 2 Josephus gives the historical accounts stretching from Herod to Nero and Vespasion over about 69 years prior to the siege of Jerusalem. Now in Revelation 13 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/13.htm (if this is fulfilled) then someone would have received the beast mark to buy and sell with and someone would have worshiped the image of the beast. Now here is the problem though in that all across those 69 years those Jews did not worship Romes images(see wars 2) in fact instead of seeing the Caesars of Rome as Gods(pious) they were impious instead. In the issue of buying and selling with the beast money the Jews refused to do so and minted their own https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish_Revolt_coinage and so they did not use Romes(the beast?) money. Anyway the issue remains in that in preterism all these things they say are already fulfilled by someone but it doesn't look as if it was by the Jews across those 69 years leading up to the destruction of the Temple. Anyway if you or any other preterist has another option as to who did fulfill these things I will listen.

I think to see the beast as Rome is probably a mistake.

Rome granted this unusual privilege of one of their subjugated nations minting its own coinage, with the one stipulation that the pagan images of the demi-god Herakles and the inscription “Tyre the holy and inviolable” that were part of the original Tyrian shekel would continue to be stamped on the Jerusalem-produced coins.

These were abominable images and inscriptions forbidden by God ever since Deuteronomy 7:25-26.

 

[HeIsHere]

The temple was destroyed as a sign that Jesus would rise from the dead after 3 days. Nothing in scripture says that this was a sign for 'this generation' to witness the end-time prophesies that would 'soon' take place.

Jesus was speaking directly to his disciples and he was speaking about the temple which they had just departed.

He was actually pointing to the temple.

24 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”


Tell me how does it even make sense for Him to speak about the physical temple they were standing near and then switch to 2000 years in the future.

 

[cv5]

At a glance - I would say these verses are talking about future events - yes.

Anyways......good call there Gary. No honest rational person could think otherwise.

 

[HeIsHere]

At a glance - I would say these verses are talking about future events - yes.

But then - I am not a preterist.

Future from when they were prophesied, yes.

So Jesus came and did not fulfill all the prophecies, that again is illogical.

 

[cv5]

Tell me how does it even make sense for Him to speak about the physical temple they were standing near and then switch to 2000 years in the future.

Become a futurist and find out. As I said before, futurists/premillennialist have all the right answers.
These passages are a walk in the park for us. No problema.

 

[Beckie]

Jesus was speaking directly to his disciples and he was speaking about the temple which they had just departed.

He was actually pointing to the temple.

24 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”


Tell me how does it even make sense for Him to speak about the physical temple they were standing near and then switch to 2000 years in the future.

Those events were future to them. Future to that generation. History to today